Bye George!!

deisedude · 08-02-2010 04:26PM

Choke wrote: »

Sorry, but that is so wrong.

He was elected as a TD by the people of his constituency. There is nothing in the constitution that says he has to wait three years before he gets a say. He represents them the second he is elected.

He ran on the basis that he would get a say in running the country (and FG made it clear that they wanted his experience), so he naturally resigned when that turned out not to be the case.

Richard Bruton is far more qualified for dealing with finance than Lee. Lee is only a face off the telly and he got found out when he went into politics for the spoofer that he is. He has let down everyone in his constituency and wasted taxpayers money on having to run another by election. It will be a joke if RTE leave him back

brianthebard · 08-02-2010 04:28PM

Choke wrote: »

Sorry, but that is so wrong.

He was elected as a TD by the people of his constituency. There is nothing in the constitution that says he has to wait three years before he gets a say. He represents them the second he is elected.

Did he run for election to the position of finance spokesperson? He ran to become an ordinary TD, and clearly was too egotistical to carry on that job or accept the responsibility it entailed.

Choke · 08-02-2010 04:30PM

brianthebard wrote: »

Did he run for election to the position of finance spokesperson? He ran to become an ordinary TD, and clearly was too egotistical to carry on that job or accept the responsibility it entailed.

If you think back, his entire campaign was about fixing the economy, about how his expertise could help matters.
If he is not in a position to utilise that expertise, then he is right to resign.

laugh · 08-02-2010 04:31PM

What a massive fuck you to the people who voted him in. From someone like Seamus Brennan, who helped break the Aer Lingus monopoly, to that wimp.

no1beemerfan · 08-02-2010 04:33PM

I think its not going to do Fine Gael any good. He should have been on the front benches since day one. As the way things were I'd forgotten he was in Fine Gael! Doesn't bode well for aul Mr. Kenny me thinks!

deisedude · 08-02-2010 04:33PM

Choke wrote: »

If you think back, his entire campaign was about fixing the economy, about how his expertise could help matters.
If he is not in a position to utilise that expertise, then he is right to resign.

He also stated he didn't mind being a backbencher and didn't expect a front bench position straight away but we all know that is horse**** now

Choke · 08-02-2010 04:39PM

deisedude wrote: »

He also stated he didn't mind being a backbencher and didn't expect a front bench position straight away but we all know that is horse**** now

He didn't resign because he didn't get a front bench position, he resigned because he wasn't getting a chance to give any input.

It's an open secret that even in FF, backbenchers have huge input behind the scenes. They have large meetings where they can question the current ministers about policy, and they will often lobby on certain issues behind the scenes, presenting a united front in public.

If Fine Gael aren't doing that (and they probably aren't considering how small they were post-2002), then something is wrong in the party.

Kurtosis · 08-02-2010 04:39PM

deisedude wrote: »

He also stated he didn't mind being a backbencher and didn't expect a front bench position straight away but we all know that is horse**** now

Well he did turn down a front bench position that was offered to him to try and stop him from resigning. He could have taken that with no one being any the wiser, but he refused. So doesn't really seem like "horse****" at all.

From what I've heard of the man, sounds like he wanted to be a genuine part of the political process (even if it was a small part) while the party only wanted him as a big name, crowd puller and general way of promoting the party. When he discovered this clash of intentions, he went.

ejmaztec · 08-02-2010 05:23PM

DamoDLK wrote: »

No, sorry, the difference is that they're still there, doing what they can.

I will not defend the actions/inactions of reining politicians this is for another forum/thread and is in my opinion OT

Ok, one or two of them might not be pretending.:P

Snickers Man · 08-02-2010 06:08PM

Choke wrote: »

This has to be the end of Kenny.

If FG can't win an election at this point in time then they may as well do a PD and give up.

The thought of that prick Kenny as Taoiseach is not palatable, but allowing the current shower back into office after what they've done would be downright disloyal.

It's a pity that FG have about as much talent between them as the Italian rugby team.

techdiver · 08-02-2010 06:10PM

brianthebard wrote: »

agree 100%, just because he had some sort of 'profile' before being elected did not entitle him to be seen as a senior member of the party from day one. What did he think would happen, he'd get elected once and bump Richard Bruton out of the finance spokeperson position? Reeks of petulance.

Because closed shop political nepotism has served us well in the past?:rolleyes:

cock robin · 08-02-2010 06:16PM

He did right. He was elected on the basis that he could help resolve the economic problems the country faced and ended up being touted as a new scalp for FG. They have let themselves down badly and with any luck George will get back into journalism in some way shape or form.

