Eddie Stones, Clonfert, County Galway

Pamela111 · 12-03-2009 11:59PM

noel farrell wrote: »

dear pamela 111 have you not read in the word of god satan can appear as an angel of light he is the deceiver jesus said test the spirits god bless

Yes he certainly can. But Satan cannot do conversions, Clonfert can.

noel farrell · 13-03-2009 01:31AM

so he has taken over from jesus and the holy spirit you did say he converts sorry if i took you up wrong god bless

Pamela111 · 13-03-2009 01:44AM

noel farrell wrote: »

so he has taken over from jesus and the holy spirit you did say he converts sorry if i took you up wrong god bless

Well we can't prove either way where he gets his healing power from but I hope and think it is from Jesus and not the other bucko. Your thoughts did pass my mind and I was skeptical.

He does talk the truth. He talks about the importance of Holy Confession and Holy Mass and he continually mentions sin. Not many priests even mention these. The Evil One would not be encouraging this so its fair to say that what he preaches is in line with Gospel i.e. obey ALL the commandments and practise Confession and Mass. That is good. Also, the rosary and Chaplet of Divine Mercy are prayed there continually. That is also very good.

AtomicHorror · 13-03-2009 02:14AM

Ferny wrote: »

I have been to Clonfert for a good few years now and have gotten to know Eddie and the family well, I have witnessed a lot of spiritual experiences, Its not every day that someone is cured, but there have been cases of arthritis cured, limbs cured and emotional cures. I personally had IBS for years visiting specialists and doctors of all types and that cleared up shortly after I started to visit Clonfert.

Eddie is a man who gave up a thriving family butcher trade and did what was asked of him....

I would really suggest that a lot of you should go and experience it first hand before you carry on with this conversation using references of satan and other off the wall theories..

Or you could give us a full and detailed list of say 100 of his efforts at healing a specific ailment, along with the full results of said attempts. I mean, if this is real it must be open to basic testing, right?

Satan aside, there are perfectly worldly reasons to be sceptical of this and the burden of evidence is never on the sceptic, it is on those of you who make these claims.

Supermouser · 09-06-2009 08:12PM

Just today I was talking to a guy who is not a Christian at all.
He was brought to Eddie and was there complaining to himself that he thought he should be somewhere else. Suddenly he felt a sensation in his throat and chest and his ailment was cured.

dvpower · 09-06-2009 09:45PM

RTE Nationwide did a piece on him here

WJCG · 11-10-2009 04:38PM

I also rested in the Holy Spirit on my first visit to see Eddie Stones in Clonfert, I was cured of Depression, To hear my story visit the divinemercyconference.com select year 2008 select dvd 3 the eddie stone healing hour, The lord is truly @ work in Clonfert:)

wolfsbane · 11-10-2009 05:26PM

Pamela111 wrote: »

Well we can't prove either way where he gets his healing power from but I hope and think it is from Jesus and not the other bucko. Your thoughts did pass my mind and I was skeptical.

He does talk the truth. He talks about the importance of Holy Confession and Holy Mass and he continually mentions sin. Not many priests even mention these. The Evil One would not be encouraging this so its fair to say that what he preaches is in line with Gospel i.e. obey ALL the commandments and practise Confession and Mass. That is good. Also, the rosary and Chaplet of Divine Mercy are prayed there continually. That is also very good.

I've just now viewed the RTE piece on him. He certainly does not appear to be a fraudster like many of the televangelist signs & wonders type. That leaves the possibility that he is genuinely sent by God or he is himself deluded and sent by Satan to delude others.

So it comes down to how one sees the Roman Catholic Church, as he is in full fellowship with it and is acknowledged as preaching its doctrines. The people he preaches to will be encouraged to trust their eternal welfare to the hands of that Church. Confession and Mass, the rosary and Chaplet of Divine Mercy, etc. represent their way of salvation.

Evangelicals like myself view Rome's way of salvation as false, therefore I see Eddie as an instrument used by Satan to keep people away from the gospel of Christ. He did so with Saul, before his conversion. Saul was a very sincere, clean-living, religious man - but he had to abandon his works-based religion and trust in Christ alone before he became Paul the apostle.

So I say, never mind the supposed benefits of physical/mental healing - the real issue is where one's soul spends eternity. Check out the gospel being preached, before anything else.

