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fell for a online scam

  • 02-11-2009 12:56PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭


    hi there

    i have just got off the phone to my credit card company after them telling me that cancelling my card will do no good against stopping a recurring charge that i will be getting every month.. let me begin at the start..

    yesterday i came across an acai berry (for training) site offering free trial if you just pay for shipping, now, i know if its seems to good to be true it probably is, and i have never fallen for a scam in my 15 years as an internet user.. but was duped by this one.. anyway after signing up for the free trial i then found a few sites where people were saying they have been signed up to a monthy fee for 60 quid or something.. and to try cancel is near imposable, oversea's callcenters and endless queuing and transfers only to find out you have to jump through a load of hoops to get out of the membership.. and by the time you get to cancel hundreds have been charged to your card...

    now heres the thing.. i only signed up yesterday and i want to stop it all before the wheels are in motion so i called to cancel my card.. they told me that canceling my card is useless i need to contact any companies that have my details one by one and cancel with them, and that even if i cancel my card they can still charge me.. i feel kinda trapped now and expect to have a pretty rough few weeks/months ahead.. surely there is a way i can cancel a payment from going through? and block further payments from that same company??

    any advise would be great cos i feel like im about to be rode here!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    My card was skimmed in the states while I was on holidays. I wasn't aware of it until about 8 months later, one day several charges to Macy's and Radioshack in Florida appeared on my online banking.
    Obviously I was here. And not there. Rang the credit card company and cancelled it. No problem, done on the spot. And the charges were blocked that day and I was repaid by the company the next day.They also told me that whoever had the details tried to make several other transactions in the following days, but they were blocked aswell. In the States it's not chip and pin, it's signature only, so it was easy to take someone's name and credit card number, and then add a signature.
    I'm not sure what credit card company you're with, but what you're being told sounds way off.How would you cancel it if it was stolen? Ring every company that has your number that you've ever used and cancel it with them? Or something?
    If I were you I'd be ringing back and telling them outright you just want it cancelled.Bottom line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 DEEDEE30


    Both the situations are very different. The op signed over his card details willingly so there's very little the credit card company can do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭dearg lady


    Yeah, I know when I cancelled my credit card after it was stolen they asked me several times, did I have recurring charges on it, I'd say cancel the card anyway, and see how that pans out.
    If you actually signed up to pay the charges(however well they have it hidden!!') then I guess you'd be liable. Where is the company based? If they're abroad I guess they're less likely to come after you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭trowelled


    The very same thing happened my mam and sister not too long ago. They fell into the trap too. Unfortunately, cancelling the card will do no good as they will still be able to charge you and you will be liable for these charges. My mam and siter are with two different banks and both told them that. The best thing to do is to get on to the companies. It was a painful process for them both but it was the only way to stop the charges. Be persistent with them and tell them that you only signed up for a trial period and other no circumstances should your card be charged anymore.

    The company my mam and sister was dealing with was based in America. The "customer service" folk tried their best to fob them off but they were tough with them and told them thier banks were dealing with the matter and should any more charges incur legal advice shall be sought and so on. Just be tough with them and don't take any of their crap. In the end it didn't take too long in getting back the money and for all charges to be stopped. Better to do it now. My sister's bank were extremely helpful and if I remember correctly sent a letter to this company on her behalf. My mam's weren't so helpful but she still got the money back in the end and hasn't been charged since.

    Also be aware they'll probably also tell you that they've already sent out the next months supply. That it's already been shipped and that you will therefore have to pay for it. Don't accept this. Tell them you didn't ask for it that you only signed up for a months trial and should an order arrive you'll be shipping it straight back and will be demanding a refund!

    Hope this is of help


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭bSlick


    Just ring up your credit card company and say it wasn't you that signed up for this 'free trial' and that you want it cancelled.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Tuesday_Girl


    This was covered on the Joe Duffy show the other day, loads of people rang in to say they had been scammed in the same way. Not sure what advice was given but you might be able to find the podcast on his site and play it back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    i called them back and explained all about the scam and they have now blocked my card, canceled payment and i have faxed in to have the card cancelled.. the guy i was speaking to seemed way nicer than the first person.. he said he has seen this before, he was able to find the names of the companies that were putting the charges through and has blocked them from charging me again... i hope this is the end of it.. he said he is sending me a new card and that my fax will be enough to cancel that card that was used in the scam...

    i really do hope thats the end of it.. still feel like a dope for falling for it :-(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 44 JackieT


    If the company does end up trying to charge you, contact your card issuer (typically your bank) and state that the transaction was never authorised, and ask for a CC chargeback.

    It's then up to the bank to research whether the chargeback is valid or not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 652 ✭✭✭jeckle


    I'd suggest going through the site & finding the terms & conditions regarding how to cancel. Take a screenshot or print them out.. Follow the cancellation instructions exactly, even if it means making an overseas call. Take screenshots of everything as you are doing it.

