2012 return of the hidden planet?

mysterious · 03-11-2009 10:35PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

In that case it's not a star at all but a Gas Giant like Jupiter and Saturn. Someone with a modest telescope of 10 to 12 inches can see Pluto under good conditions and that is only 2,400km in diameter (about the distance from London to Moscow) so this 'star/planet' you speak of similar in size to Saturn would have a diameter of 60,000km and would be visible in a pair of binoculors to anyone and amateur astronomers would have easily seen it at this stage.

We will when it comes closer to our solar system. It is a long eclipitcal orbit that goes as far Canis major and Sirius.

namloc1980 · 03-11-2009 10:42PM

mysterious wrote: »

We will when it comes closer to our solar system. It is a long eclipitcal orbit that goes as far Canis major and Sirius.

:eek: Sirius is 8.6 LIGHT YEARS away!! Some orbit

If the star/planet thing is only 3 years away from us how far away is it now at this moment?

BTW Canis Major is a constellation and all it's component stars are at very different distances from the earth and each other!

koHd · 03-11-2009 10:53PM

Mysterious, where did you gain such a knowledge of astronomy?

What is your area of expertise of all the subjects you would have a knowledge of?

mysterious · 03-11-2009 11:06PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

:eek: Sirius is 8.6 LIGHT YEARS away!! Some orbit

If the star/planet thing is only 3 years away from us how far away is it now at this moment?

BTW Canis Major is a constellation and all it's component stars are at very different distances from the earth and each other!

Look I do respect all your questioning. I would like to know the whole truth I want you to know the whole truth. And we can find the whole truth if we just take a deep breath and try figure it out. I had asked an astronomer on another forum and he found this theory of mine very interesting. Through my own research and channellings I recieved from my higher self and other beings. They gave me some visions that Nibru was put here by the G.F and this was done to create evolution on our world and solar system. Our solar system was inhabited for a very long time before us aswell. Nibru is populated by mixed humanioid races who are called the fallen or nephilim. Famously known as the Annunaki. This dark star travels to Canis major and Siirus. I have heard that it passes near Alpha centauri, though I can't quote that. Sirius as you know is a binary and the third theorised star is Sirius C. Sirius C cannot be seen because Sirius C is mistaken for our own dark star. This is my own channelling and perspective. I have said this on another forum, and to my surprise others too have confirmed this. The other fact people need to realise, the ancients such as the dogon tribe knew that Sirius was a binary star., It's quoted in the koran also. I will look for the link and post it. The dogon tribe didn't have telescopes, so the question is how did they know what we didn't? If you do some research you will find the ancients knew a lot of things about the cosmos that we are only beginning to find out now. This is why I always say science is flawed, because whule science is trying to find proof, someone already knows it ions ago. Maybe we are really taking the mayas for granted?

I asked the astronomer on that forum who was interested in the Nibru theory to do the calculations. So if this is all true, can any mathematician calculate what speed it may be going if it has an orbit that loops to Sirius and our own star. It is said it takes 3,600 years to do a full orbit. So is there a way of knowing when it would arrive or how fast it would go.

Thanks in advanced.

mysterious · 03-11-2009 11:12PM

koHd wrote: »

Mysterious, where did you gain such a knowledge of astronomy?

What is your area of expertise of all the subjects you would have a knowledge of?

My expertise is ensuring humanity ascends to the 5th dimension. I expected to be bashed but 'm not interested in making myself known, or making money for trying to bring the truth out. I will stay behind scenes and spread truth in the best of my own abiilty. I get my knowing from allowing my higher self to be intouch with my lower physical self. We all have this within us. All the expertise I have is natural within me as in you.

You know many of us may not know where we are going, or know what the future holds with this planet as it hurtles through space. But I know one thing, we have a future and a very different future if we seek it out allow inner truth to come to the surface of all this deception. The deception will continue and we will be pushed into doubt. But I do hope whatever my research has shown wil be something positive.

koHd · 03-11-2009 11:26PM

mysterious wrote: »

My expertise is ensuring humanity ascends to the 5th dimension. I expected to be bashed but 'm not interested in making myself known, or making money for trying to bring the truth out. I will stay behind scenes and spread truth in the best of my own abiilty. I get my knowing from allowing my higher self to be intouch with my lower physical self. We all have this within us. All the expertise I have is natural within me as in you.