WJCG · 11-10-2009 05:33PM

I feel so sorry 4 people who have lost hope or never had any. But i will keep u all in my prayers, U may not know it but u need them M

chozometroid · 11-10-2009 06:33PM

wolfsbane wrote: »

I've just now viewed the RTE piece on him. He certainly does not appear to be a fraudster like many of the televangelist signs & wonders type. That leaves the possibility that he is genuinely sent by God or he is himself deluded and sent by Satan to delude others.

So it comes down to how one sees the Roman Catholic Church, as he is in full fellowship with it and is acknowledged as preaching its doctrines. The people he preaches to will be encouraged to trust their eternal welfare to the hands of that Church. Confession and Mass, the rosary and Chaplet of Divine Mercy, etc. represent their way of salvation.

Evangelicals like myself view Rome's way of salvation as false, therefore I see Eddie as an instrument used by Satan to keep people away from the gospel of Christ. He did so with Saul, before his conversion. Saul was a very sincere, clean-living, religious man - but he had to abandon his works-based religion and trust in Christ alone before he became Paul the apostle.

So I say, never mind the supposed benefits of physical/mental healing - the real issue is where one's soul spends eternity. Check out the gospel being preached, before anything else.

To add to this great post, I will make a simple statement:

Satan doesn't mind giving you riches, honor, physical and mental health, and even 99% truth, as long as he gets you to accept the remaining 1% he has tainted which will lead you to the false Christ which is Satan himself.

postcynical · 11-10-2009 09:00PM

First off I've never heard of this person, and this is all based on what I've read on this thread. I'm highly sceptical of spiritual healers, unless those cured are really cured and live in Christ rather than depending on the earthly 'healer'.

wolfsbane wrote: »

I've just now viewed the RTE piece on him. He certainly does not appear to be a fraudster like many of the televangelist signs & wonders type. That leaves the possibility that he is genuinely sent by God or he is himself deluded and sent by Satan to delude others.

You make him sound interesting; I might check out the videos later.

So it comes down to how one sees the Roman Catholic Church, as he is in full fellowship with it and is acknowledged as preaching its doctrines. The people he preaches to will be encouraged to trust their eternal welfare to the hands of that Church. Confession and Mass, the rosary and Chaplet of Divine Mercy, etc. represent their way of salvation.

I thought the Catholic church was very suspicious of private revelation. One could say that Alive is in fellowship with the church and preaches its doctrines but it certainly does not speak for the church (and frequently draws disapproval from the Irish hierarchy). It is unfair to evaluate this person's claims as linked with the RC church.

Also, your final sentence misrepresents the RC church's position, which might be closer to your own although it's a large debate. See the Protestants vs/and Catholics parallel thread, please - I just posted a link to Pope Benedict's recent defence of Luther.

Evangelicals like myself view Rome's way of salvation as false, therefore I see Eddie as an instrument used by Satan to keep people away from the gospel of Christ. He did so with Saul, before his conversion. Saul was a very sincere, clean-living, religious man - but he had to abandon his works-based religion and trust in Christ alone before he became Paul the apostle.

The Saul part is fine. But come on, not everyone has the capacity or the time and energy to read and understand the Bible. Surely you would grant that God works His word through His inspired people, and their preaching and actions? Surely you have illiterate and uneducated people in your church(community) and Christ has revealed His ways to them in His own way?

My comment is a defence of "Rome's way of salvation" rather than of Eddie, of whom I know nothing.

So I say, never mind the supposed benefits of physical/mental healing - the real issue is where one's soul spends eternity. Check out the gospel being preached, before anything else.

If Eddie's actions/preaching/healing lead people to Christ then it is good. If they lead people away from Christ (eg to RC practices without Christ at the centre) then it is a problem.

postcynical · 11-10-2009 09:05PM

chozometroid wrote: »

Satan doesn't mind giving you riches, honor, physical and mental health, and even 99% truth, as long as he gets you to accept the remaining 1% he has tainted which will lead you to the false Christ which is Satan himself.

Firstly I usually enjoy your posts - I find them very clear and challenging and have learned from you. Here though your sentence doesn't mean much, but it hints at a lot.

