Joseph Moshe - Arrested in LA by FBI for Going Public about Vaccine

squod · 28-11-2009 12:09AM

imstrongerthanu wrote: »

Is it an address of a lab where they have the ability to produce vaccines and such?

The contaminated vaccine came from Austria. 106 countries also recieved the vaccine according to news sources. A bottling plant or distribution centre could have done once local authorities were ok with it.

http://www.techagreements.com/agreement-preview.aspx?num=388372

meglome · 28-11-2009 03:33AM

squod wrote: »

The contaminated vaccine came from Austria. 106 countries also recieved the vaccine according to news sources. A bottling plant or distribution centre could have done once local authorities were ok with it.

http://www.techagreements.com/agreement-preview.aspx?num=388372

But this isn't the actual conspiracy though is it.

baaaa · 28-11-2009 03:56AM

mcmoustache wrote: »

Don't take advice from people selling you stuff. They always have an agenda.

Sage advice there mate,do you think that governments ever try to sell things to us,or is it just glaxosmith and CT sites?

meglome · 28-11-2009 04:23AM

baaaa wrote: »

Sage advice there mate,do you think that governments ever try to sell things to us,or is it just glaxosmith and CT sites?

Governments are generally not trying to sell you anything but they are often trying to cover their arses. What I find funny is they are often trying to cover their arses as they are inept and incompetent yet the conspiracy's would have us believe they are omnipotent in some way.

For me it's about balance. Anyone can (and possibly will) lie to you for a myriad of different reasons. Too many of the CT sites are selling something to be trusted, too many of them leave out crucial details (or alter crucial details) to be trusted. You can't fully trust a government on their best day. It's about looking at the sources, the evidence and the logic and working it out for yourself. All that said I've found government sources way more reliable that most CT sources when you look in detail, which is probably a sad reflection on many of the CT sites and their search for so called truth.

Anyway not really on topic.

Mahatma coat · 28-11-2009 06:23AM

have we established who this guy is yet tho???

if there are two Joseph Moshe's Which Joseph Moshe was spirited away to Israel?
and wheres the other one?

Does America have something like a DVLA database where we could ring up and ask for the details of a car registration on some premis, then find out who that red beetle belonged to.

Apparently the cops raided his appartment, do we have an address? a suburb and the name of one of his neighbours even?

this thread is shooting off in multiple directions yet we dont seem to have gotten to the core of the original question, who is this guy?

mcmoustache · 28-11-2009 10:42PM

baaaa wrote: »

Sage advice there mate,do you think that governments ever try to sell things to us,or is it just glaxosmith and CT sites?

They constantly do it and shouldn't be trusted either. It still doesn't mean CT sites should be trusted.

imstrongerthanu · 28-11-2009 11:10PM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

have we established who this guy is yet tho???

if there are two Joseph Moshe's Which Joseph Moshe was spirited away to Israel?
and wheres the other one?

Does America have something like a DVLA database where we could ring up and ask for the details of a car registration on some premis, then find out who that red beetle belonged to.

Apparently the cops raided his appartment, do we have an address? a suburb and the name of one of his neighbours even?

this thread is shooting off in multiple directions yet we dont seem to have gotten to the core of the original question, who is this guy?

Both the sceptical and not so sceptical people have not tried anything worth talking about with regards finding out information for themselves.They do search google though; with an air of, "I'm investigating for the sake of humanity at large" ........

I don't think anyone has the inclination to do what you have suggested or the interest.It's a novelty at best, and a hobby.....

Mahatma coat · 30-11-2009 12:16AM

Jaysus theres not much out there about this fella, well there are a multitude of links but they all provide roughhly the same amount of basic informaton, then ther are the blog and Fora comments, some of these might be worth followin up. so after a few hours on teh interweb I'm actually further from the truth than I was yesterday

squod · 30-11-2009 12:37AM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Jaysus theres not much out there about this fella, well there are a multitude of links but they all provide roughhly the same amount of basic informaton, then ther are the blog and Fora comments, some of these might be worth followin up. so after a few hours on teh interweb I'm actually further from the truth than I was yesterday

You should have a look in http://www.mossad.org/ and scroll through their list of bio-scientists. He's under the TopSecret pulldown menu.

