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  • #32
    Bonito
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭Bonito


    Hatari Haguar - Please Specify
    Panda110 wrote: »
    I went to school in England and was taught to say 'aitch'.
    Haitch is just what Irish people use and is not proper English.
    Suppose that's why an is put in front of words.

    For example - an 'istoric event - doesn't sound right if it's an Historic event


  • #33
    MaybeLogic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MaybeLogic


    Aytch
    Panda110 wrote: »
    I went to school in England and was taught to say 'aitch'.
    Haitch is just what Irish people use and is not proper English.

    Oh la-di-da. Proper English.


  • #34
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Aytch
    Pffft. What would the English know about English?

    Besides which 75% of people fail the exam for not answering the question asked, which was how do you spell, not pronounce.


  • #35
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    This thread doesn't even deserve caustic derision.
    /spits on thread.


  • #36
    brummytom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    Panda110 wrote: »
    I went to school in England and was taught to say 'aitch'.
    Haitch is just what Irish people use and is not proper English.
    We're not taught that? :confused:


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  • #37
    we'llallhavetea_old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭we'llallhavetea_old


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    vinylmesh wrote: »
    Haych, no t.

    To join in with the subtly veiled english-bashing, does anyone else find people who say "sickth" instead of "sixth" really annoying?

    god yes, and "fith" instead of "fifth", davina mccall does it and it upsets me.


  • #38
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    I haitch these threads.


  • #39
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Some people in NI have a bizzare preoccupation with this subject for some reason


  • #40
    itsallaboutheL
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    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Some people in NI have a bizzare preoccupation with this subject for some reason

    No son, you seem to have mixed up pronunciation with sectarian violence...


  • #41
    AnonoBoy
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    'ello all wat's going on 'ere?


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  • #42
    baalthor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭baalthor


    itsallaboutheL wrote: »
    No son, you seem to have mixed up pronunciation with sectarian violence...

    Unfortunately, the two are related in some situations. Pronunciations can be used to distinguish one side from the other

    I've heard of Loyalist paramilitaries in NI stopping people and asking them to spell "house" for example.
    If you pronounce H the "Irish" way ... not good ...

    Similarly, in WW2 the Dutch resistance used the pronunciation of the town of Scheveningen to detect German spies in their ranks.

    The first record of this kind of thing is in the Bible:
    Gilead then cut Ephraim off from the fords of the Jordan, and whenever Ephraimite fugitives said, 'Let me cross,' the men of Gilead would ask, 'Are you an Ephraimite?' If he said, 'No,' they then said, 'Very well, say Shibboleth.' If anyone said, 'Sibboleth', because he could not pronounce it, then they would seize him and kill him by the fords of the Jordan. Forty-two thousand Ephraimites fell on this occasion.
    So this way of detecting someones origins is known as a Shibboleth


  • #43
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    baalthor wrote: »
    So this way of detecting someones origins is known as a Shibboleth

    How does one pronounce it ?
    asking them to spell "house" for example. If you pronounce H the "Irish" way ... not good ..

    one could always spell it "Teach"


  • #44
    Dionysus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Dionysus


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    Panda110 wrote: »
    I went to school in England and was taught to say 'aitch'.
    Haitch is just what Irish people use and is not proper English.

    Ahem. "Proper English" indeed; the reason why English people drop the 'h' sound is simply because it was dropped in Latin words. No educated English person would drop the 'h' from a word which does not have a Latin origin.

    As I said, 'a historic' and not 'an historic' is deemed to be more correct according to the Oxford English Dictionary today (see note under 'An').


  • #45
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Dionysus wrote: »
    Ahem. "Proper English" indeed; the reason why English people drop the 'h' sound is simply because it was dropped in Latin words. No educated English person would drop the 'h' from a word which does not have a Latin origin.

    As I said, 'a historic' and not 'an historic' is deemed to be more correct according to the Oxford English Dictionary today (see note under 'An').
    Was that a serious, educated answer....in AH? :confused:


  • #46
    Dionysus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Dionysus


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    Kiith wrote: »
    Was that a serious, educated answer....in AH? :confused:

    Alas, we can but try ;)


  • #47
    humberklog
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,026 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Haitch
    Dionysus wrote: »
    Ahem. "Proper English" indeed; the reason why English people drop the 'h' sound is simply because it was dropped in Latin words. No educated English person would drop the 'h' from a word which does not have a Latin origin.

