Is Linux Mint Better Then Windows 7 I think so do you agree ?

Sheeps · 26-11-2009 01:27AM

mehmeh12 wrote: »

But i thought that in terms of viruses linux is more resistant-im running mint 7 with low level privileges and having a antivirus running for the small amount of known linux viruses. And im behind a router firewall and the linux ip table personal firewall. Is this not much safer that if i way say using a windows machine with IE installed?

Whilst Linux is more secure when it comes to viruses and unwanted spyware, you are most likely going to have your credit card details stolen via phishing attempts or through social engineering, which obviously has nothing to do with your operating system.

thebman · 26-11-2009 01:33AM

Sheeps wrote: »

Whilst Linux is more secure when it comes to viruses and unwanted spyware, you are most likely going to have your credit card details stolen via phishing attempts or through social engineering, which obviously has nothing to do with your operating system.

No but you can get extensions for your browser to help detect them.

Linux might help protect you against a keylogger but so should any decent anti-virus on windows.

mehmeh12 · 26-11-2009 01:33AM

Sheeps wrote: »

Whilst Linux is more secure when it comes to viruses and unwanted spyware, you are most likely going to have your credit card details stolen via phishing attempts or through social engineering, which obviously has nothing to do with your operating system.

Ok i accept your point on operating systems-so what do you do to stop your details being stolen online?

mehmeh12 · 26-11-2009 01:36AM

thebman wrote: »

No but you can get extensions for your browser to help detect them.

Linux might help protect you against a keylogger but so should any decent anti-virus on windows.

Ok ive got firefox version 3.0.15 with web of trust, link extender, no script and adblock plus.

How else can you detect phishing?

ravydavygravy · 26-11-2009 01:39AM

mehmeh12 wrote: »

To be honest the only reason im using windows as part of a dual boot configuration is so that i can play online games. And i use linux for anything that requires security-online shopping, backing up important documents etc. Is this why most people use linux?

I'd hazard a guess that *most* linux users are programmers of some kind. That's how I got into it, and thats mainly what I use it for.

TBH, If I wasn't a programmer, I'd be happy using windows or linux - either are only as secure as you make it. I'd argue that a fully patched windows machine running AVG, Firefox and some firewall is as good for day-to-day use as a linux box. I've never had a windows virus or security issue, but thats because I take care of my machine - same with my linux servers, I ensure they are patched and that common-sense precautions are followed.

ravydavygravy · 26-11-2009 01:44AM

mehmeh12 wrote: »

Ok i accept your point on operating systems-so what do you do to stop your details being stolen online?

Common sense - only use sites that use SSL, and then only use ones with valid certs. Even then, if you are unsure, look at the credentials on the site - are they PCI certified? Do they offer to store your details? Do they look dodgy? Be careful using public wifi networks - is it a reputible one, or one I'm broadcasting from my proxy laptp?

If in doubt, walk away. There are plenty of internet shops. Use reputible ones.

No operating system will protect you from being silly.

Sheeps · 26-11-2009 01:44AM

mehmeh12 wrote: »

Ok i accept your point on operating systems-so what do you do to stop your details being stolen online?

Use common sense.

Naikon · 26-11-2009 01:47AM

Sheeps wrote: »

Use common sense.

I agree with you 100% here.

Sheeps · 26-11-2009 03:45PM

betafrog wrote: »

Wow, the sh1te being spouted in this thread is incredible.

You must be confusing this thread with your post history.

RoadKillTs · 26-11-2009 03:48PM

You must be confusing this thread with your post history.

Ouch

bman · 26-11-2009 04:14PM

betafrog wrote: »

Wow, the sh1te being spouted in this thread is incredible.

Elaborate please. I'm not saying there is or isn't "****e being spouted" but I'd like your opinion on why you think there is. Debate and all that stuff.

Sheeps · 26-11-2009 04:27PM

betafrog wrote: »

Says Mr. I don't like Linux because it doesn't have Direct X or Visual Studio

How exactly is that not a valid concern when it comes to my preference in operating system?

Sheeps · 26-11-2009 04:36PM

betafrog wrote: »

Because it show's how incredibly limited your exposure is... I'm not getting into an argument with a troll (which is fairly evident considering your own post history) that has the maturity to have a "Linux is Gay" image as their signature. Quite disturbing that your a CS student, good luck in the real world of IT.

Yes, I'm trolling when I chose Windows as my primary operating system over Linux because it has DirectX and Visual Studio, that's it Einstein. It has nothing to do with the fact that APIs like DirectX and IDEs like Visual Stuido are almost industry standards for developing computer games. Unless you can actually put some weight behind your argument, you're the one looking like a troll here.

Please do forgive me for trolling by not limiting my operating system choice to Linux.

BopNiblets · 26-11-2009 06:06PM

lol internet drama!