    It is probably too late to cancel the first shipment included in your free trial, so will will probably have to just accept that, but if your account is not cancelled & they continue to charge you, the screenshots & a printout of the terms & conditions should be enough for the credit card company to either do a chargeback or to block the company from debiting your credit card account.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 652 ✭✭✭jeckle


    bSlick wrote:
    Just ring up your credit card company and say it wasn't you that signed up for this 'free trial' and that you want it cancelled.
    I doubt very much if that would work because

    1) The credit card company will already have a record of the phone call the OP made, so they are aware that it was the OP who entered the card details & so the information would be conflicting. They won't fall for that one.

    2) More than likely the OP would have been asked to supply a CVV number, so the first transaction has already been authorised by the credit card company.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,398 ✭✭✭MIN2511


    Me three!!!

    It has cost me €115 and the bank won't charge it back because i signed up for it :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    i plan on sending the free trials back as soon as they arrive..

    the small print on the sites say that you must send the free trialls back within 14 days to cancel, so i will do this and whatever else is needed, probably a phone call or 12!! i will post the sites URL's when i get home tonight as i am in work now and don't have them handy.. i have been feeling sick all day over this, and haven't been able to focus on anything in work.. so annoyed at myself!!!

    and to add insult to injury i signed up to 3 of them cos the site i was directed from said you need to order one free trial for when you wake up, another for when you eating lunch and one for when you work out... so i have to do it all in triplicate :-(

    i just want to get this sorted asap, cos i dont need this going on over xmas..

    Be Aware folks..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,115 ✭✭✭✭Nervous Wreck


    This could be too easy a fix but I don't know anything about this kinda thing but....... why not cancel your cards, close your bank accounts and move all your cash to another bank?


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This could be too easy a fix but I don't know anything about this kinda thing but....... why not cancel your cards, close your bank accounts and move all your cash to another bank?

    The first part of your post was spot on.

    OP, could you send me a link of what you signed on for? I wanna see it just to make sure I don't fall for anything similar..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,044 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    It's some diet scam eat these chocolate with magical acai berry in them and loose weight.
    Seriously the acai berry email spam has been as bad as pills for wonky willies.

    Ring your bank, get your card canceled if needs be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭arctictree


    What happened is that you signed up for a recurring transaction. This is difficult to cancel as the credit card issuing banks have built a scheme to update merchants with your new credit card details.

    As suggested earlier, the best thing to do is to cancel your credit card completely with your bank. Of course, they will try to dissuade you from doing this as they will lose the business but you just have to be firm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,044 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭PaddyThai


    This is a sample of one of the sites that scams people. http://www.acai-cleanse-combo.info/index.php?keyword=gs_Life-cleanse
    It was well covered on the Joe Duffy show and some pople were scammed for up to €600. They did not realise when giving their credit card details for P&P they were also agteeing to a subscription for pills every month and the cost to be deducted from their creidt card.
    The fact is people, unwittingly, agree to paying for monthly pills when they give credit card details for P&P for the free offer.
    My wife made this mistake and I have to admit I import regularly over the net and have never been duped like this.
    We called the freephone number and got to a call centre in Poland where we cancelled our order.
    Not sure if we have the time and energy to get our €180 back.

    To the Op, I'd suggest you ring the custormer service nyumber and cancel your order. Cancelling the free trial before it expires is near impossible because free trial starts when you make the order not when you receive goods so not enough time.

    Good luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    Joe Duffy podcast on the same topic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    ok folks im home now and checking my internet history from yesterday.. heres the links to avoid..

    these 3 sites lead me to the disaster...
    http://www.jasonsrippedlog.com/
    http://www.hilarysweightloss.com/
    http://www.johnsmuscles.com/lp/

    all fake testimonials.... they all lead to these sites...


    http://www.acaiforcemax.com/index.php
    i was able to contact customer support and did get a cancellation reference number.. but will still get stung for money if i cant get the free sample back to them in time.. worst case scenario i'll get stung for 80 dollars but the membership is now cancelled so after that charge there will be nothing else..


    http://www.effectivecleanse.com

    http://www.acaiberryexclusive.com

    both these seem to be linked to tradingplanetltd.com and offer only a number located in poland +48222120179 however i did find a UK number also +44 203 139 9104

    so gonna give them a try also..

    hope i can get this all sorted, i will keep you guys posted, but please learn from my mistake and read the small print..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    arctictree wrote: »
    What happened is that you signed up for a recurring transaction. This is difficult to cancel as the credit card issuing banks have built a scheme to update merchants with your new credit card details.

    As suggested earlier, the best thing to do is to cancel your credit card completely with your bank. Of course, they will try to dissuade you from doing this as they will lose the business but you just have to be firm.

