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Ostrom · 10-08-2009 11:45AM

Undergod wrote: »

Post #40. The number is different alright, but that is probably cause the numbered list, and they deleted everything above 4.

That was me responding to the poster above, I posted critical comments beneath each point

nyarlothothep · 10-08-2009 11:47AM

No

Martyr wrote: »

here's a guy that thought hale bop would destroy the world back in 1997

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqSZhwu1Rwo

don't stare at his eyes too much.

religious people would love nothing more than to see the end of the world because they think God will fall from the
sky and save the good people and destroy all the bad people..etc :rolleyes:

I feel my mind melting like cheese on a frying pan. All these guys mixing physics with spiritualism deliver their lectures in the same kind of voice, intonation, the I'm going to convince you tone.

suey71 · 10-08-2009 12:26PM

No

King Mob, Great link to Hale Bop.

So it took a year for the general public to find out about this discovery.
By general public I mean Joe Blogs. I'm sure there where plenty of people in the know who new about it, even amature astronomers.

What I'm trying to say is, was this info held back from Joe Blogs for fear of mass hysteria?
And maybe Planet X has been discovered and we are being kept in the dark about it.

indough · 10-08-2009 02:11PM

suey71 wrote: »

What I'm trying to say is, was this info held back from Joe Blogs for fear of mass hysteria?
And maybe Planet X has been discovered and we are being kept in the dark about it.

i suppose they werent told because it wasnt very interesting, not trying to be smart btw

10-08-2009 02:29PM

suey71 wrote: »

King Mob, Great link to Hale Bop.

So it took a year for the general public to find out about this discovery.
By general public I mean Joe Blogs. I'm sure there where plenty of people in the know who new about it, even amature astronomers.

What I'm trying to say is, was this info held back from Joe Blogs for fear of mass hysteria?
And maybe Planet X has been discovered and we are being kept in the dark about it.

No. You're just looking for a conspiracy at this stage.

Hale-Bopp was known for a year and the information was available to anyone who was interested. But lay people weren't until it was visible.

There are loads and loads new bodies discovered in the solar system every year (and recently bodies in other solar systems). And you've probably not heard of any of them.

If there was a Planet X it would be fairly apparent even to a amateur astronomer.

But there is nothing to show the existence of an extra unknown planet that's going to end the world.
It's pure fantasy, nothing more.

Undergod · 11-08-2009 07:07PM

efla wrote: »

That was me responding to the poster above, I posted critical comments beneath each point

How embarassing for me. Pardon.

ben bedlam · 11-08-2009 07:26PM

The whole 2012 thing is complete bollox, a load of complete rubbbish that every year is managing to encompass more and more crackpot theories into a date with no more significance than any other date.

Firstly, the Mayans NEVER EVER claimed in any way that "the world would end in 2012" and EVERY SINGLE mainstream Mayan scholar will tell you this. Their calendar indeed ends sometime in 2012, but then it begins again. Our Geogian calendar ends every year on December 31, but do peope get upset about that? No. Secondly, the Mayans have inscriptions about dates beyond 2012, and these writings do not indicate anything about horrible events. Finally, the Mayans, like every civilisation in history, have never had access to anything that could in any way foretell the future.

Other muck spouted concerns rubbish like these:
Pole shifts.
Pole shift? A pole shift takes nearly 3000 years to complete, not something in the blink of an eye!

Nibiriu planet collision with earth:
A planet colliding with us in 2012? If so, where is it!? Any ameteur astronomer should see this

Its funny to see people peddling books like "Survive 2012". Ill be they are already writing their 2013 books along the lines of "2012: why we were spared". It will be great to finally pass this date, and let the countless piles of internet tripe on the subject calm down. Dont believe the bollox.

11-08-2009 11:24PM

antodeco wrote: »

Perhaps (with the help of the LHC) some form of time/dimension travel will come into existance.

Sorry, but the LHC won't help to produce anything like that.

suey71 wrote: »

I was reading an article by Remote Viewer Ed Dames recently and he said that he had remote viewed 2012.

Remote viewing? Seriously?

