Imagine launch Midband Ripwave Replacement - WiMAX

MrVestek · 15-12-2009 02:51PM

luckat wrote: »

What do you mean by the 95% of data that gets lost? Emails don't arrive? Files can't be downloaded?

At the moment I'm using Breeze for work, and I have to download a good number of big audio files, a few megabytes each, occasionall 20MB or 30MB, so if this isn't adequate with WiMAX I certainly wouldn't want to change.

With high levels of packet loss it'd be useless for streaming and gaming online... also a high level of retransmits would mean slower downloads etc.

15-12-2009 03:20PM

onedmc wrote: »

Just got this product and here are the results from the jury

Speedtest http://www.speedtest.net/result/653103968.png

From imagines own website it works out a little better at 7.4 down and a ping of 88.

But the really scary thing is that I'm getting 94% of packets lost so there is some serious routing problem.

the ping rate is still too high although the speed is quality - the problem is if that much packet loss is occurring then the speed is worth jack since data is haviong to be requeried to retrieve lost packets that were supposed to be recieved. It looks like ther is a long way to go yet before this product lives up to its hype.

Im very disappointed with the upload speeds tho as well. As for the lack of info - it shows that it really isnt rolling out anywhere near as quick as they advertixed either. surely there are more than 2 IBB customers looking at this forum using the new wimax??

luckat · 15-12-2009 05:12PM

But no one can tell me if WiMAX actually works better or worse than Breeze. Drat.

I've watched a few streaming videos on Breeze and they worked fine most of the time, and my downloads work well most of the time.

Unless I can get a genuine comparison, I'm staying with what I have. Pity - I'd like a landline. But I'm not paying Eircom's ripoff rental or accepting their crappy deals on calls.

When I think of friends in Europe who can call for free throughout the EU as part of a landline deal that's cheaper than anything in Ireland, it makes no sense that we can't have the same.

Kev. · 15-12-2009 05:29PM

luckat wrote: »

But no one can tell me if WiMAX actually works better or worse than Breeze. Drat.

WiMax looks worse than Breeze,

Breeze is a great package,bit pricey,but is a good package

Wimax looks rubbish for gaming,as pings and upload speeds are crap

Hope this helps

15-12-2009 06:28PM

luckat wrote: »

But no one can tell me if WiMAX actually works better or worse than Breeze. Drat.

I've watched a few streaming videos on Breeze and they worked fine most of the time, and my downloads work well most of the time.

Unless I can get a genuine comparison, I'm staying with what I have. Pity - I'd like a landline. But I'm not paying Eircom's ripoff rental or accepting their crappy deals on calls.

When I think of friends in Europe who can call for free throughout the EU as part of a landline deal that's cheaper than anything in Ireland, it makes no sense that we can't have the same.

thats the problem - there isnt enough feedback coming to us in order to determine this point. Its supposed to be better but we just dont know as of yet

cgarvey · 16-12-2009 05:24PM

Those of you providing feedback, are you using a fixed WiMax (aerial) or mobile WiMax (dongle thingy)? If mobile, was that because Imagine gave it to you to replace Breeze, or Ripwave, or as it just you decided to try it out? Thanks for giving us the feedback!

IrishTonyO · 16-12-2009 05:34PM

cgarvey wrote: »

Those of you providing feedback, are you using a fixed WiMax (aerial) or mobile WiMax (dongle thingy)? If mobile, was that because Imagine gave it to you to replace Breeze, or Ripwave, or as it just you decided to try it out? Thanks for giving us the feedback!

Only 2 people have provided any feedback and neither were using a wireless dongle, they were using a wimax hub.

PogMoThoin · 16-12-2009 07:00PM

IrishTonyO wrote: »

Only 2 people have provided any feedback and neither were using a wireless dongle, they were using a wimax hub.

Is this the so called fixed wimax option?

luckat · 16-12-2009 07:20PM

Imagine seem a tad tré na chéile about this. The first person I talked to said they'd bring a little machine yokey and place it in my house to replace my roof antenna; the second said they'd put a new antenna on my roof.

I've said no thanks for the moment, until I can get more feedback from people who have used Breeze and are happy to have changed to WiMAX. None of that yet.

16-12-2009 07:58PM

Quick update lads.

So I got pissed off waiting for Imagine to ring me back to me so I packed away the hub and was going to cancel.

But just tonight I decided to take it back out and give it a shot.

Currently at 19:57 the speeds are still crap. But the ping is still ridiculous!

At one point earlier about 19:50 I got 9Mb. 2 mins later I got 8.21Mb download 0.32Mb upload.

Still going to cancel though.

Here is a speedtest:

luckat · 19-12-2009 06:33PM

Sponge Bob wrote: »

They don't

Breeze is spanking technology.

1. It uses outdoor fixed aerials not tiny indoor dongly yokes .
2. It runs at 5Ghz+ with clear line of sight ( LOS) and where there is quite a lot of spectrum .