None of us knows even 99% truth in this world. Most knowledge is built on mysterious foundations, even the nature of knowledge and reason itself is mysterious. That aside, it is perfectly possible for sincere people to believe in a falsehood. Sincere but misguided enquiry is not of Satan.

chozometroid · 12-10-2009 12:09AM

postcynical wrote: »

Firstly I usually enjoy your posts - I find them very clear and challenging and have learned from you. Here though your sentence doesn't mean much, but it hints at a lot.

None of us knows even 99% truth in this world. Most knowledge is built on mysterious foundations, even the nature of knowledge and reason itself is mysterious. That aside, it is perfectly possible for sincere people to believe in a falsehood. Sincere but misguided enquiry is not of Satan.

Thanks.

The "99% truth" was not intended to refer to complete knowledge of everything, just of something in particular. I just meant Satan wouldn't mind giving you, let's say, a Bible study, where he gave insight into the meaning of some scripture. He would teach you something that contains a great deal of truth, but add one lie hidden among all the truths he gave. It would seem you are receiving only truth, but you have actually been deceived just by one small, but important point.

I agree that one could sincerely believe the wrong thing, simply by one's own misunderstandings. I also agree that sincere enquiry is not of Satan, but it certainly is an opportunity for him.

I was just making the point about Satan's willingness to spread some truth to make his message more convincing. It's like a delicious piece of pie with a drop of tasteless, odorless poison in it. It looks good, tastes good, smells good, but it will kill you.

Stephentlig · 12-10-2009 07:31PM

chozometroid wrote: »

Thanks.

The "99% truth" was not intended to refer to complete knowledge of everything, just of something in particular. I just meant Satan wouldn't mind giving you, let's say, a Bible study, where he gave insight into the meaning of some scripture. He would teach you something that contains a great deal of truth, but add one lie hidden among all the truths he gave. It would seem you are receiving only truth, but you have actually been deceived just by one small, but important point.

I agree that one could sincerely believe the wrong thing, simply by one's own misunderstandings. I also agree that sincere enquiry is not of Satan, but it certainly is an opportunity for him.

I was just making the point about Satan's willingness to spread some truth to make his message more convincing. It's like a delicious piece of pie with a drop of tasteless, odorless poison in it. It looks good, tastes good, smells good, but it will kill you.

satan is the father of all lies, there is no truth to be found in him, for Jesus is the way the truth and the life.

whatever people truthfully say and if it does not contradict the church on its faith and morals then it came from the Holy Spirit not from the enemy.

the Holy Spirit is always active in us, but the influence of satan is around us also, and he uses our ignorance to spread lies.

it is possible for satan to imitate the angels and deceive people that way, but he cannot speak truth, for no, truth cannot be found in him.

Stephentlig · 12-10-2009 08:08PM

My secondary advice to the Catholic people of this forum and others is that to take into consideration what happened in scriptures Mark;9:38 "But Jesus said: Do not forbid him. For there is no man that doth a miracle in my name, and can soon speak ill of me."

and to those of you who take it upon themselves to condemn these miracles as evil should take into consideration the following and with the reminder that only the Holy magesterium of the church has the authority to approve of something or not.

Matt:12:31 "Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven"

"The blasphemy of the Spirit"... The sin here spoken of is that blasphemy, by which the Pharisees attributed the miracles of Christ, wrought by the Spirit of God, to Beelzebub the prince of devils.

Thank you Pamela for your wonderful post, but you should never expect people to approve, for many have become like pharisees of old.

God bless
Stephen.

chozometroid · 12-10-2009 10:07PM

Stephentlig wrote: »

satan is the father of all lies, there is no truth to be found in him, for Jesus is the way the truth and the life.

whatever people truthfully say and if it does not contradict the church on its faith and morals then it came from the Holy Spirit not from the enemy.

the Holy Spirit is always active in us, but the influence of satan is around us also, and he uses our ignorance to spread lies.

it is possible for satan to imitate the angels and deceive people that way, but he cannot speak truth, for no, truth cannot be found in him.

I think you misunderstand. Satan can speak distortedtruth in order to deceive. This means that he can make some true statements, but not speak the whole truth. In the end there is no truth in him, and he is the father of lies. He spoke a distorted truth in the Garden of Eden which planted a seed of doubt regarding who would be the authority in Eve's decision-making process. She questioned God's position and became "like a god" as Satan said, deciding for herself what is right and wrong.