VERYinterested · 08-02-2010 06:20PM

So his CV will read that he kind of sorted out some clamping company that was acting illegally in Churchtown.

brianthebard · 08-02-2010 06:46PM

Snickers Man wrote: »

The thought of that prick Kenny as Taoiseach is not palatable

Why is he a prick? I know this isn't the politics forum so you don't have to make an intelligent argument, but I don't think it would hurt to base posts on issues rather than name calling.

techdiver wrote: »

Because closed shop political nepotism has served us well in the past?:rolleyes:

So if the new kid doesn't get the second most senior position in the front bench within a year its obviously nepotism that's getting in the way? I couldn't include enough rolleyes here if I tried.

dilallio · 08-02-2010 06:58PM

I hope that when the dust settles on this, that George will let the people know, especially those from South Dublin, what has changed so much since his election to the Dail.

I am very disappointed that we have lost someone, who seemed to be providing a much needed injection of new blood and ideas into a system that many people now feel alienated from. The last thing the country needs, in addition to the cost of another by-election, is the thought that we are governed by a system that is so entrenched in its workings that nothing will ever change.

Here are a few comments from George after he was elected last June'

On his interview with Bryan Dobson after he was elected, Bryan asked him if it would be difficult for him to work within the 'constraints' of a political party such as Fine Gael.
George replied

"I can live within the constraints of any political party and I think I have proven that (because of his 17 yrs experience with RTE). So no, it will not be a difficulty at all, all that matters is that we put the government out, and we put the people first, and whatever that takes in terms of discipline, I'm well up for it".

And

"The people of Dublin South expect, that when they elect somebody to any particular office, that that sombody will do the job"

Source

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvJbddjYzXg

themont85 · 08-02-2010 07:34PM

Well if he was promised a key economic role and didn't get it, then obviousely he wasn't happy. He didn't leave his 150,000k plus job for the craic. I have no doubt that some in FG were threatened by him and conspired against him. This is a problem in Irish politics (and the public sector and segments of the private sector too). There is a sense of entitlement. 'I've been sitting in this seat for 8 years, now where's my junior ministerial job?'. Horse**** tbh. Lee is more qualified than some of the chancers in the Dáil, teachers and solicitors who don't have a clue about about their portfolio but have 'served their time'.

Alfasud · 08-02-2010 07:43PM

George obviously got no' LEEway' with Fine Gael He wasn't one of the Dynasties in the Dail

Big Nasty · 08-02-2010 08:28PM

If anyone saw the RTE news his contempt for Enda Kenny and the restraints of FG in general were VERY evident, even though he refused to say how he would vote in a general election. In fact his refusal to comment was quite intelligent, it was damn obvious where he stands now but nobody can ever say in the future that he is 'taking sides' or that his opinion is 'biased against FG', even if we know it's the truth!

Fecked if I would ever work for or vote for Enda 'Kipper Face' Kenny myself! - Give me BIFFO any day!

Jimbo · 08-02-2010 08:35PM

Apparently under the terms of his unpaid leave with RTE, he is entitled to a job, but not necessarily the same one, from them.

Can he really go back to his job with RTE now and give an unbiased view of politics after all this? Will he now have to work behind the scenes?

Biggins · 08-02-2010 08:38PM

MCMLXXV wrote: »

If anyone saw the RTE news his contempt for Enda Kenny and the restraints of FG in general were VERY evident, even though he refused to say how he would vote in a general election. In fact his refusal to comment was quite intelligent, it was damn obvious where he stands now...

He appeared very angry and was just about holding his temper in.
FG Enda it appears might have promised him a lot for joining them, used him for PR then when that was done, shoved him in a proverbial corner.
George only got to see FG finance man three times apparently, he was side-tracked by the old boys and apparently shunned by the rest.

Thats the state of Irish politics today. Its not about aiding the country, its about "...'Ere you! Your jumping ahead of the queue for the good jobs!"

FF, FG, Labour - the whole lot so far are a friggin' disgrace.

AckwelFoley · 08-02-2010 08:45PM

He is a small little man with a huge opnion of himself.

His economic drivel is more suited to the Labour party politics, but i would at least commend Mr Gilmore for not trying a cheap stunt in getting a tv personality that will get the gormless to vote for this man - the same people would probable vote for Bart Simpson because hes on De telle - "sur he must know stuff".

Fine Gael having taken the man on board realised the utter bollox this man spouts is not workable, yet glad to have him on board smiled and nodded when it came to making discussing possible alternatives to the govenment solutions.

Its takes decades to make it up through the ranks of a political party, it takes time, significant time to be a senior player in a political party.. this man was 8 months, his gigantic ego thought otherwise

Big Nasty · 08-02-2010 08:51PM

snyper wrote: »

He is a small little man with a huge opnion of himself.

His economic drivel is more suited to the Labour party politics, but i would at least commend Mr Gilmore for not trying a cheap stunt in getting a tv personality that will get the gormless to vote for this man - the same people would probable vote for Bart Simpson because hes on De telle - "sur he must know stuff".

