Crossing a picket line?

K-9 · 11-11-2009 03:19AM

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Describing over 800,000 people as lazy bastards is extremely ignorant and offensive.

Pride Fighter wrote: »

500,000 private sector and some unemployed people are in unions.

Do you have figures to back that up. That means 62.5% are in the Private Sector.

Unions are dying and are largely a Public Sector thing now:
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2009/11/08/story45480.asp

Overheal · 11-11-2009 03:20AM

netwhizkid wrote: »

A future CEO in the making, I respect you.

Sir I've been called a lot of things in the last few weeks - Future CEO; future Politician; future resident of Hell

Wait, these arent mutually exclusive, are they? o_0

Coriolanus · 11-11-2009 03:21AM

Doc wrote: »

And you base this on?

Prof. RS Warren,8 page study published in the Journal of Labour Research wrote:

Maximum likelihood estimates of the model indicate that union membership significantly decreased average labor productivity, holding constant the quality and mix of capital and labor and controlling for cyclical effects.

Badabing.

phantom_lord · 11-11-2009 03:23AM

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Would you prefer if everyone in a union that has lost their job to leave the country?

?

Union leadership is inept and incompetent but speaking to people in unions who are out of a job it makes one realise the best tonic we need is a job retention/creation strategy.

And what have unions got to do with that? organising national strikes is hardly the best way to create jobs.

There are many good ordinary union people in this country. When people say unions the right wing media such as RTE (Fianna Fail propaganda), Independent News and Media (owned by a foreigner with Sir in his title), lead you to believe the only people in a union are state workers.

I don't think anyone is under that impression.

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Without unions workers rights would be trod on.

don't be ridiculous. it's not 1913. unions have out lived their usefulness and now just stifle progress.

netwhizkid · 11-11-2009 03:32AM

Overheal wrote: »

Sir I've been called a lot of things in the last few weeks - Future CEO; future Politician; future resident of Hell

Wait, these arent mutually exclusive, are they? o_0

Come over to the Dark side Luke, feel the force!

Overheal · 11-11-2009 03:36AM

Nevore wrote: »

I remember that. We, at least in my area, didn't picket the schools so much as leave the schools to protest the teachers striking...

It made sense at the time damnit!

I remember they went on strike again when i got to 5th year. But I guess attitudes had changed, we were not striking like our predecessors. Which again, was fine by me, as most of us did see it not as a political agenda but an excuse for fresh air.

Agent Smith · 11-11-2009 05:52AM

What we need is some good old fashioned Strike breakers, Like the ones in the 30's...

I'd Arrest any striking worker who intimidated or tried to stop someone going to work.

congo_90 · 11-11-2009 06:27AM

fook the cry babies. If i'm not part of a union or im delivering goods then the latter is outside working dispute. Thats like saying bord gais should shut down gas supply to a company due to strike. fook that. Some of us still have work and regardless of strike will do so. If I work for the company as a noob and not on the union then above rules apply. I'm not part of it and unless it affects me then tough shi* Let the lickarses/ scabs through... guess who will have a job in 6months in comparision to those who are in a union.. yes you stand outside not earning a cent. If you were really that concerned then resort to somthing other than a glorified day off.

I'd never subscribe to a sign post day off. Paid or not. If i'm not happy wiht my work I negotiate some sort of deal or move to a better company. At least threaten moving my skills.

The sooner people realise they are not tied to said job the better. What has ever come of protesting? Look at taxis. They prostested and god nothing but negative feedback.

minidazzler · 11-11-2009 07:29AM

Does anyone know what Security Company will be doing Strike Breaking when this comes about.....I wanna get me in on that action!!!

Esel · 11-11-2009 07:40AM

monkeyfudge wrote: »

I just thought picketing the entire building was a bit out of order.

I'm slightly confused. How do you picket part of a building?

Bandit12 · 11-11-2009 08:54AM

Not in a million years. I would'nt be able to look myself in the mirrior if i did.

Ste.phen · 11-11-2009 10:55AM

Wow, there's a lot of hysterics here on both sides, madness.

My own answer has been seen a few times: Depends on why they're picketing.
I've seen stupid union strikes making things worse for everyone, and i've also seen employers treat staff terribly and given just cause for strikes.

nice1franko · 11-11-2009 11:11AM

Any answer other than "depends on why they're picketing" is thick.

Each case has to be judged on its own merit.

Sleepy · 11-11-2009 11:21AM

In Ireland, I'd almost certainly happily moonwalk past a picket line. In a country without our strong workers rights I might not be so quick to cross - depends on what the workers were striking over.

stovelid · 11-11-2009 11:24AM

I can't think of many situations where I would cross a picket line. Certainly never if it was my colleagues.