Stephentlig · 12-10-2009 10:47PM

chozometroid wrote: »

I think you misunderstand. Satan can speak distortedtruth in order to deceive. This means that he can make some true statements, but not speak the whole truth. In the end there is no truth in him, and he is the father of lies. He spoke a distorted truth in the Garden of Eden which planted a seed of doubt regarding who would be the authority in Eve's decision-making process. She questioned God's position and became "like a god" as Satan said, deciding for herself what is right and wrong.

Chozo there is no such thing as ''distorted truth'' there is only truth and lies. you say he can make some true statements and then go back and say there is no truth in him. Chozo Eve did not become like God, he told them that they would become like gods knowing good and evil but they didnt become like gods they died and fell from grace, so he made a lieing statement with no truth in it.

"Satan perverts the word of God, giving it an ambiguous turn: in doing which, he has set heretics a pattern, which they follow." (Menochius)

we all know that taking the word of God and then putting a twist on it is heresy and that twist therefore is a lie, not truth.

God bless
Stephen.

chozometroid · 12-10-2009 11:21PM

Stephentlig wrote: »

Chozo there is no such thing as ''distorted truth'' there is only truth and lies. you say he can make some true statements and then go back and say there is no truth in him. Chozo Eve did not become like God, he told them that they would become like gods knowing good and evil but they didnt become like gods they died and fell from grace, so he made a lieing statement with no truth in it.

"Satan perverts the word of God, giving it an ambiguous turn: in doing which, he has set heretics a pattern, which they follow." (Menochius)

we all know that taking the word of God and then putting a twist on it is heresy and that twist therefore is a lie, not truth.

God bless
Stephen.

You continue to miss my point.
You also don't understand what "being your own god" means, it seems. Being your own god just means that you decide what is right and wrong, and you make the rules. It doesn't mean you turn into an omnipotent being. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" means having no other authority in your life that removes or obstructs God's authority. This could be yourself, TV, music, another person(like a teacher, celebrity, priest), etc.

I know when God's word is twisted it is a lie. You don't need to preach this to me.

I'm not sure why you have trouble grasping that Satan could make a true statement, but still be deceitful in doing so. Also, there is such thing as distorted truth. You give someone the truth, and have them interpret it in the wrong way.

Here are some examples of true statments that Satan could make:
"God wants you to be happy, therefore you should do what you feel is right." (half true)
"If you leave your church, and start selling drugs, you can become rich."
"You can make your own rules."
"You will get the girl you've been wanting if you join her crowd."
"Jesus was a real man." (incomplete truth)

Stephentlig · 12-10-2009 11:43PM

You continue to miss my point.
You also don't understand what "being your own god" means, it seems. Being your own god just means that you decide what is right and wrong, and you make the rules. It doesn't mean you turn into an omnipotent being. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" means having no other authority in your life that removes or obstructs God's authority. This could be yourself, TV, music, another person(like a teacher, celebrity, priest), etc.

"And he said: Behold Adam is become as one of us, knowing good and evil: now, therefore, lest perhaps he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever."

I know when God's word is twisted it is a lie. You don't need to preach this to me.

I'm not sure why you have trouble grasping that Satan could make a true statement, but still be deceitful in doing so. Also, there is such thing as distorted truth. You give someone the truth, and have them interpret it in the wrong way.

first you say that I dont need to preach to you that when Gods word is twisted that it is a lie, then you go ahead and say that when satan twists the words of God that it isnt a lie its distorted truth. there is no such thing as distorted truth, nothing can be half true, because when a statement has been presented as a lie it is not distorted it is a lie.

we know from speaking to Jesus in the temptation in the desert that satan is not afraid to use scripture, and when he qouted Jesus scripture, he qouted the truth but his intention was deceitful, and his presentation of it was a lie not truth.

Here are some examples of true statments that Satan could make:

"God wants you to be happy, therefore you should do what you feel is right." (half true)

its not a true ''statement'' because it is presented as a lie.

chozometroid · 12-10-2009 11:49PM

Stephentlig wrote: »

"And he said: Behold Adam is become as one of us, knowing good and evil: now, therefore, lest perhaps he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever."

first you say that I dont need to preach to you that when Gods word is twisted that it is a lie, then you go ahead and say that when satan twists the words of God that it isnt a lie its distorted truth. there is no such thing as distorted truth, nothing can be half true, because when a statement has been presented as a lie it is not distorted it is a lie.

we know from speaking to Jesus in the temptation in the desert that satan is not afraid to use scripture, and when he qouted Jesus scripture, he qouted the truth but his intention was deceitful, and his presentation of it was a lie not truth.