In all fairness Mahatma coat I wouldn't bother too much about it. There's sites like this one though, http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/ which I've been looking for updates on.

Mahatma coat · 30-11-2009 12:49AM

but thats the point Squod, ther was a lot more information available on this a few weeks ago, its like the man is just disapearing from everything. its got me very suspicious.

EXODUS251022 · 30-11-2009 01:28AM

uprising wrote: »

Moshe's neighbors said U.S. Secret Service agents went to Moshe's home Wednesday night, but he didn't answer the door.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local-beat/Man-Accused-of-White-House-Threat-Faces-Charges-53492847.html

So this man threatens to blow up the white house, secret service knock on his door, didn't get an answer, and leave, what a load of bollllix...

Federal agents and LAPD officers spotted Moshe in his red Volkswagen around 10 a.m. Thursday, but he drove off, prompting a chase that went north on the San Diego (405) Freeway and ended in a parking lot driveway just south of the federal building in Westwood.

Here's something that doesn't make sense, from above link

According to police and prosecutors, Moshe called the Los Angeles Police Department's Command Division on Wednesday and threatened to blow up the White House. He also allegedly threatened an LAPD communications employee after she refused to give him her name.
Moshe's neighbors said U.S. Secret Service agents went to Moshe's home Wednesday night, but he didn't answer the door.

So he threatened to blow up the white house, secret service then call to his home, he doesn't answer the door....so they LEAVE!, now theres something very wrong there already, considering the operation that swung into place the next morning when he was spotted in his red beetle.

Federal agents and LAPD officers spotted Moshe in his red Volkswagen around 10 a.m. Thursday, but he drove off, prompting a chase that went north on the San Diego (405) Freeway and ended in a parking lot driveway just south of the federal building in Westwood.

If he really threatened to blow up the whitehouse,and was a threat to take serious, why did the SS agents only knock at his door?, and then leave when he didn't answer the door?, if he did do what they said, should they not have evacuated the street, surrounded it, gas the house, send in the robot, park their paramilitary vehicles outside, contained the threat, just like they did next morning, but they didn't , they knocked and left.

So this man calls the LAPD command division with his threat "To Blow Up The White House" and SS agents knock and leave, think about that, it just doesn't make sense to me.

Diogenes · 30-11-2009 01:43AM

EXODUS251022 wrote: »

Here's something that doesn't make sense, from above link

So he threatened to blow up the white house, secret service then call to his home, he doesn't answer the door....so they LEAVE!, now theres something very wrong there already, considering the operation that swung into place the next morning when he was spotted in his red beetle.

I'm sorry what exactly do you expect them to do? Also clearly they didn't just knock on his door, from your link, neighbours pointed out that the Secret Service called to the door. The only explanation, is that in addition to trying to speak to Moshe, they made a limited canvas of the neighbourhood, and spoke to neighbours about Moshe, and identified themselves as agents.

According to this link Obama receives over 30 death threats a day. I imagine the secret service are stretched thin.

If he really threatened to blow up the whitehouse,and was a threat to take serious, why did the SS agents only knock at his door?, and then leave when he didn't answer the door?, if he did do what they said, should they not have evacuated the street, surrounded it, gas the house, send in the robot, park their paramilitary vehicles outside, contained the threat, just like they did next morning, but they didn't , they knocked and left.

Do you think they would have just cause to do this?

So this man calls the LAPD command division with his threat "To Blow Up The White House" and SS agents knock and leave, think about that, it just doesn't make sense to me.

Do secret service agents have the authority to enter a house without a warrant? Was there probable cause.

What is more plausible, that the secret service arrived at his house. Found he wasn't in. Asked LAPD to issue an APB. Moshe's car is reported driving near a major Federal building, he refuses to stop, is pulled over, and then refuses to get out of his car. Because his threat specified a bomb, the LAPD used extreme caution when taking him into custody.

EXODUS251022 · 30-11-2009 02:34AM

Diogenes wrote: »

I'm sorry what exactly do you expect them to do? Also clearly they didn't just knock on his door, from your link, neighbours pointed out that the Secret Service called to the door. The only explanation, is that in addition to trying to speak to Moshe, they made a limited canvas of the neighbourhood, and spoke to neighbours about Moshe, and identified themselves as agents.

