Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread [mod warning #11145, #32140 (see OP)]

Very funny when Insua started limping when he thought it was he who was being called ashore in the 1st half

Not so funny that the worse we play the more bad luck we get. Every mistake seems to get punished, every bounce seems to go the wrong way. 3 of our best 4 players not playing for most of the Lyon game - there is no team who will cope well in such circumstances. Though we still created the chances to win it.

Kuyt was unlucky to be pulled up for his goal, in that the ref didnt see anything wrong. Aurelio and Benny missed great chances. Ngog had two good chances and Skrtel had one. They only missed one great chance, early on. If we'd got the 2nd goal, we probably would have won 3 or 4 to Nil.

It was ironic that we improved after Gerrard went off. Aurelio and Insua combined to much reduce their big threat down the right - turned it on its head in fact as we became dangerous down the left. And Kuyt gave support to Ngog, which meant Ngog got into the game and contributed. However also ironic that the one player from our "best 4 players" (IMO) who played the whole game, Reina, had a poor day IMO.

Its not zonal defending thats our problem, its bad defending thats the problem. I was nervous every time a cross came in, and so were our defenders and keeper. And the equaliser was a good example of how bad luck often follows bad play.

Very bad mistake by Reina to come from the cross and barely touch it. It could have fallen to anyone, but fell to a Lyon player. Great save by Reina, but then the striker is more alert than any of our defenders who all seem on their heels. Another great save by Reina - ball could have gone anywhere, but falls lovely for the Lyon guy, who (fair fooks to the young lad) buries it. Valiant attempt by Kelly to save it on the line, and he ends up injuring himself in the process
[bad play then bad luck, then bad play, then bad luck, then more bad luck]

Then for the winning goal, the guy who gets the assist is beside Lucas on the half way line. He sprints forward to eventually get the killer cross in, meanwhile Lucas decides that a gentle jog is enough, and disgracefully makes no effort to cover the run. Carragher is asleep at the back post - I'm sure had Kelly not been injured, he would have cleared that. But it was another mistake by Reina - came for a ball didnt get it, left the striker with an empty net to find. If Reina had accepted the cross was not within his range and tried to position himself for a shot, he probably would have had a 50% chance of making the save (and I would have bet on him making the save). By going for, and missing the cross, he gave himself a 0% chance of making the save.

Martin Kelly was the shining light, and I wasn't one bit surprised. He definitely has a future at the club, hopefully his injury is not bad.

Boggles wrote: »

Why, he had a chance to sign for Chelsea, he choose Liverpool when they came up with the wages?

Wouldn't feel sorry for anyone that is on 100 grand + a week TBH.

He chose Liverpool when they got up off their arses and offered him a contract. It certainly wasn't a decision based on money

Liverpool need wholesale changes at the top of the club. Benitez + Yanks out, Saudi Prince + Jose in.

Boggles wrote: »

Of course it was FFS, Chelsea offered him a fortune if Liverpool didn't match it he was gone.

If that is not a decision based on money, I don't know what is.

He is a professional footballer, don't be naive in thinking he is not motivated by money.

you're naive if you think Liverpool could have matched what Chelsea could have. He would have got anything he wanted there.
The issue for Gerrard, as has been discussed many times here and elsewhere, was that Rick Parry went off on holidays as usual not even bothering to offer his captain a new deal, leaving Gerrard with good reason to believe the club wanted to sell him.

He changed his mind and stayed after talking with family and friends, not his accountant

whatawaster wrote: »

you're naive if you think Liverpool could have matched what Chelsea could have. He would have got anything he wanted there.
The issue for Gerrard, as has been discussed many times here and elsewhere, was that Rick Parry went off on holidays as usual not even bothering to offer his captain a new deal, leaving Gerrard with good reason to believe the club wanted to sell him.

He changed his mind and stayed after talking with family and friends, not his accountant

Wasn't it Parry who met privately with Gerrards father and convinced him to have a chat with Stevo to stay?