He said that planet X/Nubiru will pass by us on its cycle and its gravitational pull will make the oceans rise to hights of 2000 feet sending tidal waves around the world and drown most of the worlds costal cities. This will be followed by winds of up to 300mph.
Not a nice thought.

No, just no.

efla wrote: »

A quick google tells me this 'planet' is now visible in the night sky, but with no exact location.

Got any coordinates?

The co-ordinates don't exist, perhaps because the planet itself doesn't exist.

suey71 wrote: »

We were'nt told about Hale Bop until it was visible with the naked eye.
I saw it one morning as I was off to work, 5am.
Later that day it was on the news.

As King Mob has pointed out, it was discovered in 1995 and it was at its brightest in 1997. The reason the public didn't know about it was, quite frankly, ignorance.

suey71 wrote: »

So it took a year for the general public to find out about this discovery.
By general public I mean Joe Blogs. I'm sure there where plenty of people in the know who new about it, even amature astronomers.

It was discovered by an amateur astronomer, and the information about it's location was published widely and freely.

What I'm trying to say is, was this info held back from Joe Blogs for fear of mass hysteria?

No, an amateur discovered it. The details of its location were widely published from the moment it was discovered.

And maybe Planet X has been discovered and we are being kept in the dark about it.

I doubt it.

Ostrom · 12-08-2009 12:44AM

-JammyDodger- wrote: »

The co-ordinates don't exist, perhaps because the planet itself doesn't exist

Stab in the dark... At least if someone were to commit to a location, we could put this nonsense to rest. I remember the years prior to 2000, and internet usage was nothing like it was now. People were scared of YSK, nostradamus and whatever else filled the redtop 'pullout specials'.

People will be needlessly upset by this too.

faceman · 13-08-2009 10:47PM

One thing we can all safely predict. It will make lots of people lots of money as the hysteria kicks in!

13-08-2009 10:59PM

faceman wrote: »

One thing we can all safely predict. It will make lots of people lots of money as the hysteria kicks in!

I don't think it can be a prediction if it's already happening.

Randy_Bobandy · 14-08-2009 12:18AM

No

Why do the majority of people always take the assumption for granted that the date in 2012 has to mean something negative is going to happen? Nobody with any sense has ever said that the end of one age and the beginning of a new one in the mayan calendar has to necessarly be an event that could possibly even influencable by humans at large.

Mahatma coat · 14-08-2009 01:06AM

No

Randy_Bobandy wrote: »

Why do the majority of people always take the assumption for granted that the date in 2012 has to mean something negative is going to happen? Nobody with any sense has ever said that the end of one age and the beginning of a new one in the mayan calendar has to necessarly be an event that could possibly even influencable by humans at large.

hey, I've been sayin all along that I think this is the Actual Dawning of Aquarius, the Precession of the Zodiac so to say.

Please dont make me put in that youtubery from Hair again, Mkay.

course, charlie Frost might just be right too

DigiGal · 14-08-2009 09:46AM

No

I predicts mass suicides from all the lunatics who are driving themselves slowly insane with worry....and a massive income from religious cults....and more mass suicides

A shift in conciousness as is theorised prehaps....as all the idiots will have killed themselves...a new dawning in the rationality and logic of the human race HUZZAH"

DigiGal · 14-08-2009 09:56AM

No

-JammyDodger- wrote: »

Sorry, but the LHC won't help to produce anything like that.

Remote viewing? Seriously?

No, just no.

The co-ordinates don't exist, perhaps because the planet itself doesn't exist.

As King Mob has pointed out, it was discovered in 1995 and it was at its brightest in 1997. The reason the public didn't know about it was, quite frankly, ignorance.

It was discovered by an amateur astronomer, and the information about it's location was published widely and freely.

No, an amateur discovered it. The details of its location were widely published from the moment it was discovered.

I doubt it.

To agree with you about Planet X

If the object which is big enough to perturb the orbit of massive plaents in our solar system(Neptune and Uranus) as is being claimed it would have to be HUGE!