According to this link Obama receives over 30 death threats a day. I imagine the secret service are stretched thin.

What exactly do I expect them to do?, well not knock and leave (this was a man who called LAPD command with threats to BLOW UP! the whitehouse)and how did you conclude from the link they didn't knock?, "Moshe's neighbors said U.S. Secret Service agents went to Moshe's home Wednesday night, but he didn't answer the door", they went to his door, what did they do when they got to it?

Do you think they would have just cause to do this?

If a "Real" threat was made do you think they wouldn't have just cause, and when did "just cause" ever hamper any U.S. military/paramilitary/police operation, I've seen "suspected" small time crack dealers have their front doors ripped off and homes torn apart for simply being a suspect in a democracy where your innocent until proven guilty.
Remember these are the same SS agents that held people captive in their own homes when clinton came to Dublin
Do you think they did or didn't have "just cause" under these supposed threats?

Do secret service agents have the authority to enter a house without a warrant?

YES they are a law onto themselves, and none of them would have faced disiplinary action for kicking in the door of a bomb suspect and killing him who's only mistake was he phoned LAPD COMMAND and said he would blow up the white house, especially under their "new" terror laws which means they can and do what they like.

Was there probable cause.

You call the Garda now and tell them you are going to blow up Biffo's gaff and see if they knock and go away, or do they knock down your door.

What is more plausible, that the secret service arrived at his house. Found he wasn't in. Asked LAPD to issue an APB. Moshe's car is reported driving near a major Federal building, he refuses to stop, is pulled over, and then refuses to get out of his car. Because his threat specified a bomb, the LAPD used extreme caution when taking him into custody.

Whats more plausible is for a threat that specified a bomb against the WH, for the house to be pulled apart, searched for evidence, try to establish had Mr moshe already started his drive/journey from California to DC, was there bomb making equipment in his home, evidence, anything!
And they didn't take "extreme" caution, they peppersprayed him from feet with NO bomb suit, so I definately wouldn't call that plausible, look at the video's again, they knew there was no bomb.

Mahatma coat · 30-11-2009 03:19AM

if Moshe Called LAPD then there should be a Recording of this conversation, it would therfore confirm that the did in fact threaten the white house.

However I can find no reference to it, or anyreference to a threat to the whitehouse besides the newspaper reports from after the standoff.

EXODUS251022 · 30-11-2009 03:20AM

Diogenes wrote: »

According to this link Obama receives over 30 death threats a day. I imagine the secret service are stretched thin.

And from that/your link:

Most however, are kept under wraps because the Secret Service fears that revealing details of them would only increase the number of copycat attempts. Although most threats are not credible, each one has to be investigated meticulously.
According to the book, intelligence officials received information that people associated with the Somalia-based Islamist group al-Shabaab might try to disrupt Mr Obama's inauguration in January, when the Secret Service co-ordinated at least 40,000 agents and officers from some 94 police, military and security agencies

Then they also have (not including military)

In 2004 there were more than 800,000 full-time sworn law enforcement officers in the United States

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/lawenf.htm

Then they have the military:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_armed_forces#Personnel

So you still think they are so thinly stretched that a simple knock and "oh well, He's not home, lets go", is acceptable?
Get real.

EXODUS251022 · 30-11-2009 03:28AM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

if Moshe Called LAPD then there should be a Recording of this conversation, it would therfore confirm that the did in fact threaten the white house.

However I can find no reference to it, or anyreference to a threat to the whitehouse besides the newspaper reports from after the standoff.

Yes ALL calls to LAPD are recorded, all calls to any police force anywhere are recorded, actually every phone call is recorded to police or not.

EXODUS251022 · 30-11-2009 04:43AM

Link from post #3 on this thread, dated 22-08-2009, 11:13
http://pimpinturtle.com/2009/08/21/the-strange-case-of-joseph-moshe.aspx
8/15/2009 11:37 PM.

"Joseph Moshe (Moshe is the man's middle name) is a bio-scientist. He works (worked?) for a unit within Mossad. He is an Israeli citizen.
The Secret Service was not the agency involved in the surveillance of Moshe at his home in California. This was done by the FBI, who had orders to detain him, or "bring him in."

