Sunderland V Liverpool 17/10/09 Match Thread

Thanx 4 The Fish · 18-10-2009 12:00PM

Xavi6 wrote: »

There was no drop ball either when it happened City against Sheffield United.

Just because a ref got it wrong on a previous occasion does not make it okay for a different ref to get it wrong again on this occasion. I would love to hear how he justified that one to himself. The ball changed direction, Reina would have had it otherwise.

Nalz · 18-10-2009 12:03PM

Johnny Utah wrote: »

"He's fat
He's round
He bounces on the ground
Andy Reid, Andy Reid"

He's fit
He's thin
He crossed a "beach" of a ball in
Andy Reid, Andy Reid

Xavi6 · 18-10-2009 12:09PM

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

Just because a ref got it wrong on a previous occasion does not make it okay for a different ref to get it wrong again on this occasion. I would love to hear how he justified that one to himself. The ball changed direction, Reina would have had it otherwise.

I didn't say it was right or wrong on either occasion, I merely said that it has happened before.

People are way too defensive here sometimes.

Handsome Bob · 18-10-2009 12:20PM

http://msn.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_5635471,00.html

I'm genuinely surprised, I didn't know that it was actually wrong to allow the goal, I just thought it was of those unfortunate situations you can do nothing about (like when the ball hits off the ref or something).

machiavellianme · 18-10-2009 12:35PM

LZ5by5 wrote: »

http://msn.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_5635471,00.html

I'm genuinely surprised, I didn't know that it was actually wrong to allow the goal, I just thought it was of those unfortunate situations you can do nothing about (like when the ball hits off the ref or something).

Yes but the ref is considered part of the pitch, the same way goalposts are and can be used to score off....if you're good/unlucky enough to hit them.
The beach ball is an external influence.

ctrl-alt-delete · 18-10-2009 01:04PM

Was at the game yesterday,

Sunderland went into this game knowing they had a great chance of getting a result, the fans had high expectations even before it was revealed that Gerrard and Torres were injured. They came out of the blocks very fast and didn't give Liverpool a minute on the ball. Cana, Cattermole, Malbranque and Reid all had excellent games, and with Mascherano not starting either C&C dominated the midfield.

At times Liverpool invited the pressure onto themselves, Sunderland were closing down everything - and it amazed me the amount of times Reina still decided to pass the ball to one of the back 4 - i know it keeps hold of possession rather than punting it upfield - but they didn't do themselves any favours at all.

Although both defenses were rocky yesterday I couldn't see any Liverpool player who was going to score. Johnson caused havos a few times but his final ball was lacking at times, and at other times there were just too many Sunderland players around him.

The crowd chants were funny at times, Liverpool fans chanting "Steve Bruce, He's got a big fat head, he's got a big fat head"....Countered by "Your a fat Spanish waiter, you're just a fat Spanish waiter" and "sign on, sign on".

As for Bruce blasting Rafa out of it, i think he went a bit over the top. Jones went down a few times, the one just before this incident being his last obviously, but it was very frustrating for Liverpool. They should have taken Jones off earlier - he hadn't the legs left - and he was making the most of every challenge on him.

Forgetting about the beach ball thing, anyone who saw the game would agree that Sunderland deserved their win. They had by far the better chances. Liverpool really do suffer without their top 2 players.

ROCKMAN · 18-10-2009 02:27PM

machiavellianme wrote: »

Yes but the ref is considered part of the pitch, the same way goalposts are and can be used to score off....if you're good/unlucky enough to hit them.
The beach ball is an external influence.

Not trying to derail thread but wondering ,

Case 1
Defender makes a tackle and loses his boot , (boot just left there on the ground in the box) Ball breaks to a striker he has a shot which is deflected of the boot into the net Goal or not ???
Case 2
If the balloon yesterday was a football returned by over zealous Ballboy ie two balls on the pitch And the shot hits this ball Would it be Goal or Not ??

Sorry just wondering

lordgoat · 18-10-2009 02:40PM

ROCKMAN wrote: »

Not trying to derail thread but wondering ,

Case 1
Defender makes a tackle and loses his boot , (boot just left there on the ground in the box) Ball breaks to a striker he has a shot which is deflected of the boot into the net Goal or not ???
Case 2
If the balloon yesterday was a football returned by over zealous Ballboy ie two balls on the pitch And the shot hits this ball Would it be Goal or Not ??

Sorry just wondering

Not sure about case 1 but case two is, afaik, instant stopping of the game and the unofficial ball removed, then a drop ball (normally uncontested)

Chucky the tree · 18-10-2009 02:41PM

ROCKMAN wrote: »

Not trying to derail thread but wondering ,

Case 1
Defender makes a tackle and loses his boot , (boot just left there on the ground in the box) Ball breaks to a striker he has a shot which is deflected of the boot into the net Goal or not ???
Case 2
If the balloon yesterday was a football returned by over zealous Ballboy ie two balls on the pitch And the shot hits this ball Would it be Goal or Not ??

Sorry just wondering

Case 2: As soon as a ref spots a 2nd ball on the pitch he has to stop the game.

Not 100% sure on Case 1 put I'm guessing a players clothes are considered part of the pitch like the ref and goalposts.

Holsten · 18-10-2009 02:45PM

Did it even hit the ball? Looking at it on match of the day it looks like
Johnson just kicks the beech ball instead of the football.