You know many of us may not know where we are going, or know what the future holds with this planet as it hurtles through space. But I know one thing, we have a future and a very different future if we seek it out allow inner truth to come to the surface of all this deception. The deception will continue and we will be pushed into doubt. But I do hope whatever my research has shown wil be something positive.

Do you have a blog or anything like that?

Do you plan on releasing your research for everybody to read?

namloc1980 · 03-11-2009 11:28PM

mysterious wrote: »

Look I do respect all your questioning. I would like to know the whole truth I want you to know the whole truth. And we can find the whole truth if we just take a deep breath and try figure it out. I had asked an astronomer on another forum and he found this theory of mine very interesting. Through my own research and channellings I recieved from my higher self and other beings. They gave me some visions that Nibru was put here by the G.F and this was done to create evolution on our world and solar system. Our solar system was inhabited for a very long time before us aswell. Nibru is populated by mixed humanioid races who are called the fallen or nephilim. Famously known as the Annunaki. This dark star travels to Canis major and Siirus. I have heard that it passes near Alpha centauri, though I can't quote that. Sirius as you know is a binary and the third theorised star is Sirius C. Sirius C cannot be seen because Sirius C is mistaken for our own dark star. This is my own channelling and perspective. I have said this on another forum, and to my surprise others too have confirmed this. The other fact people need to realise, the ancients such as the dogon tribe knew that Sirius was a binary star., It's quoted in the koran also. I will look for the link and post it. The dogon tribe didn't have telescopes, so the question is how did they know what we didn't? If you do some research you will find the ancients knew a lot of things about the cosmos that we are only beginning to find out now. This is why I always say science is flawed, because whule science is trying to find proof, someone already knows it ions ago. Maybe we are really taking the mayas for granted?

I asked the astronomer on that forum who was interested in the Nibru theory to do the calculations. So if this is all true, can any mathematician calculate what speed it may be going if it has an orbit that loops to Sirius and our own star. It is said it takes 3,600 years to do a full orbit. So is there a way of knowing when it would arrive or how fast it would go.

Thanks in advanced.

A quick calculation assuming it travels in a straight line would require a constant speed of over 5,000,000 km per hour for 3,600 years to get from Sun to Sirius and back again. Of course an orbit isn't a straight line and also there would be movements in the positions of the stars so you could be talking up to 10,000,000 km per hour. I'm not sure but I doubt a planetary body could maintain cohesion at those speeds. Also it is difficult to imagine a body orbiting both the Sun and Sirius at the same time. One of the stars would capture the body into it's own gravity at some point.

Besides that how can a humanoid race live on a planet which spends most of it's time in interstellar space with no light, heat etc???

Also your assertion would mean that this planet was here only 3,600 years ago. Civilisation and humanity survived that so nothing to worry about is there?

mysterious · 04-11-2009 12:37AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

A quick calculation assuming it travels in a straight line would require a constant speed of over 5,000,000 km per hour for 3,600 years to get from Sun to Sirius and back again. Of course an orbit isn't a straight line and also there would be movements in the positions of the stars so you could be talking up to 10,000,000 km per hour. I'm not sure but I doubt a planetary body could maintain cohesion at those speeds. Also it is difficult to imagine a body orbiting both the Sun and Sirius at the same time. One of the stars would capture the body into it's own gravity at some point.

Besides that how can a humanoid race live on a planet which spends most of it's time in interstellar space with no light, heat etc???

Also your assertion would mean that this planet was here only 3,600 years ago. Civilisation and humanity survived that so nothing to worry about is there?

They are millions years ahead of us. They use gold and other potent minerals to protect their athmosphere. They inhabit many planets and not just Nibru. There is 5 other planets orbiting their dark star. Bob Dean says there athmosphere keeps the heat in. If you had inside information in NASA, would know there is life on every planet in our solar system. Venus, Mars, Juptier, Saturn and their moons. But thats another topic if people want to bring it up on here. The speed of the star would be going fast. How fast does our sun travel at. I have to say I'm not good with the figures. But If I had the time I would work it out. Do you have first hand info as to how fast our star travels at. Stars travel at far greater speeds than planetary bodies go.