Fine Gael having taken the man on board realised the utter bollox this man spouts is not workable, yet glad to have him on board smiled and nodded when it came to making discussing possible alternatives to the govenment solutions.

I have to say I disagree with you on Lee's level of knowledge or intelligence where finance is concerned but you're dead right in why FG endorsed him in the first place - publicity stunt!

We'll never know the whole story but it certainly seemed to me that Lee was led to believe he would play an important role in FG and their approach where finance was concerned but instead was just used as a poster boy so said, fook this I'm off - and rightly so!

Hank_Jones · 08-02-2010 08:52PM

That resignation story is just a cover up.

I know what really happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzoPUHKZTNM

Biggins · 08-02-2010 08:53PM

snyper wrote: »

He is a small little man with a huge opnion of himself.

His economic drivel is more suited to the Labour party politics, but i would at least commend Mr Gilmore for not trying a cheap stunt in getting a tv personality that will get the gormless to vote for this man - the same people would probable vote for Bart Simpson because hes on De telle - "sur he must know stuff".

Fine Gael having taken the man on board realised the utter bollox this man spouts is not workable, yet glad to have him on board smiled and nodded when it came to making discussing possible alternatives to the government solutions.

While indeed you could be right - I don't disagree for I don't know - IF so, its says a lot about FG and its head.
If the man was that bad, surely to god they could have done their homework, check him out, etc before signing him up?
Jeasus, I don't buy a ticket before knowing what to expect!
I sure as hell wouldn't take on a high profile face, not knowing what also lay behind it.

End of the day its:
* a failure of George to see what was going on before he entered into companionship with FG.
* a complete failure and PR disaster for FG/Enda who fcuked the whole mess up.
* a yet again clear indication of the state of Irish politics to today. Its not "what you can do for your country" - its "what your country can give to you!"

Fianna Fail members are dancing tonight. Enda and co just made sure of that!

Big Nasty · 08-02-2010 08:56PM

Biggins wrote: »

While indeed you could be right - I don't disagree for I don't know - IF so, its says a lot about FG and its head.
If the man was that bad, surely to god they could have done their homework, check him out, etc before signing him up?
Jeasus, I don't buy a ticket before knowing what to expect!
I sure as hell wouldn't take on a high profile face, not knowing what also lay behind it.

End of the day its:
* a failure of George to see what was going on before he entered into companionship with FG.
* a complete failure and PR disaster for FG/Enda who fcuked the whole mess up.
* a yet again clear indication of the state of Irish politics to today. Its not "what you can do for your country" - its "what your country can give to you!"

Fianna Fail members are dancing tonight. Enda and co just made sure of that!

Damn Straight!

AckwelFoley · 08-02-2010 08:59PM

Biggins wrote: »

Fianna Fail members are dancing tonight. Enda and co just made sure of that!

i vote fianna fail.

Why?

Because Fianna Gael Have enda kenny, they need to start thinking politics rather than slinging sh1t at the gorvenment.

Eamon Gilmore is a left wing swine.. The greens? no - Sinn Fein? No thanks.

So the alternatives are not there im afraid.

Nodin · 08-02-2010 09:04PM

Choke wrote: »

He ran on the basis that he would get a say in running the country (and FG made it clear that they wanted his experience), so he naturally resigned when that turned out not to be the case.

What experience would that be? Talking on a microphone?

EraseAndRewind · 08-02-2010 09:06PM

Everytime i read the title of this thread i cant help singing 'Karma karma karma cameleon' to myself :rolleyes:

Big Nasty · 08-02-2010 09:10PM

snyper wrote: »

i vote fianna fail.

Why?

Because Fianna Gael Have enda kenny, they need to start thinking politics rather than slinging sh1t at the gorvenment.

Eamon Gilmore is a left wing swine.. The greens? no - Sinn Fein? No thanks.

So the alternatives are not there im afraid.

Best of a bad lot I'm afraid!

Hank_Jones · 08-02-2010 09:10PM

snyper wrote: »

i vote fianna fail.

Why?

Because Fianna Gael Have enda kenny, they need to start thinking politics rather than slinging sh1t at the gorvenment.

Eamon Gilmore is a left wing swine.. The greens? no - Sinn Fein? No thanks.

So the alternatives are not there im afraid.

So, you basically vote Fianna Fail because you don't like the leaders of the other parties.

I honestly don't think that Kenny could do much worse to be honest.
I do vote FG, but I wouldn't mind seeing the back of him and seeing Richard Bruton as taoiseach.

It's a poisoned chalace at this stage anyway, but FF did put us in the position we are in now, with bad management of government agencies.

Bye George!!

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