Anyway, Mint 8 is close to stable release, they even have upgrade from Gloria instructions with all sorts of warnings not to do it, ha.
"Here's how to do this but for the love of god DON'T!"

I prefer this wallpaper to the default one btw:
http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&p=209802

Naikon · 27-11-2009 03:38AM

Sheeps wrote: »

It has nothing to do with the fact that APIs like DirectX and IDEs like Visual Stuido are almost industry standards for developing computer games. Unless you can actually put some weight behind your argument, you're the one looking like a troll here.

Visual studio and DirectX are very specialised though.
Would you be content with a sole MSN based net infrastructure?

All really innovate software that has actually shaped the industry
has not been produced by Microsoft. Re-implementation is their goal.

Your choice is still valid, but the immature attitude needs shaving.
Visual studio really isn't all it's cracked up to be.

I find VIM far superior to any IDE. It's all subjective though.
Prospective programmers should at least give it a try in fairness.

thebman · 27-11-2009 10:15AM

Naikon wrote: »

Visual studio and DirectX are very specialised though.
Would you be content with a sole MSN based net infrastructure?

All really innovate software that has actually shaped the industry
has not been produced by Microsoft. Re-implementation is their goal.

Your choice is still valid, but the immature attitude needs shaving.
Visual studio really isn't all it's cracked up to be.

I find VIM far superior to any IDE. It's all subjective though.
Prospective programmers should at least give it a try in fairness.

I find VS is the best IDE out there because everything you need is easy to find.

The problem with a lot of the other is that they don't lay things out properly or are missing features or have a very primitive form designer if your making applications with front ends.

I could go to do it all in notepad but I think VS does it a lot better. As for not innovating, I don't think thats true, Ms don't have a monopoly on development tools. They can't just sit on their marketshare in this area.

Ms main focus seems to be on team collaboration tools in Visual Studio at the moment as well as expanding c# functionality.

Stark · 27-11-2009 12:19PM

Naikon wrote: »

I find VIM far superior to any IDE. It's all subjective though.
Prospective programmers should at least give it a try in fairness.

Give me Eclipse tbh. I used to be all hardcore and use VIM but then I decided to start concentrating on the code instead.

Herbal Deity · 27-11-2009 01:49PM

How is using VIM not concentrating on the code?

Navigating through code using keyboard commands is much, much faster than having to use a mouse.

What features does Eclipse have that you use on a regular basis that aren't in vim?

Sheeps · 27-11-2009 02:57PM

Someone tell me how I can program using Directx on linux please.

aidan_walsh · 27-11-2009 03:02PM

Sheeps wrote: »

Someone tell me how I can program using Directx on linux please.

You can't (unless Wine support has drastically improved). The equivalent would be OpenGL.

Naikon · 27-11-2009 05:20PM

thebman wrote: »

As for not innovating, I don't think thats true

I am not trying to be smart, but name a tool that you think is truely
innovative, and that was actually developed by Microsoft. I count 0.

Windows 95 and the emergence of the GUI? The Xerox Palo Alto research
center was playing around with bitmapped displays back in the 1970's.
Even the Unix'es had the X windowing system back in the mid 80's.

Multitasking? That was doing the rounds back in 1969 I am afraid.
Generally, Microsoft stifles innovation. But I am not going to go on
about this rant purely because I will be flamed as the stupid Microsoft
shill/hater:rolleyes:

There are many OS's and applications to consider outside of Microsoft
and Linux. How many more software companies/products would exist
had Microsoft not held their sole monopoly?

references:
http://www.dwheeler.com/innovation/innovation.html
http://www.dwheeler.com/innovation/microsoft.html
http://www.serverwatch.com/trends/article.php/3848831/Lack-of-Innovation-a-Commonality-for-Microsoft-Apple.htm
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091111094923390
http://www.mcmillan.cx/innovation.html

thebman · 27-11-2009 06:28PM

Naikon wrote: »

I am not trying to be smart, but name a tool that you think is truely
innovative, and that was actually developed by Microsoft. I count 0.

Windows 95 and the emergence of the GUI? The Xerox Palo Alto research
center was playing around with bitmapped displays back in the 1970's.
Even the Unix'es had the X windowing system back in the mid 80's.

Multitasking? That was doing the rounds back in 1969 I am afraid.
Generally, Microsoft stifles innovation. But I am not going to go on
about this rant purely because I will be flamed as the stupid Microsoft
shill/hater:rolleyes:

There are many OS's and applications to consider outside of Microsoft
and Linux. How many more software companies/products would exist
had Microsoft not held their sole monopoly?

references:
http://www.dwheeler.com/innovation/innovation.html
http://www.dwheeler.com/innovation/microsoft.html
http://www.serverwatch.com/trends/article.php/3848831/Lack-of-Innovation-a-Commonality-for-Microsoft-Apple.htm
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091111094923390
http://www.mcmillan.cx/innovation.html

Its not about inventing the tool, its about integrating it in a useful way.