I will get the info from the astronomer I spoken too. Thanks for your analogy.

namloc1980 · 04-11-2009 01:10AM

mysterious wrote: »

They are millions years ahead of us. They use gold and other potent minerals to protect their athmosphere. They inhabit many planets and not just Nibru. There is 5 other planets orbiting their dark star. Bob Dean says there athmosphere keeps the heat in. If you had inside information in NASA, would know there is life on every planet in our solar system. Venus, Mars, Juptier, Saturn and their moons. But thats another topic if people want to bring it up on here. The speed of the star would be going fast. How fast does our sun travel at. I have to say I'm not good with the figures. But If I had the time I would work it out. Do you have first hand info as to how fast our star travels at. Stars travel at far greater speeds than planetary bodies go.

I will get the info from the astronomer I spoken too. Thanks for your analogy.

Well I would rather go with physics and chemistry than the ramblings of Bob Dean. I mean gold is nothing more than a metal, how can a metal protect an atmosphere?

Speed in the universe is relative to everything else. The planets move relative to the sun, which moves relative to the galaxy, which moves relative to the other galaxies in the vicinity. It is estimated that the Sun orbits the the Galactic centre at 780,000 km per hour. Nibiru would have to move at up to 10,000,000 km per hour to get from Sun to Sirius and back again in 3,600 years. :eek:

Also the Koran says nothing about Sirius being a binary system...I presume the piece you are referring to is "He was two bow-lengths away or even closer." It takes some pretty imaginative interpretation to translate that into "Sirius is a binary star system."

04-11-2009 01:16AM

mysterious wrote: »

They are millions years ahead of us. They use gold and other potent minerals to protect their athmosphere.

Isn't gold really shiny?
And wouldn't an atmosphere with gold floating about in it also be shiny?
Wouldn't that make Nibiru even easier to see?

Hootanany · 04-11-2009 01:22AM

Why can we not see The Dark side of the Moon can we not send a Shuttle to look at it

namloc1980 · 04-11-2009 01:25AM

Hootanany wrote: »

Why can we not see The Dark side of the Moon can we not send a Shuttle to look at it

Shuttle can't go beyond low earth orbit.

Far side of the moon has been photographed by Russian, American, Indian etc robotic spacecraft and Apollo manned spacecraft since the 1960's. Plenty of photos on the net of it.

off topic as well.

Hootanany · 04-11-2009 01:30AM

Sos any links
But Nibiru is made up by Erik Von Dankin how can a Planet be undetected for so long only last week they saw light from a Star 13 Billions light years away

Hootanany · 04-11-2009 01:38AM

Lot of straight lines there

04-11-2009 01:42AM

Hootanany wrote: »

Lot of straight lines there

Because it's a mosaic of images?

namloc1980 · 04-11-2009 01:43AM

Hootanany wrote: »

Lot of straight lines there

What do you mean by that??

It's a composite of 50,000 seperate images

DigiGal · 04-11-2009 01:46AM

mysterious wrote: »

We will when it comes closer to our solar system. It is a long eclipitcal orbit that goes as far Canis major and Sirius.

I get what you are saying about a binary star but I don't think the suns mass and gravitational pull is large enough to hold such an orbit. I can't be positive but I'm pretty sure it aint possible.

DigiGal · 04-11-2009 01:49AM

mysterious wrote: »

Then NASA must have a lot of time on their hands making it up in the first place. As for saying no evidence you are clearly mistaken. It's easy to say that when you don't look in the cupboards. But the question is did you look hard enough? before making this claim?

I presume you have a cosmology/science/astronomy background then yes?

Hootanany · 04-11-2009 01:50AM

Sorry did not know that so is it the same with Mars i know off topic again

namloc1980 · 04-11-2009 01:53AM

Hootanany wrote: »

Sorry did not know that so is it the same with Mars i know off topic again

yeah spacecraft orbiting it at present producing stunning images MRO is here Mars Express is here Rovers here

mysterious · 04-11-2009 04:49AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Well I would rather go with physics and chemistry than the ramblings of Bob Dean. I mean gold is nothing more than a metal, how can a metal protect an atmosphere?