Here are some examples of true statments that Satan could make:

its not a true ''statement'' because it is presented as a lie.

I didn't think you would, but you did anyways. Not sure why I bothered. Discussion over. Peace be with you always.

Stephentlig · 12-10-2009 11:56PM

chozometroid wrote: »

I didn't think you would, but you did anyways. Not sure why I bothered. Discussion over. Peace be with you always.

not at all, I said he qouted the truth, but he took the truth and put a twist on it, therefore it was no longer presented as truth but as a lie, therefore he didnt speak the truth he twisted it, and twisted truth is a lie, not distorted truth.

this ends our discussion.

Grace be with you
Stephen

wolfsbane · 13-10-2009 04:45PM

Stephentlig wrote: »

My secondary advice to the Catholic people of this forum and others is that to take into consideration what happened in scriptures Mark;9:38 "But Jesus said: Do not forbid him. For there is no man that doth a miracle in my name, and can soon speak ill of me."

and to those of you who take it upon themselves to condemn these miracles as evil should take into consideration the following and with the reminder that only the Holy magesterium of the church has the authority to approve of something or not.

Matt:12:31 "Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven"

"The blasphemy of the Spirit"... The sin here spoken of is that blasphemy, by which the Pharisees attributed the miracles of Christ, wrought by the Spirit of God, to Beelzebub the prince of devils.

Thank you Pamela for your wonderful post, but you should never expect people to approve, for many have become like pharisees of old.

God bless
Stephen.

When people preach another gospel and present miracles in support, then it is of Satan, not God.

But here is what the Bible says about false gospels, no matter who preaches them, nor what signs they show:
Galatians 1:6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

Mark 13:21 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘Look, He is there!’ do not believe it. 22 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand.

And of course such wonder-workers claim it is the Holy Spirit at work, and threaten those who warn against them with the blasphemy injunction. All the American tele-evangelists do it - even those who have been exposed as homosexuals, adulterers and frauds.

wolfsbane · 13-10-2009 05:13PM

Stephentlig wrote: »

satan is the father of all lies, there is no truth to be found in him, for Jesus is the way the truth and the life.

whatever people truthfully say and if it does not contradict the church on its faith and morals then it came from the Holy Spirit not from the enemy.

the Holy Spirit is always active in us, but the influence of satan is around us also, and he uses our ignorance to spread lies.

it is possible for satan to imitate the angels and deceive people that way, but he cannot speak truth, for no, truth cannot be found in him.

Obviously incorrect:

The devil said:
Luke 4:10 For it is written:

‘ He shall give His angels charge over you,
To keep you,’
11 and,

‘ In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’”

The devil was quoting from Psalm 91. He was telling the truth - for it is indeed so written. But he was going on to twist this truth so that a sinful decision would be based on it - Jesus testing his Father by foolishly throwing Himself of the pinnacle of the temple to prove His Messiahship.

His actual message was a lie - but he stated the truth as part of it.

The apostle warns us about misapplying the truth:
2 Peter 3:14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.

All the 'Christian' cults do the same - in addition to the downright lies they offer, they teach some truths correctly (to suck in the unwary), and then to establish their error they twist other truths to support their evil practices. Just listen to the next JW or Mormon who knocks your door.

Stephentlig · 13-10-2009 07:06PM

wolfsbane wrote: »

When people preach another gospel and present miracles in support, then it is of Satan, not God.

But here is what the Bible says about false gospels, no matter who preaches them, nor what signs they show:
Galatians 1:6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

Mark 13:21 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘Look, He is there!’ do not believe it. 22 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand.

And of course such wonder-workers claim it is the Holy Spirit at work, and threaten those who warn against them with the blasphemy injunction. All the American tele-evangelists do it - even those who have been exposed as homosexuals, adulterers and frauds.

"But Jesus said: Do not forbid him. For there is no man that doth a miracle in my name, and can soon speak ill of me."