    As I said, 'a historic' and not 'an historic' is deemed to be more correct according to the Oxford English Dictionary today (see note under 'An').

    There was this thread over on the English language forum.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055765414



    Aitch for me.


  • #48
    congo_90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭congo_90


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    What if ya spell it with a 'H' instead of 'h'? is it wrong?
    I say good riddance to the pronounciation.

    Damn h coming here and eating our upside down w


  • #49
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Aytch
    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Some people in NI have a bizzare preoccupation with this subject for some reason

    That reason being that it's a shibboleth - catholic/nationalists aspirate while unionist/protestants don't, as a general rule. But I think you knew that.

    I think only Irish people and some Australians pronounce the letter with a 'h' at the beginning.

    edit: already said by faster people
    Dionysius wrote:
    Ahem. "Proper English" indeed; the reason why English people drop the 'h' sound is simply because it was dropped in Latin words. No educated English person would drop the 'h' from a word which does not have a Latin origin.

    As I said, 'a historic' and not 'an historic' is deemed to be more correct according to the Oxford English Dictionary today (see note under 'An').

    That's twice you've completely missed the point of the thread - it's about the pronunciation of the letter.


    Next, who pronounces the 'h' sound in words like 'white', 'whether', 'whip' ?


  • #50
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


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    Bonito wrote: »
    Bet you to it :cool:

    Really ? What were the odds ? :D


  • #51
    m@cc@
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    Aytch
    Panda110 wrote: »
    Haitch is just what Irish people use and is not proper English.

    The term 'proper English' is a myth since it's a subjective term.


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  • #52
    fuelinjection
    Closed Accounts Posts: 458 ✭✭fuelinjection


    h

    but sometimes when it is at the start of a sentence then ... H



    according to http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/h

    the pronounciation or phonetic is "[eych]"
    but it could have been writen by yanks.


  • #53
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Aytch
    pickarooney wrote: »
    That's twice you've completely missed the point of the thread - it's about the pronunciation of the letter.


    Wrong! It's about the spelling :cool:

    I don't care how y'all pronounce it, your all a bunch of Haitches anyway.


  • #54
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Aytch
    WindSock wrote: »
    Wrong! It's about the spelling :cool:

    I don't care how y'all pronounce it, your all a bunch of Haitches anyway.

    OK, I'm a spa.


  • #55
    panda100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭panda100


    Haitch
    Dionysus wrote: »
    Ahem. "Proper English" indeed; the reason why English people drop the 'h' sound is simply because it was dropped in Latin words. No educated English person would drop the 'h' from a word which does not have a Latin origin.

    As I said, 'a historic' and not 'an historic' is deemed to be more correct according to the Oxford English Dictionary today (see note under 'An').

    THe Oxford English dictionary is wrong then innit?

    Sr Richard taught me to say 'aitch' and told us only common,uneductaed people said 'haitch'. Im sticking with her on this one


  • #56
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Aytch
    Panda110 wrote: »
    THe Oxford English dictionary is wrong then innit?

    Sr Richard taught me to say 'aitch' and told us only common,uneductaed people said 'haitch'. Im sticking with her on this one

    That conceited perception holds true in England but is of no relevance in Ireland.


  • #57
    Buford T Justice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,272 ✭✭✭Buford T Justice


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    pickarooney wrote: »
    That conceited perception holds true in England but is of no relevance in Ireland.

    A H with a silent H sound. Who'd of thunk it eh?


  • #58
    InKonspikuou2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭InKonspikuou2


    Aytch
    ah-chay


  • #59
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Aytch
    Panda110 wrote: »
    THe Oxford English dictionary is wrong then innit?

    Sr Richard taught me to say 'aitch' and told us only common,uneductaed people said 'haitch'. Im sticking with her on this one

    You were taught by Sir Richard? Branson? Attenbourgh?


  • #60
    WindSock
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    Aytch
    Fingers McGee wrote: »
    A H with a silent H sound. Who'd of thunk it eh?

    But there is no W in dubya/double-you/ewe/yoo/u


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  • #61
    newmember2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭newmember2


    Haitch
    It's aitch FFS.


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