Liverpool squad/keeper/spending comparison thread [read post #161]

it doesnt have the facts & figures in the article, just mentions that interesting fact in passing, but i knew they were 4th in both from articles elesewhere, presume its City thats pipped em into 5th.

kryogen wrote: »

the knives are really out for Rafa arent they!

Just seeing Steven Warnock on sky sports news critisizing him for signing too many foreign players and squeezing out the Brits in the club

there are 12 British first team members out of 55?

Sky is loving all this anti Rafa ****e, i thought Klinsmann in the studio was a nice touch the other night.

Mr Alan wrote: »

from the same article in the echo Muppet.



again, they were just speculating before the deal was finalised.

when the deal was finalised, the correct amount was reported.

the same amount that was reported on BBC. the site you say is most reliable for transfers.

and actually wat Rafa is saying in that article there is that the total cost which includes Garcia (4m) was £20m! even bigger bargain!

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Morning, Ha Ha, I think it's pretty clear what Rafa is saying he paid 20 million plus Garcia for Torres , Makes sense when you consider Torres reported release clause of £27 Million, Why would they sell for less?

Mr Alan wrote: »

too late for that! time for my bed.

i'll tell you wat though, just to give ya something to read, i'll break down the squad with how much each person cost! (only the main players)

GK:
Reina-6m
Cavielleri-1.5m

RB
Johnson-17m
Degan-free

LB
insua-1.3m
aurelio-free
dossena-7m

CB
carragher-free
agger-5.8m
skrtel-6.5m
the greek lad-1.5m

CM
mascherano-17m
aquilani-17m
lucas-5.5m
Gerrard-free

RW
Kuyt-9m
Babel-11.5m

LW
Riera-8m
Benayoun-5m

ST:
Torres-20m
Ngog-1.5m
Voronin-free

hardly the kind of squad you'd look at & think wow! so much money spent its the league or the sack!

heres a good article if ya fancy a bit of reading.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/166504-rafael-benitez-the-transfer-truth

It's the kind of Squad I'd look at and say that it accounts for around £150 million of the £250 Million that Rafa has spent on players and ask, Where did the other £100 million he has spent go to?

jasonorr wrote: »

How about I stop you there, first thing that came to my head looking at the players in the current squad. I'm sure the same can be said of many clubs though.

That's the squad as it stands (obviously), how many managers have had better resources than Rafa per year spent at their clubs? When you answer that question, take into account what state the club were in (to quote the great man) footballistically, in other words, how much did the squad need to be improved to challenge for champions league places or challenge for the title. From those managers, how many still have their jobs?

My point is, Liverpool were an established part of the top 4 before Rafa came, there has been an improvement, but significant enough?

I haven't seen many Pool fans (that I know) backing him

Let's take an example

Martin O'Neill at Villa - as i said yesterday (and obviously all the figures are open to criticism) it looks like he's spent more in 4 years than Rafa has in 6.
Now Rafa took over a team who finished 4th, but were very much on the way down. That team would not have finished 4th today. More like 6th or 7th.
O'Neill took over a team finishing (i think) 16th. But that was about the lowest they could have finished with a decentish squad.
O'Neill has taken them from 16th to 6th (twice in a row)
Rafa took us from 4th to 5th to 2nd and everywhere in between.

I'd argue that the leap from 4th to 1st (especially since 4th 5 years ago was such a low points tally) is a far greater leap than that from 16th to 6th. Especially considering the money chelsea have had and the fact that in Wenger and Ferguson Rafa was up against the two best managers in the country.

In 07/08 Villa finished 6th.
Over the summer Martin O'Neill had a net outlay on players of nearly 50m
In 08/09 Villa Finished 6th
Yet he's never criticised in the press, he's under no pressure and some crazed Liverpool fans actually think he should be our next manager. I don't understand it.

Spurs, Villa, City and Chelsea have outspent us since Rafa came in.
United had until they sold Ronaldo.
Sunderland are close behind us.

whatawaster wrote: »

Spurs, Villa, City and Chelsea have outspent us since Rafa came in.
United had until they sold Ronaldo.
Sunderland are close behind us.

And there all ahead of ye in the league!

Boggles wrote: »

And there all ahead of ye in the league!

THERE ARE 9 GAMES GONE. F*CKING HELL.

Boggles wrote: »

And there all ahead of ye in the league!

you know as well as i do that...

1) that doesn't mean they'll finish higher, and

2) apart from Chelsea, we've always finished higher than the others in that list under Rafa.

now i think Rafa is under pressure, and needs to get our team going again, but at least make a point against him of merit.

Boggles wrote: »

What you were implying was Rafa had to sell his star players to fund future purchases.

The reality is he has made so many dross buys or not handled signings correctly he has to sell them. If he got it right in the first place, he wouldn't be in that position to sell.

The reason he is so good at recouping money is that these players don't spend much time at Liverpool, therefore there values don't fluctuate much and I'm sure most of Europe know just because you don't make it at Liverpool under a questionable regime does not make you a bad player.

Most of the dross buys, and there have been quite a few, were sold pretty quickly and we have overall almost broke even on these.

Crouch and Sissoko are examples of two good players (who we would absolutely love to have as backup now) who we couldn’t afford to keep because:
1. If we had there’d be no Mascherano, for example
2. we can’t afford their wages

Questionable regime! Pull the other one.

SlickRic wrote: »

ok Boggles.

whatever suits your agenda.

you know that's not generally true, and is appropriate for maybe one or two, and that's at a push - Keane, and maybe Sissoko.

don't generalise his entire transfer policy to suit your Rafa bashing.

Crouch, Bellamy, Alonso, etc, etc.

Boggles wrote: »

Crouch, Bellamy, Alonso, etc, etc.

Stop this nonsense.

Alonso didn’t work out under this questionable regime!!!!!!!

Alonso was brought in here for 10m and left 5 years later as one of the most coveted midfielders in Europe for over 30m.

Absolute f*cking drivel

Boggles wrote: »

Bollix Crouch wanted to leave because he saw the likes of the vorinator starting ahead of him.

Sissoko is a better all round player than Masch.

Crouch wanted to leave because he felt he should be starting every game. Even though Torres had made the position his own.
Voronin hardly ever featured ahead of Crouch. And if he did it was in a withdrawn AM role that Crouch simply cannot play.

Wrong on Sissoko – he’s a worse passer and a worse tackler. He is however, brilliant in certain situations and had a great partnership with Alonso