Moshe did not send a threat to the White House. Rather, he communicated that he intended to go public with information he had regarding the flu vaccine that is being prepared by Baxter Labs, an Austrian company.

The information is this: The vaccine is being manufactured in Ukraine. It is not a vaccine at all, but rather an engineered genetically mutated bio-weapon meant to cause sickness and death. Moshe informed the White House he intended to go public with this information. When he became aware that the FBI was about to detain him, he packed some belongings in his car and set out for the Israeli consulate, located in close proximity to the federal building where the standoff took place. FBI pursuit kept him from reaching his destination.

This is predating the Ukraine outbreak, just coincidence

Mahatma coat · 30-11-2009 05:29AM

Please not taht your call may be monitored & Recorded, please inform the officer if you do not wish to be recorded

30-11-2009 12:05PM

EXODUS251022 wrote: »

Link from post #3 on this thread, dated 22-08-2009, 11:13
http://pimpinturtle.com/2009/08/21/the-strange-case-of-joseph-moshe.aspx
8/15/2009 11:37 PM.

"Joseph Moshe (Moshe is the man's middle name) is a bio-scientist. He works (worked?) for a unit within Mossad. He is an Israeli citizen.
The Secret Service was not the agency involved in the surveillance of Moshe at his home in California. This was done by the FBI, who had orders to detain him, or "bring him in."

Moshe did not send a threat to the White House. Rather, he communicated that he intended to go public with information he had regarding the flu vaccine that is being prepared by Baxter Labs, an Austrian company.

The information is this: The vaccine is being manufactured in Ukraine. It is not a vaccine at all, but rather an engineered genetically mutated bio-weapon meant to cause sickness and death. Moshe informed the White House he intended to go public with this information. When he became aware that the FBI was about to detain him, he packed some belongings in his car and set out for the Israeli consulate, located in close proximity to the federal building where the standoff took place. FBI pursuit kept him from reaching his destination.

This is predating the Ukraine outbreak, just coincidence

You've posted this before and it has been pointed out that this was a post from anonymous user quoting an anonymous source.

It's been shown that the guy that is microbiologist is a completely different person to the one who was arrested, the even have different names.

Even though this pre-dates the supposed outbreak in the Ukraine, it doesn't say anything about a virus being released. It says that the vaccine is a bioweapon, but the vaccination rate in the Ukraine isn't very high I wager.

Why do you think this random anonymous post is in way reliable?

Diogenes · 30-11-2009 12:37PM

EXODUS251022 wrote: »

And from that/your link:

Then they also have (not including military)

In 2004 there were more than 800,000 full-time sworn law enforcement officers in the United States

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/lawenf.htm

Then they have the military:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_armed_forces#Personnel

So you still think they are so thinly stretched that a simple knock and "oh well, He's not home, lets go", is acceptable?
Get real.

Thats an argument from incredulity. Not really a point. You really cannot compare the Obama Inaugeration as common everyday occurrence. There were 1.8 Million people in Washington DC attending that event, singularly the largest in Washington DC. Of course thousands of agents from a variety of agencies were brought into DC specially.

There are only 4,400 Secret Service Agents in the US. Source

I do not think they kick down the door of everyone who makes a threat against the White House?

Even if we do accept your position, why would they do this? What would they hope to accomplish by not arresting Moshe at his house, and instead stage a six hour siege, covered on national tv?

Surely if Moshe was a Mossad Microbiologist with information about a deadly engineered virus, that the US government wanted to keep quiet, they would have arrested Moshe at his house, and not in the public way that it happened.

squod · 30-11-2009 09:25PM

King Mob wrote: »

It's been shown that the guy that is microbiologist is a completely different person to the one who was arrested,

No-one has said for sure who he was.

King Mob wrote: »

, it doesn't say anything about a virus being released.

The vaccine contained two live viruses.

King Mob wrote: »

but the vaccination rate in the Ukraine isn't very high I wager.

RT reports otherwise. Vaccination rates fell after the Baxter scare but are generally high in Ukraine.

squod · 30-11-2009 09:30PM

Diogenes wrote: »

There are only 4,400 Secret Service Agents in the US. Source

This link leads to a wikki page? :rolleyes:

30-11-2009 09:38PM

squod wrote: »

No-one has said for sure who he was.