Either way, it all comes down to money, that is not a slur against Gerrard, he is a professional footballer at the top of his game, all footballers feel they should deserve a large wage.

Look at Masch this season, he is not getting paid what he thinks he his worth and his performances reflect that, adding to the list of problems Liverpool have.

whatawaster wrote: »

I never want Mourinho near this club.
Firstly he’ll never come. He likes his comforts, though you may say he’s well earned them. He likes to have fortunes to spend on players. He likes to have his own way. He doesn’t like Glen Johnson.

Secondly, if people have been complaining that Rafa is too negative, have you seen Mourinho’s teams play lately? Barring a few months where Duff and Robben were in full swing, it hasn’t been pretty for a long time.

Having a winning manager in charge would be a disaster alright. And on Glen Johnson FFS he was a kid at chelsea brought there by Ranieri and he didnt produce the goods then mourinho hardly holds a grudge against the guy.

The spanish waiter has shown over and over again that he hassnt a clue.

slingerz wrote: »

Having a winning manager in charge would be a disaster alright. And on Glen Johnson FFS he was a kid at chelsea brought there by Ranieri and he didnt produce the goods then mourinho hardly holds a grudge against the guy.

The spanish waiter has shown over and over again that he hassnt a clue.

Have some f*cking respect.
The guy has won the champions league with us.
The guy could be manager of Real Madrid now if he wanted, but he chose to stay with us.
If he leaves, we will not have Mourinho, we will have someone likes Klinsmann, then you will wish we’d never got rid of Rafa
Last season, despite the fact that he had spent just 5m last year, he got us to within 4 points of winning the league. And to be honest, lesser teams than United would have crumbled under the kind of pressure we put them under in the last couple of months in the season (and there were times when United looked like they might crumble themselves)

Was it Mourinho who said a good team doesn't lose two games in a row? What odds on Liverpool notching up their 5th consecutive defeat this weekend?!

Dub13 wrote: »

Latest SOS update.

Tom and George - You're Not Welcome Here
Wed 21 Oct 2009


Tom Hicks and George Gillett are, according to our sources, planning to attend this Sunday's game against Manchester United at Anfield. Being the massive football (soccer?) fans that they are, they couldn't afford to miss a big game such as this. They don't have to afford the trip, as no doubt a claim for expenses will soon be submitted to LFC for the cost of their stay. This is an opportunity we can't afford to miss.

Whilst their arrival will no doubt bring with it fresh speculation, about rifts and friendships, sales and investment, we have to make ourselves heard. We have to tell them, and the watching world, that quite simply, they aren't welcome here. Broken promise after broken promise, lie after lie, has become too much for fans to accept from these "custodians" who, quite frankly, don’t know the meaning of the word. It's time for Tom Hicks and George Gillett to get the message, sell the club (all of it) and leave, allowing us to finally move forward from this sorry mess.

We urge everyone who cares about Liverpool Football Club, whether going to the match or not, to make their voices heard. Firstly, tell Tom Hicks yourself. Email him at thicks@hicksholdings.com telling him why he's not 't welcome here. If you need some pointers on what to say, this is what Spirit Of Shankly has sent to them:




There will be a march taking place prior to Sunday's game. Meeting on Sunday at Noon outside the LFC Supporters Club on Lower Breck Road, it is a perfect opportunity for all of us, to stand as one, and speak as one, with one clear message - Tom and George, You're Not Welcome Here!



Spirit Of Shankly

(If anyone has any information on where Tom Hicks or George Gillett will be staying during their visit, please contact directaction@spiritofshankly.com)

I think it's disgraceful the way these two guys are being scapegoated for the failings of Benitez. They provided him with ample funds to strengthen the first team, he has generally spent it poorly and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

They provided him with ample funds to strengthen the first team

They didn't. We would have been better off with Moores.

always the same problem with some pool fans, going gets bad they blame the owners(who are far from angels)

the same owners who gave rafa control of the transfers, the same owners who brought in the biggest sponsorship in the clubs history in and the same owners who gave rafa the guts of 38m to buy the players he want.

getting really boring