Speed in the universe is relative to everything else. The planets move relative to the sun, which moves relative to the galaxy, which moves relative to the other galaxies in the vicinity. It is estimated that the Sun orbits the the Galactic centre at 780,000 km per hour. Nibiru would have to move at up to 10,000,000 km per hour to get from Sun to Sirius and back again in 3,600 years. :eek:

Also the Koran says nothing about Sirius being a binary system...I presume the piece you are referring to is "He was two bow-lengths away or even closer." It takes some pretty imaginative interpretation to translate that into "Sirius is a binary star system."

Yeah I know people go with the educations systems, the systems that keeps us indocrinated and keep guessing about the universe we exist in.

But "There are people" out "there" who have worked inside the system and know the truth. But you made the decision to accept the systems view of reality. That is your choice and I respect that, but I don't think it's acceptable to just disrespect people who are out there to get this info. While the system you follow is lieing to us. They lie all the time. The reality we are still dependant on, it seems like a vicious circle. I find this to be way off balance.
If we keep this pattern up we will die like our parents and grandparents with the same doubts and questions as they had. Otherwise known as repeating history.

Remember this. While you are waiting for astronomers, chemistry and physics experts to tell you that Sirius was a binary star(as they only recently discovered), The dogon tribe knew it was a binary long before "the system". While many people inside NASA know our star is a binary and we keep waiting for NASA to tell us what we don't know, we will die waiting. This is the reality we are living and we are the blame for it, not NASA. We will die waiting to be someone or discover something, because we are giving our power and responsiblity away to systems and powers structures that don't value our lives.

Bob dean is a very respected intellegent man, and to say hes rambling is downright rude. He has risked his life to spread the truth hes almost 80 years of age. At least Bob dean is out there trying to get truth out to humanity. I'm sorry but you have lost my attention from this point forward. It was great to hear your earlier insights.

04-11-2009 06:25AM

mysterious wrote: »

Remember this. While you are waiting for astronomers, chemistry and physics experts to tell you that Sirius was a binary star(as they only recently discovered),

1862 is recent?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius#Discovery_of_a_companion

mysterious wrote: »

The dogon tribe knew it was a binary long before "the system".

Funnily enough the first time this claim popped up was in the 30's well after astronomers discovered Sirius B.
There is no evidence what so ever the Dogon people had knowledge of Sirius B before 1844.

In fact the Dogon people actually refer to Sirius as having 3 stars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogon_people.

mysterious wrote: »

While many people inside NASA know our star is a binary and we keep waiting for NASA to tell us what we don't know, we will die waiting.

So why can't they provide some substantial evidence for the existence of Nibiru?
Like a photo? Or some data showing the effects of it's gravity?
Or maybe a location in the sky so we can go look at it?

mysterious · 04-11-2009 06:58AM

King Mob wrote: »

1862 is recent?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius#Discovery_of_a_companion

Funnily enough the first time this claim popped up was in the 30's well after astronomers discovered Sirius B.
There is no evidence what so ever the Dogon people had knowledge of Sirius B before 1844.

In fact the Dogon people actually refer to Sirius as having 3 stars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogon_people.

And you will be waiting for NASA to tell you the third one!

The claim didn't come up in the 30s. The dogon tribe weren't around the times of the great economic depression! Just wanted to correct that. Just because you heard that claim or you take someone else's claim that the dogon tribe knew this, but it's been known for a very long time.

The mayas also knew our planet was round and orbited our sun as well as orbiting our galaxy. They know other things too.;)

koHd · 04-11-2009 12:03PM

mysterious wrote: »

Yeah I know people go with the educations systems, the systems that keeps us indocrinated and keep guessing about the universe we exist in.

But "There are people" out "there" who have worked inside the system and know the truth. But you made the decision to accept the systems view of reality. That is your choice and I respect that, but I don't think it's acceptable to just disrespect people who are out there to get this info. While the system you follow is lieing to us. They lie all the time. The reality we are still dependant on, it seems like a vicious circle. I find this to be way off balance.

Dude. I don't know if you are doing it on purpose or not but you are insulting people that have dedicated their life to studying these things.

You can say you respect peoples decisions to "accept the systems view of reality" all you want. It's not covering up the fact that you are saying these people that have dedicated their life to studying astronomy, physics etc. are totally clueless.

The stance you are taking is so easy.

You're making up your own rules and if you're wrong about something you simply say that the experts knowledge is wrong because there is a system in place to teach fake information and create stupid scientists?