Really cause the source being quoted says they are one in the same.
And seemingly that's the link between microbiology

squod wrote: »

The vaccine contained two live viruses.

Two known viruses that have between weakened, you know what's usually in vaccines.
But the claim is that it was a bio weapon not just a virus.

squod wrote: »

RT reports otherwise. Vaccination rates fell after the Baxter scare but are generally high in Ukraine.

So how many of the people who allegedly have this sickness have had the the vaccine?

squod wrote: »

This link leads to a wikki page?

But you have no problem with Exodus repeating a claim from an anonymous post on a forum?

squod · 30-11-2009 09:47PM

King Mob wrote: »

Two known viruses that have between weakened, you know what's usually in vaccines.

So you're saying with certainty what the outcome of the WHO investigation will be? You're saying that these 'usual' viruses then should have been passed by BioTest? For sure?

Because they were'nt passed by BioTest. You know better?

30-11-2009 09:51PM

squod wrote: »

So you're saying with certainty what the outcome of the WHO investigation will be? You're saying that these 'usual' viruses then should have been passed by BioTest? For sure?

Because they were'nt passed by BioTest. You know better?

Hang on now, what are you talking about?

Are you talking about the weakened viruses contained in the vaccines or what?
Is the WHO investigating the vaccines now?

What about my other points?

squod · 30-11-2009 09:53PM

King Mob wrote: »

Hang on now, what are you talking about?

Are you talking about the weakened viruses contained in the vaccines or what?
Is the WHO investigating the vaccines now?

What about my other points?

FFS :rolleyes:

30-11-2009 10:05PM

squod wrote: »

FFS :rolleyes:

Yep that clears it up alright.

So let's summarize where we stand.
We have a guy who's got a similar name to a microbiologist who was arrested.
We have another anonymous guy on a website quote a doubly anonymous source who claimed alot of unverified claims.
We have vague claims about a virus that's supposedly spreading in the Ukraine about which people have jumped to the conclusion that it's somehow connected to a vaccine despite a complete lack of evidence.

Now the only thing connecting these two sets of completely unsubstantiated nonsense is that a random dude on the internet said "Ukraine" and "vaccine" in the same sentence.

Diogenes · 30-11-2009 10:10PM

squod wrote: »

This link leads to a wikki page? :rolleyes:

Oh and dear;

How many people are employed by the Secret Service?

The Secret Service employs approximately 3,200 special agents, 1,300 Uniformed Division officers, and more than 2,000 other technical, professional and administrative support personnel.

So thats 3,200 thousand Special Agents less than a thousand more than my wiki page.

Oh and my link?

Secret Service Homepage

Even if you include 1,300 uniformed officers that only gives you 4,500.

FAIL.

The vaccine contained two live viruses.

Source?

RT reports otherwise. Vaccination rates fell after the Baxter scare but are generally high in Ukraine.

RT? As in Russia Today? The Kremlin funded mouthpiece, with the conflict between Russia and Ukraine. Christ I'd bet you'd be the first person to scorn Fox News as a source, but you're happy to cite the mouthpiece of a regime openly hostile to the Ukraine as an objective source.

squod · 30-11-2009 10:14PM

King Mob wrote: »

Yep that clears it up alright.

So let's summarize where we stand.
We have a guy who's got a similar name to a microbiologist who was arrested.
We have another anonymous guy on a website quote a doubly anonymous source who claimed alot of unverified claims.
We have vague claims about a virus that's supposedly spreading in the Ukraine about which people have jumped to the conclusion that it's somehow connected to a vaccine despite a complete lack of evidence.

Now the only thing connecting these two sets of completely unsubstantiated nonsense is that a random dude on the internet said "Ukraine" and "vaccine" in the same sentence.

I've already siad this, if you're not gonna read my post then bluddy well stop asking me to respond to yours. You have obviously not read even one of my posts. Believe what you like. :rolleyes:

squod · 30-11-2009 10:16PM

Diogenes wrote: »

Source?

Already posted. As I've said if you're not gonna read my posts.............

Joseph Moshe - Arrested in LA by FBI for Going Public about Vaccine

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