I think programming in Visual Studio is more productive than other tools. Ms only cares about getting their programmers more productive they don't care how.

I'm sure the market would be more diversified if we had more competition but we don't and I gave up talking about what if's on that issue.

Sheeps · 27-11-2009 06:37PM

aidan_walsh wrote: »

You can't (unless Wine support has drastically improved). The equivalent would be OpenGL.

I was being sarcastic.

aidan_walsh · 27-11-2009 07:01PM

Sheeps wrote: »

I was being sarcastic.

I wasn't. I did forget to mention OpenAL for audio based APIs though. Silly me.

Also these options also work great on Windows and Mac OS, so there is an even bigger audience for your applications and games.

Naikon · 27-11-2009 07:07PM

thebman wrote: »

Its not about inventing the tool, its about integrating it in a useful way.

I think programming in Visual Studio is more productive than other tools. Ms only cares about getting their programmers more productive they don't care how.

I'm sure the market would be more diversified if we had more competition but we don't and I gave up talking about what if's on that issue.

Ok, MIcrosoft does integrate their toolsets quite well. Office isn't a bad
office software stack. It's just you can't call Microsoft an innovative company.
"IT" tends to be a bit of a farce when it comes to actual innovation in fairness.

Innovation really can't be applied to integration. For example, I like integrating
servers and network equipment in my house imo. This is NOT innovation though.

It just makes me cringe a little when companies throw the "innovation"
phrase around willy nilly, similar to the way software devs or CISCO network
admins call themselves engineers. It's just wrong imo.

Naikon · 27-11-2009 07:12PM

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Also these options also work great on Windows and Mac OS

Too bad the reverse isn't true. I will only pay for games that run natively on Linux.

On the Visual studio thing, how do you quantify VS or VIM or whatever as a "great" tool? It's all subjective opinion imo.
What works for one person, does not work for another. It's as simple as that really.

On the programmer front, would it not be more rational for the programmer to decide what tools he should use?
Software patents will cause serious harm to the industry. Patenting sudo is an utter farce imo.

thebman · 27-11-2009 07:57PM

Naikon wrote: »

Ok, MIcrosoft does integrate their toolsets quite well. Office isn't a bad
office software stack. It's just you can't call Microsoft an innovative company.
"IT" tends to be a bit of a farce when it comes to actual innovation in fairness.

Innovation really can't be applied to integration. For example, I like integrating
servers and network equipment in my house imo. This is NOT innovation though.

It just makes me cringe a little when companies throw the "innovation"
phrase around willy nilly, similar to the way software devs or CISCO network
admins call themselves engineers. It's just wrong imo.

Ms don't come with stuff, they let other people do it, buy them and integrate into their solutions. It still rewards the people that came up with the idea though.

They also do come up with new ideas as they do a lot of research in areas like AI and speech recognition where they think they might actually make their money back.

You can't blame a company for that really. Are there better companies out there, probably but they do integrate their solutions so the people using them can be very productive. Visual Studio allows you to do a lot of work very fast that you couldn't do by just using Vim alone.

I'm sure Vim is fine in many situations but for what Visual Studio is primarily designed for, it is exceptionally good at. There is no one size fits all solution though as we should all know

aidan_walsh · 27-11-2009 08:11PM

Naikon wrote: »

Too bad the reverse isn't true. I will only pay for games that run natively on Linux.

On the Visual studio thing, how do you quantify VS or VIM or whatever as a "great" tool? It's all subjective opinion imo.
What works for one person, does not work for another. It's as simple as that really.

On the programmer front, would it not be more rational for the programmer to decide what tools he should use?
Software patents will cause serious harm to the industry. Patenting sudo is an utter farce imo.

Which reverse? That OpenGL doesn't work on Linux (it should) or that DirectX doesn't?

aphex™ · 27-11-2009 09:10PM

Hi Guys

I've been using Linux for years and now want to delve a little deeper and maybe help out a little with testing.

With Mint as an example, where is development centered around (URL)?

Naikon · 27-11-2009 09:26PM

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Which reverse? That OpenGL doesn't work on Linux (it should) or that DirectX doesn't?

I meant that while most open source developers port libraries such as OpenAL and SDL to
Windows, Microsoft has not ported DirectX or other major win32 libraries to Unix-like systems.

The Mono developers are trying to re-implement the .net framework on Unix with no help
from MS. OpenGL has been around since 92, and has been ported to virtually all major
modern operating systems through Mesa 3D. Even non POSIX OS's.

DirectX runs on Windows and the Xbox's of the world only.
Platform agnostic code is generally one trait of well designed software.

Is Linux Mint Better Then Windows 7 I think so do you agree ?

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