"For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect."

yes but you see to speak in Jesus name you speak for the Catholic church, because Jesus moves with the Catholic church not protestants or any other denominiation. ( Hard pill for you to swallow I would presume )

the above scripture passages show that one minute Jesus tells us that anyone who performs a miracle in his name cannot speak ill of him he then shows us that false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders but the devil does not want to heal people and bring them to Jesus, he cannot perform good for no good can be found in him.

when it comes to private revelation, and people who claim to be talking to Jesus, it is up to the CDF to pronounce such revelations false, not me. of course if one who is educated spots a clear and blatant heretical revelation then he must follow his conscience and leave it at that.

Its a shame that these t.v evangelists play that card, but I know theyre wrong, because I'm Catholic, its these protestant evangelists and over 30,000 denominations of them, that make the Catholic churches burden of anti- Christian behaviour harder to bear in these days and it was because of them that I found it difficult to come back to the church, because they made me so angry.

I blindly and naively beleive in the miracles wrought by the holy spirit to better a person, and private revelations also until the church tells me so or my good conscience forces me to abandon it.

I dont think you and I will agree on that, but just because we see a miracle being performed does not mean we condemn it straight away.

as for your whole devil truth thing. its summed up in this.

the devil cannot speak truth, he presents things as a lie. no truth can be found in him, all that comes from him is lies. Jesus is the way the truth and the life. however I dont think we are gonna agree on this one. I am now abandoning this thread also as I have a wedding to plan and other personal commitments which force me to do so.

thanks for the discussion

Grace be with you
Stephentlig.

wolfsbane · 13-10-2009 07:18PM

OK, Stephen.

I appreciate your openness. That gives me hope your conscience will do its good work.

Deise Tom · 26-10-2009 01:42PM

Pamela111 wrote: »

I went to this guy last Saturday for the 1st time - I have to say I was skeptical about him and the whole set up.

This man is truly a chosen apostle of God and of Our Lady. He is the real deal.

I went up for the bless and he invoked Jesus and said something in Aramic or some other language and he knocked me out :eek: I was lying on the ground unable to open my eyes and my mind became clear. I could move only my neck and hands but could hear people talking and walking over me.

It is caLLed being "in the Spirit" where he calls the Holy Spirit down and the Holy Spirit engulfs you for a matter of minutes.

Have a look, if you are Christian and have never been there please go on the last Saturday of the month even if you don't need healing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obsv5ddNnVQ

A true Christian would not accept a blessing from a non ordained person.

chozometroid · 26-10-2009 10:57PM

Deise Tom wrote: »

A true Christian would not accept a blessing from a non ordained person.

I don't support the guy, but what do you mean by ordained? Ordained by God, or "officially" ordained by a church organization?

postcynical · 27-10-2009 08:03AM

Deise Tom wrote: »

A true Christian would not accept a blessing from a non ordained person.

I would

Can you elaborate on this? Many of our day-to-day greetings are actually blessings, and as a Christian I'm sensitive to these. If I sneeze and somebody says "Bless you" I take it as a literal blessing and am grateful. Similarly "God speed" or "God bless" when departing.

Also if somebody is ordained (I presume you mean RCC here) they are only 'in persona Christi' when performing sacraments on behalf of the whole church. Blessing one another is normal Christian behaviour.

Deise Tom · 27-10-2009 10:36AM

chozometroid wrote: »

I don't support the guy, but what do you mean by ordained? Ordained by God, or "officially" ordained by a church organization?

Ordained by the church to be a priest. I dont think its right for Nuns or brothers either to go around blessing people.

Deise Tom · 27-10-2009 10:38AM

postcynical wrote: »

I would Can you elaborate on this? Many of our day-to-day greetings are actually blessings, and as a Christian I'm sensitive to these. If I sneeze and somebody says "Bless you" I take it as a literal blessing and am grateful. Similarly "God speed" or "God bless" when departing.

Also if somebody is ordained (I presume you mean RCC here) they are only 'in persona Christi' when performing sacraments on behalf of the whole church. Blessing one another is normal Christian behaviour.

When i say blessing, i mean the laying of hands on a person by another that is not an ordained person. However i have no problem with a person using phrases like God Bless You.

Eddie Stones, Clonfert, County Galway

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