Mmmreally? I was talking on Skype this morning using Breeze (using a USB Skypephone), and as usual, the signal was breaking up so badly neither I nor my caller could hear each other properly - I had to type things on the 'chat' option after trying several times to say a phrase without it breaking up.

BigMoose · 19-12-2009 09:19PM

Ok, I see what you mean about not liking bluface if it's like skype in the other thread! I dunno what's wrong with your connection but voice over IP on a breeze connection should work mostly perfectly. I dont have an eircom line, just use blueface for all my landline needs and most calls are as good as a mobile. But the odd call isn't so good as you cant guarantee no contention problems and it depends who you call at the other end. If they are VoIP/Skype their connection could be crap. Did you ever try pinging sip.blueface.ie to see what your packet loss and round trip time was like? If your breeze is installed badly and you have packet loss it might be why your skype calls are so bad. That can be fixed!

luckat · 20-12-2009 01:18AM

Can't remember how to ping. How do I? (On a Mac.)

Looked it up. This is what I got:

--- sip.blueface.ie ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss

But I still get major breaking-up when I use Skype.

PLIIM · 20-12-2009 01:37PM

I was so hoping this would be an option for me. Imagine can keep it. It seems worse than my 1Mb Eircom connection. Im at 6Km from the exchange so cant get better. Thought Wimax was going to at last be a wireless option that would reach me.
The only other wireless option is ICE and no way in hell would i go to them. I read that huge thread on how bad they are.

PogMoThoin · 20-12-2009 03:33PM

luckat wrote: »

Can't remember how to ping. How do I? (On a Mac.)

Looked it up. This is what I got:

But I still get major breaking-up when I use Skype.

Zero packet loss makes no difference when Your ping times are 200-300ms. Post your ping times

luckat · 20-12-2009 04:29PM

time=5.659 ms
time=5.555 ms
time=12.368 ms
time=8.955 ms
time=6.227 ms
time=13.446 ms
time=11.169 ms
time=8.413 ms
time=8.431 ms
time=11.244 ms

and again

time=9.555 ms
time=8.039 ms
time=218.152 ms
time=168.184 ms
time=119.593 ms
time=6.205 ms
time=8.499 ms
time=6.736 ms
time=6.926 ms
time=14.594 ms

and again

time=7.310 ms
time=5.323 ms
time=6.983 ms
time=5.734 ms
time=6.470 ms
time=60.420 ms
time=11.457 ms
time=273.261 ms
time=6.215 ms
time=7.117 ms

and again

time=174.586 ms
time=158.452 ms
time=170.802 ms
time=180.922 ms
time=194.264 ms
time=188.500 ms
time=183.295 ms
time=191.405 ms
time=211.521 ms
time=206.642 ms

and

time=400.803 ms
time=364.979 ms
time=417.049 ms
time=482.809 ms
time=424.098 ms
time=455.883 ms
time=463.672 ms
time=515.773 ms
time=428.177 ms
time=527.970 ms

Why the vast difference? What does all this mean?

PogMoThoin · 20-12-2009 07:41PM

Means its inconsistent and therefore shíte

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ping
"Ping time" refers to the amount of time it takes for a small "packet" of data to travel over the internet from one computer to another computer and back to the first computer. It is usually reported in milliseconds (ms). The closer to zero the better

bigpaddy2004 · 20-12-2009 11:02PM

luckat wrote: »

time=5.659 ms
time=5.555 ms
time=12.368 ms
time=8.955 ms
time=6.227 ms
time=13.446 ms
time=11.169 ms
time=8.413 ms
time=8.431 ms
time=11.244 ms

and again

time=9.555 ms
time=8.039 ms
time=218.152 ms
time=168.184 ms
time=119.593 ms
time=6.205 ms
time=8.499 ms
time=6.736 ms
time=6.926 ms
time=14.594 ms

and again

time=7.310 ms
time=5.323 ms
time=6.983 ms
time=5.734 ms
time=6.470 ms
time=60.420 ms
time=11.457 ms
time=273.261 ms
time=6.215 ms
time=7.117 ms

and again

time=174.586 ms
time=158.452 ms
time=170.802 ms
time=180.922 ms
time=194.264 ms
time=188.500 ms
time=183.295 ms
time=191.405 ms
time=211.521 ms
time=206.642 ms

and

time=400.803 ms
time=364.979 ms
time=417.049 ms
time=482.809 ms
time=424.098 ms
time=455.883 ms
time=463.672 ms
time=515.773 ms
time=428.177 ms
time=527.970 ms

Why the vast difference? What does all this mean?

Were you doing anything else with your internet connection when you were pinging blueface? Browsing? Downloading? E-mailing?