11-11-2009 12:09PM

Currently unemployed, if I got a job even for a little bit of cash you're damn right I'm crossing.

11-11-2009 01:04PM

papachango wrote: »

The legislation is there, NOBODY needs a union, just a good solicitor.

Would you agree that the reason the legislation is there is in no small part attributable to the hard work put in over the years by the Unions?

esel wrote: »

I'm slightly confused. How do you picket part of a building?

Boots had a notice in yesterdays papers about strikes happening. There's a Boots in the Jervis Centre in town (Dublin), so, in theory, they could just picket outside that shop, rather than the entire shopping centre.

RustyNut · 11-11-2009 01:34PM

congo_90 wrote: »

What has ever come of protesting?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi

Mad_Max · 11-11-2009 02:04PM

Yep, If I wanted to, I'd do it without so much as a moments thought.

I'm as free to cross as they are to strike.

MementoMori · 11-11-2009 02:35PM

Interesting to read this as I didn't cross a picket line last week but that was due to the fact that my mother was with me and she wouldn't.

[It was to do with the jarveys striking outside Killarney National Park because they don't want to have their horses wear diaper/nappies and the National Park are excluding them from the National Park until they do so]

Surprised and kinda disappointed that the vast majority people didn't vote for "depends on the circumstance"

Surely a huge amount depends on the circumstances of the strike in some cases you have evil companies who are just screwing people over while in other cases you have people striking over extremely trivial reasons {see above}

Probably indicative of the current status unions have in the country.

mikemac · 11-11-2009 03:09PM

I shopped in Argos when the staff were demanding higher wages and picketing the shop
That was 2008 I believe.

Never worked for a company that had a strike, not sure what I'd do

time42play · 11-11-2009 03:44PM

One company I worked for had a strike and I walked in past the picketers every day. I wasn't giving up my paycheck for their desired pay rise.

mikemac · 11-11-2009 03:49PM

time42play wrote: »

One company I worked for had a strike and I walked in past the picketers every day. I wasn't giving up my paycheck for their desired pay rise.

Did people shout at you? Call you scab?
Or ignore you when everyone went back to work the next day?

Just interested to know, fear of this is what keeps a lot of people from crossing a picket line.
So fair play for doing what you wanted to do, not everyone is as brave

time42play · 11-11-2009 04:14PM

No, nothing like that happened. But most of my department was not in the union, so we were somewhat isolated from the strikers. Not to mention that my workday was 6.30 am to 3.00 pm so there weren't many about at those hours! We also spent so much time trying to work around the union members that relations were never on a friendly basis anyway.

papachango · 11-11-2009 07:04PM

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Describing over 800,000 people as lazy bastards is extremely ignorant and offensive.

You're point being? I was at the wrong end of plenty of strikes which were IMO unjustified and just based on greed/laziness. I was out of pocket and indeed missed two holidays because of Aer Lingus strikes alone. One was my first holiday in four years!
As regards the PS strikes, give me a break! I find their 'justification' for striking as extremely ignorant and offensive so I stand by my 'fair comment'.
I must add that there is no reason to join a union except protectionism and holding the country to ransom. Unions should be abolished. Period.

papachango · 11-11-2009 07:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Would you agree that the reason the legislation is there is in no small part attributable to the hard work put in over the years by the Unions?.

Eh No. I would say it is mostly down to the ILO.

Overheal · 11-11-2009 07:37PM

esel wrote: »

I'm slightly confused. How do you picket part of a building?

The same way you paint Half a Wall

Esel · 12-11-2009 03:17AM

MementoMori wrote: »

It was to do with the jarveys striking outside Killarney National Park because they don't want to have their horses wear diaper/nappies and the National Park are excluding them from the National Park until they do so.

That's horsesh!t, tbh.

Pride Fighter · 12-11-2009 03:22AM

papachango wrote: »

You're point being? I was at the wrong end of plenty of strikes which were IMO unjustified and just based on greed/laziness. I was out of pocket and indeed missed two holidays because of Aer Lingus strikes alone. One was my first holiday in four years!
As regards the PS strikes, give me a break! I find their 'justification' for striking as extremely ignorant and offensive so I stand by my 'fair comment'.
I must add that there is no reason to join a union except protectionism and holding the country to ransom. Unions should be abolished. Period.

Germany 1939.

Run_to_da_hills · 12-11-2009 07:57AM

Once a scab always a scab and its hereditary. :eek:

Crossing a picket line?

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