    That's kind of strange, because when I lost my CC they told me I had to give any third party DDs on the card my new CC number when it arrives. I'm sure you're right though.

    I really dislike the cushiness banks and companies have. We should not have to contact the companies to stop direct debits. The card/current account is our money. We should be able to say to the bank "no not let them take money out of my account" and they immediately block the company. Drives me mad.


  • Administrators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,978 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Toots


    OP, when the free trials arrive, send them back by registered post, along with a letter stating that you do not wish to continue your subscription to their service and that you do not authorise them to debit any funds from your card. In addition, if there's a 'contact us' section on the site, I'd send them an email stating this also. Keep copies of this corrsepondence.

    If/when they do try to debit your account, you can ask your credit company to do what's called a 'chargeback' on your account to try and recover the funds. They may ask for something in writing from you, and this is where your copies of the letter and registered post receipt can come in handy, as you can send copies of these to the CC company to prove that you cancelled your subscription.

    In 99% (slight generalisation) of cases where a credit card holder is scammed, the provider should be able to 'flag' certain transactions on your account, and stop them going through. However this is often only the case where the credit card details have been stolen, not given, as in your case.

    You were right to cancel the card anyway, just to be on the safe side. Hopefully your bank will have been able to set up a block for that particular retailer, but unfortunately retailers can still charge to cancelled accounts (it's somewhere under the Mastercard/Visa rules and regulations AFAIK) However, you can dispute the charge, and your card provider will have to go back to the retailer and get proof from them of the validity of the transaction. So if this happens with you, you can provide them with your copies of emails, letters etc, proving that you cancelled the service, thus invalidating the transaction. If you get a new card, and they do debit your old one, you should get a seperate statement for your old card account, so at least it will be easy to differentiate between the two.

    If they really are scammers, I'd also look out for small, seemingly innocuous transactions on your card. Scammers will often try to put through a transaction for a small amount to 'test' cards before going all out on them. Examining your monthly statements is a good habit to get into, if you don't already do it, and make sure you report anything suspicious to your bank straight away. Most banks have a clause that suspicious transactions have to be reported in a 'timely manner' so if you come back to query something months later, you could be outside the timeframe to raise the query.
    The "customer service" folk tried their best to fob them off but they were tough with them and told them thier banks were dealing with the matter and should any more charges incur legal advice shall be sought and so on. Just be tough with them and don't take any of their crap.
    Good advice here! Definitely be very firm, and make sure they're under no illusions that you will take it further if they do attempt to charge you. Sorry for the long post, hope it all makes sense. Most important thing is monitor your statements and keep in touch with your bank. Best of luck, and really hope it gets resolved without too much hassle.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭pow wow


    That's kind of strange, because when I lost my CC they told me I had to give any third party DDs on the card my new CC number when it arrives. I'm sure you're right though.

    It's quicker to do that. The recurring charges usually find their way to your new card number if you say nothing, but there can be a delay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    arctictree wrote: »
    What happened is that you signed up for a recurring transaction. This is difficult to cancel as the credit card issuing banks have built a scheme to update merchants with your new credit card details.

    This defo isn't true for security reasons, they leave it up to you to pass on your new card number. I know this coz the bank told me directly when I had my credit card stolen...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Gyalist


    Sorry if this appears unsympathetic but anyone with normally functioning internal organs who believes this "detox" BS deserves to be scammed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,044 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Unhelpful and off-topic posting will get you banned from this forum.
    Do take time to read the charter which contains the rules and abide by them.
    Have a nice day.
    Thaedydal


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    Op easiest thing to do is ring your bank and tell them you lost your CC, you may get hit with the first charge from this crowd, but when they try to charge the CC again it'll decline as the CC number has been cancelled.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Aren't there EU distance selling regulations that allow you to cancel goods and services bought over the internet within a x day period. Don't know the details but might be worth checking out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Hey OP,
    I was listening to the Gerry Ryan Show there last wk and it was discussing this very topic. A lot of very distressed customers all describing exactly the same as you. Now i believe that you are in a better situation in i am not correct, they all mentioned a 15 day trial...had you a trial period? they did not cancel within the 15 days and so got stung with the money, i am not sure but believe because you are cancelling before the 15 days then the terms state you are entitled to your money back. print them out. perhaps contact the Ger Ryan show and they may be able to put you in touch with some of the phone numbers the callers suggested to help other people out, because some of them did manage to stop the money. do check out the trial period and live on the phone calling up as many centres as you can...
    good luck

    and let us know how you get on....


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  • Administrators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,978 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Toots


    Op easiest thing to do is ring your bank and tell them you lost your CC, you may get hit with the first charge from this crowd, but when they try to charge the CC again it'll decline as the CC number has been cancelled.

    The only thing is the OP has already phoned their bank and explained the situation, so if they suddenly come back saying they've lost their card it's gonna look a bit suss.


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