BigMoose · 20-12-2009 11:22PM

Your first block is a good set of results for a breeze connection and would mean good quality VoIP calls using blueface (with no packet loss) but the sporadic spikes are not good at all. As bigpaddy2004 says, anything you were doing on the connection at the time could have affected those results. If you can be sure that there was nothing at your end, then it might be worth doing a traceroute to somewhere (sip.blueface.ie is as good an example as any, it's tracert on windows, think it's the same on a mac?) to see if there are any particular hops that are causing the problem. In particular if between you and the mast is bad then your installation could be poor and an engineer call out could likely fix it. But I would think it's more likely something else is using your connection while you got those high results.

luckat · 21-12-2009 01:05PM

bigpaddy2004 wrote: »

Were you doing anything else with your internet connection when you were pinging blueface? Browsing? Downloading? E-mailing?

Browsing. But not loading pages at that very moment - just with a browser open.

I do have an Airport Extreme router between the computer (upstairs) and the Breeze thingy. But sometimes the Skype connection is clear, other times it breaks up.

Must try unplugging and plugging in directly next time Skype is bad; Irish Broadband always blamed the router, come to think of it - but I don't think they were right.

BigMoose · 21-12-2009 03:08PM

Oddly the most recent problem I had with my breeze connection did turn out to be my router! Despite being "an IT professional who knows this stuff", I was a little embarassed to find my router was causing grief. Guy was actually very helpful though and I should have connected my laptop directly to the breeze brick before I started moaning at them. But that proved the issue, a router firmware upgrade solved the problem...

Connect your mac (if you can) directly to the breeze thing and configure the mac network settings accordingly then try the ping tests again. Also try some Skype calls for the laugh. If the ping is stable, you've likely found the problem. If not then as I said before, it would be worth pinging the base station you're connected to to see if the times there are just as iratic (indicating an install or equipment issue). Have you rebooted the breeze kit?

Hammer of Thor · 21-12-2009 03:10PM

luckat wrote: »

Browsing. But not loading pages at that very moment - just with a browser open.

I do have an Airport Extreme router between the computer (upstairs) and the Breeze thingy. But sometimes the Skype connection is clear, other times it breaks up.

Must try unplugging and plugging in directly next time Skype is bad; Irish Broadband always blamed the router, come to think of it - but I don't think they were right.

IBB are never to blame, my Belkin router was always to blame when Ripwave wasn't adeqautely working. Always.

Sponge Bob · 21-12-2009 03:16PM

Belkin is the worst ****e ever made ....along with Ripwave of course.

I never have anything to do with fixing any Belkin related issues , life is too short

luckat · 21-12-2009 05:28PM

Thanks, BigMoose, I'll do that - or, more to the point, I'll do it next time I'm on a dodgy Skype call.

Johro · 22-12-2009 02:45PM

daithicarr wrote: »

and how much of that amazing 8 mb would you actually get since id imagine its up to 8 mb and not 8 mg guaranteed for each customer.

and what are they comparing with their 15 times faster.
with no technical information and just some prat spouting rubbish over and over , it looks like this is just a big old hype.

Our glorious leader was quoted on the radio saying this would make is the envy of Europe in the broad band field. i wonder what places in Europe's he was referring too.

100 mb in Holland. I know, I'm from there. If ya want real fast move to Japan where they have speeds (consistent speeds) of 400 mb. We can only dream.. I'm on O2 mobile broadband just barely getting a signal coz I live in the sticks. I don't get 3G signal, am on the EDGE network. Yes I'm on edge.:mad::D:mad:

Johro · 22-12-2009 02:52PM

BigMoose wrote: »

Oddly the most recent problem I had with my breeze connection did turn out to be my router! Despite being "an IT professional who knows this stuff", I was a little embarassed to find my router was causing grief. Guy was actually very helpful though and I should have connected my laptop directly to the breeze brick before I started moaning at them. But that proved the issue, a router firmware upgrade solved the problem...

Connect your mac (if you can) directly to the breeze thing and configure the mac network settings accordingly then try the ping tests again. Also try some Skype calls for the laugh. If the ping is stable, you've likely found the problem. If not then as I said before, it would be worth pinging the base station you're connected to to see if the times there are just as iratic (indicating an install or equipment issue). Have you rebooted the breeze kit?

Connect my laptop to the breeze block?? With what, steel nails?? Some IT expert...:D

BigMoose · 22-12-2009 03:28PM

Cement might do it, or perhaps the ethernet cable... :rolleyes:

27-12-2009 09:14PM

luckat wrote: »

Can't remember how to ping. How do I? (On a Mac.)

Looked it up. This is what I got:

But I still get major breaking-up when I use Skype.

What address / IP address did you ping?

luckat · 28-12-2009 09:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

What address / IP address did you ping?

sip.blueface.ie

01-01-2010 04:22AM

Johro wrote: »

100 mb in Holland. I know, I'm from there. If ya want real fast move to Japan where they have speeds (consistent speeds) of 400 mb. We can only dream.. I'm on O2 mobile broadband just barely getting a signal coz I live in the sticks. I don't get 3G signal, am on the EDGE network. Yes I'm on edge.:mad::D:mad:

well if things are that bad then you mite want to see if there is Three NBS or midband coverage in your area but i will warn you that three have a bad rep when it comes to quality but still it should be better than EDGE coverage from o2.

Imagine launch Midband Ripwave Replacement - WiMAX

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