You complain that people are trying to belittle your credibility and knowledge, yet in almost every post you write, you belittle almost every intelligent person on this planet that has actually spent the time to master an area such as astronomy or physics.

I enjoy your posts. But you need to cut that bit out.

rameire · 04-11-2009 01:50PM

mysterious wrote: »

I asked the astronomer on that forum who was interested in the Nibru theory to do the calculations. So if this is all true, can any mathematician calculate what speed it may be going if it has an orbit that loops to Sirius and our own star. It is said it takes 3,600 years to do a full orbit. So is there a way of knowing when it would arrive or how fast it would go.

Thanks in advanced.

a light year is
5,878,630,000,000 miles
the distance that you are talking is 8.6 light years
so one way is 50,556,218,000,000 miles
if you are talking an orbit which is then twice this at
101,112,436,000,000 miles to do a full orbit.
and it takes 3600 years to do this so it needs to travel at
28,086,787,777 miles a year
that is 28 Billion ( with a BIG B ) miles.
so at that speed it will never be seen, thats why nobody can see it and never will see it.
thats about 3,206,254 miles an hour if im correct.

04-11-2009 02:09PM

mysterious wrote: »

And you will be waiting for NASA to tell you the third one!

So you're now claiming that Sirius is in fact a trinary system?
Despite the last two pages of you calling it a binary?

mysterious wrote: »

The claim didn't come up in the 30s. The dogon tribe weren't around the times of the great economic depression!

Yea they were.

When do you think this claim was first made?

mysterious wrote: »

Just wanted to correct that. Just because you heard that claim or you take someone else's claim that the dogon tribe knew this, but it's been known for a very long time.

Ok and how do you know it's been known for a long time.
Just because you heard that claim doesn't make it true.

mysterious wrote: »

The mayas also knew our planet was round and orbited our sun as well as orbiting our galaxy. They know other things too.;)

Ok you realise you have to back up what you are saying right?
Cause otherwise it just looks like you are making stuff up.

How do you know the Mayans believed the earth was round and orbited the sun?

6th · 04-11-2009 02:41PM

koHd wrote: »

Dude. I don't know if you are doing it on purpose or not but you are insulting people that have dedicated their life to studying these things.

You can say you respect peoples decisions to "accept the systems view of reality" all you want. It's not covering up the fact that you are saying these people that have dedicated their life to studying astronomy, physics etc. are totally clueless.

The stance you are taking is so easy.

You're making up your own rules and if you're wrong about something you simply say that the experts knowledge is wrong because there is a system in place to teach fake information and create stupid scientists?

You complain that people are trying to belittle your credibility and knowledge, yet in almost every post you write, you belittle almost every intelligent person on this planet that has actually spent the time to master an area such as astronomy or physics.

I enjoy your posts. But you need to cut that bit out.

This is getting close to being personal. Discuss the posts by all means but if you wish to comment about how a person posts I suggest you discuss that with them via PM.

namloc1980 · 04-11-2009 07:17PM

mysterious wrote: »

Yeah I know people go with the educations systems, the systems that keeps us indocrinated and keep guessing about the universe we exist in.

But "There are people" out "there" who have worked inside the system and know the truth. But you made the decision to accept the systems view of reality. That is your choice and I respect that, but I don't think it's acceptable to just disrespect people who are out there to get this info. While the system you follow is lieing to us. They lie all the time. The reality we are still dependant on, it seems like a vicious circle. I find this to be way off balance.
If we keep this pattern up we will die like our parents and grandparents with the same doubts and questions as they had. Otherwise known as repeating history.

Remember this. While you are waiting for astronomers, chemistry and physics experts to tell you that Sirius was a binary star(as they only recently discovered), The dogon tribe knew it was a binary long before "the system". While many people inside NASA know our star is a binary and we keep waiting for NASA to tell us what we don't know, we will die waiting. This is the reality we are living and we are the blame for it, not NASA. We will die waiting to be someone or discover something, because we are giving our power and responsiblity away to systems and powers structures that don't value our lives.

Bob dean is a very respected intellegent man, and to say hes rambling is downright rude. He has risked his life to spread the truth hes almost 80 years of age. At least Bob dean is out there trying to get truth out to humanity. I'm sorry but you have lost my attention from this point forward. It was great to hear your earlier insights.