ROCKMAN · 18-10-2009 02:46PM

Thanks lads

Edit: just seen other thread
So have posted them there aswell ,
sorry again for any de-railing

18-10-2009 02:46PM

Holsten wrote: »

Did it even hit the ball? Looking at it on match of the day it looks like
Johnson just kicks the beech ball instead of the football.

bluefinger · 18-10-2009 02:47PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

couple of match ban for aul Brucie hopefully

Agreed
A1 thug

Paul Tergat · 18-10-2009 02:49PM

bluefinger wrote: »

Agreed
A1 thug

seriously?

Nalz · 18-10-2009 02:51PM

bluefinger wrote: »

Agreed
A1 thug

ah here

CR 7 · 18-10-2009 02:52PM

Holsten wrote: »

Did it even hit the ball? Looking at it on match of the day it looks like
Johnson just kicks the beech ball instead of the football.

Yeah, looks like this in some replays, Johnson's foot was at 45 degrees, ball could have come off this, and he kicks the beach ball in the same motion. Although it's so difficult to tell, that it's just funnier to believe the beach ball version.

Dave! · 18-10-2009 03:13PM

It seems Man City have made a quick move for the balloon

Dub13 · 18-10-2009 03:22PM

I was at the game,the famous beach ball come from a couple of rows in front of us.I have not seen it on the TV yet its on my Sky Plus I will have a look later,one thing I am not sure if it was picked up on the TV is it was on the pitch before the game and Reina kicked it off the pitch and behind the goal.Looking back in hindsight he should have burst it.

Xavi6 · 18-10-2009 03:53PM

Dave! wrote: »

It seems Man City have made a quick move for the balloon

Well he was only effective in his own box so maybe he's just a straight replacement for Dunne :pac:

Spiritoftheseventies · 18-10-2009 06:22PM

Dub13 wrote: »

I was at the game,the famous beach ball come from a couple of rows in front of us.I have not seen it on the TV yet its on my Sky Plus I will have a look later,one thing I am not sure if it was picked up on the TV is it was on the pitch before the game and Reina kicked it off the pitch and behind the goal.Looking back in hindsight he should have burst it.

Did that young kid get any stick from fans. Feel a bit sorry for him.

ROCKMAN · 18-10-2009 06:23PM

Xavi6 wrote: »

Well he was only effective in his own box so maybe he's just a straight replacement for Dunne :pac:

Think Chelsea thought that too

Spiritoftheseventies · 18-10-2009 06:31PM

Whats are the odds united fans will be singing 99 red balloons. Or words to the tune next weekend

Pepe LeFrits · 18-10-2009 06:35PM

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/18102009/58/premier-league-liverpool-shop-sells-beach-balls.html

Opposition fans revelling in Rafa Benitez's side's misery have bought all remaining 'beach sets' from the online shop, which consist of a towel, a bag and the now-infamous beach ball.

The sets had been reduced from £20 to £10 and have now sold out. They will be a must-have item for travelling supporters visiting Anfield in coming weeks.

Several web users have also left spoof reviews on the site.

'Natalie from Manchester' wrote: "I bought this set, but seem to have lost the ball in Sunderland. Is it possible to order a replacement?" while 'G from Johnon' commented: "This is one of the most flexible products I have ever purchased. Great for not only the beach, but can also play up front."

The Muppet · 18-10-2009 06:36PM

bayviewclose wrote: »

Whats are the odds united fans will be singing 99 red balloons. Or words to the tune next weekend

Pretty low I'd imagine.

CCCP^ · 18-10-2009 07:04PM

That_Guy wrote: »

Anyone see the analysis on RTE?

Highlighting the balloon.
"Ok and here we see the balloon making it's first appearance."
"And here's the balloon now rolling its way into an onside position"

Genius.

Yeah, and 99 Red Balloons playing, brilliant

Dub13 · 18-10-2009 07:16PM

bayviewclose wrote: »

Did that young kid get any stick from fans. Feel a bit sorry for him.

I did not see him getting any stick.

Spiritoftheseventies · 18-10-2009 07:57PM

Dub13 wrote: »

I did not see him getting any stick.

Yes Rte zoomed in on him before and after the goal. He looked a bit distraught but fair play to the Liverpool players and management they distanced themselves from the whole incident.
Btw what was your take on the formation pool played. Shearer reckons our back three struggled with the system all afternoon.
And looking at highlights of game yesterday, defence did not look comfortable at all.

Dub13 · 18-10-2009 08:24PM

bayviewclose wrote: »

Btw what was your take on the formation pool played. Shearer reckons our back three struggled with the system all afternoon.
And looking at highlights of game yesterday, defence did not look comfortable at all.

I am never a fan of 3 at the back,it just does not work when the other team is playing 2 up front you can maybe get away with it when they are only playing one up but even then the CB don't play it enough to be comfortable playing it.

Spiritoftheseventies · 18-10-2009 11:09PM

Yes three at the back seems a bit of a strange system and we were all over the place yesterday.
Dont know what is wrong with our defence but they just dont look like a happy bunch. Always felt it strange that Carra chose to take a go at his team mates in the last game of last season (maybe it was second last).
It showed his team mates up and I dont know if it was right thing to do.
But either way he has been struggling so far this season. Hypia I know lacked pace but he was solid for most part.
Maybe we are underestimating his loss to team. Always very dependable in the air and put his body on the line.

curry-muff · 18-10-2009 11:27PM

bluefinger wrote: »

Agreed
A1 thug

If anything Mr Benitez should be issuing a public apology for accusing Kenywne Jones of timewasting :eek:

Sunderland V Liverpool 17/10/09 Match Thread

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