You are disrespecting everyone who believes in actual science by saying they are indoctrinated but besides that Sirius was discovered to have a companion in the middle of the 19th Century.

An American called Alvan Graham Clark directly observed Sirius B in 1862. The Dogon tribe only came on the scene in the 1930's, nearly 70 years later.

Also why are you suggesting NASA is keeping it secret that our Sun has a companion star?? What about all the other space agencies in the world, what about every amateur anstronomer in the world, or every astrophysicist, or every University....are they all keeping it a big secret as well?

Your failure to answer any of the questions posed about this theory in the previous posts gives it very little credibility. Why can't we see this second star coming at us? In the above image of Sirius A & B we can see the companion star and that is 8.6 light years away...our supposed companion would be much closer? Are you able to answer any of the points raised?

mysterious · 05-11-2009 12:56AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

You are disrespecting everyone who believes in actual science by saying they are indoctrinated but besides that Sirius was discovered to have a companion in the middle of the 19th Century.

An American called Alvan Graham Clark directly observed Sirius B in 1862. The Dogon tribe only came on the scene in the 1930's, nearly 70 years later.

Also why are you suggesting NASA is keeping it secret that our Sun has a companion star?? What about all the other space agencies in the world, what about every amateur anstronomer in the world, or every astrophysicist, or every University....are they all keeping it a big secret as well?

Your failure to answer any of the questions posed about this theory in the previous posts gives it very little credibility. Why can't we see this second star coming at us? In the above image of Sirius A & B we can see the companion star and that is 8.6 light years away...our supposed companion would be much closer? Are you able to answer any of the points raised?

To be quite frank I don't care if it hurts or offends any of you that the Sirius star was known to be a Binary/Trinary star before mainstream science. I don't think its relevant either.

There are people who know things and have brought knowledge down through the ages. You dont need a degree or be a scientist to know certain things. I find this way of looking down at others to be arrogance.

You took a shot at Bob Dean and accussed him of consistent rambling or babblings. That is offensive and downright not true. Now your just making excuses and trying to direct attention of it. If you actually did research on him you would not be saying ignorant comments at some of these very respectable people out there. Seriously nobody crossed the line of disrespect but yourself on that one.

They are many things modern science are only beginning to understand that the ancients already knew. Just because your not aware of it, doesn't mean you can ridicule people.

http://www.crystalinks.com/dogon.html

http://www.siriuslink.com/brightest.php

mysterious · 05-11-2009 01:07AM

rameire wrote: »

a light year is
5,878,630,000,000 miles
the distance that you are talking is 8.6 light years
so one way is 50,556,218,000,000 miles
if you are talking an orbit which is then twice this at
101,112,436,000,000 miles to do a full orbit.
and it takes 3600 years to do this so it needs to travel at
28,086,787,777 miles a year
that is 28 Billion ( with a BIG B ) miles.
so at that speed it will never be seen, thats why nobody can see it and never will see it.
thats about 3,206,254 miles an hour if im correct.

Well there must be a way of knowing or getting defeninte figures to know what speed its going in facts. Thank you for your mathmatican skills. It's also can go at this speed. I'm sure they are stars going at greater speeds than Our dark star. Since it's flung right out into empty space.

I believe our companion star creates evolution on our solar system. TPTB and illuminati are the ones who survived the last great shift. The daugher civilzations of the fallen one, Atlantis would have perished as it did 13,000 years ago. This 13,000 year time phrase is from The age of Leo to Aquarius which is what we are now in. 10,980 BC is the age of Leo. This the fall of Atlantis. From my perspective this is why Egypt and the Mayas built pyramids and were time keepers. Therefore knew about Duat(red destroyers) Which is what they called it in Egypt.

NASA been privatley owned knows all about this and when the our binary comes again. But if we all knew about it, we would be able to deplete the power system and be at par with them in preparation. The whole world would have to rebuild itself when the times comes. So it makes perfect sense TPTB are not informing us. It also makes sense that some us of us will not believe this because we haven't been told our true history. If more than 80% of stars are binary than we have a far greater evidence of having on than not having one. There is also a lot of truth to NASA hiding this info from us as I've explained above.

It's coming as to when I don't know. But I'd rather be prepared then sitting around living in some pipe dream thinking and not changing my reality.

2012 return of the hidden planet?

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