Theorists are claiming it to be 8 earth masses in size(Which I'm almost certain is not big enough to perturb the orbits of planets which I recall are around 10, 11 earth masses in size as jupiter is 8)

Nibiru or planet X etc...it is claimed is now visible in the night sky (complete with bogey arse pictures) According to the believers it is to pass on its orbit through the path of Mars, which is where it is "visible now"
Are you telling me that something as big as 8 earth masses was that close that every amateur astronomer, indiot with a telescope or kid with a pair odf binoculars wouldn't be able to see it. Heck if it is supposed to come that close to us in 2012 no matter how elliptical its orbit we are going to see it coming, so I doubt that every perosn in the world with a telescope is covering up its discovery!

fintonie · 14-08-2009 01:25PM

DigiGal wrote: »

To agree with you about Planet X

If the object which is big enough to perturb the orbit of massive plaents in our solar system(Neptune and Uranus) as is being claimed it would have to be HUGE!

Theorists are claiming it to be 8 earth masses in size(Which I'm almost certain is not big enough to perturb the orbits of planets which I recall are around 10, 11 earth masses in size as jupiter is 8)

Nibiru or planet X etc...it is claimed is now visible in the night sky (complete with bogey arse pictures) According to the believers it is to pass on its orbit through the path of Mars, which is where it is "visible now"
Are you telling me that something as big as 8 earth masses was that close that every amateur astronomer, indiot with a telescope or kid with a pair odf binoculars wouldn't be able to see it. Heck if it is supposed to come that close to us in 2012 no matter how elliptical its orbit we are going to see it coming, so I doubt that every perosn in the world with a telescope is covering up its discovery!

depending what the planets make up was I'm sure it could have an effect. But then again I would of taught it would need to 1000s of time the size of the earth to cause the problems being spoke of here

DigiGal · 14-08-2009 01:28PM

No

fintonie wrote: »

depending what the planets make up was I'm sure it could have an effect. But then again I would of taught it would need to 1000s of time the size of the earth to cause the problems being spoke of here

I'm not sure about the make-up gases etc....I just know the gravitational pull that being spoke of...

well not 1000s of times but like Neptune sized
thats why it can't be true

Can't gauge from your post..believer or not

CelticTiger* · 14-08-2009 01:39PM

No

Hazard a guess,

Either obama will be assinated, Ireland will emerge from recession, Brazil will officially be a developed nation, Scotland will achieve independence

DigiGal · 14-08-2009 01:40PM

No

Olympics in London I bet ya anything!

fintonie · 14-08-2009 01:43PM

DigiGal wrote: »

I'm not sure about the make-up gases etc....I just know the gravitational pull that being spoke of...

well not 1000s of times but like Neptune sized
thats why it can't be true

Can't gauge from your post..believer or not

I dont believe till I see, but it would be interesting to know what sort of a make up would a small planet have to have to cause massive effect on planets it passed close to.

DigiGal · 14-08-2009 01:44PM

No

fintonie wrote: »

I dont believe till I see, but it would be interesting to know what sort of a make up would a small planet have to have to cause massive effect on planets it passed close to.

Could be hydrogen based, like the sun...we'd be fecked then lol

briany · 07-09-2009 09:20PM

I think that something will happen but only cause I'm pretty sure theres some nut out there hell bent on making it happen......

juice1304 · 08-09-2009 01:08PM

There are great cycles in the cosmos which rule great events. One such is the cycle of the Great Zodiac Ages which spans almost 26,000 years. This is the time it takes our planet's equatorial plane(due to its axial wobble) to regress one full cycle along the solar plane(ecliptic). Each zodiac age can last anywhere from 2000 to 2300 years. The Age of Pisces in which we live is one of the shortest ages, beginning in 26 AD and ending in 2012 AD -or a total of just over 1986 years. In 1945 we entered the last degree of Pisces.And now we are going to be entering the age of Aquarius. so it is not the end of the world just the end of a zodiac age. :eek:
so nothing is going to happen. it is also the end of the myan long calender.

Torakx · 08-09-2009 01:50PM

No

there are theories that our dna is static in its essence and that light can change it also.
micheal tsarion has an interesting theory that it will be an age of enlightenment.where we will reach a higher level of intelligence.

its possible but im not sure how much credit i give to that.

Shepherd3 · 08-09-2009 02:36PM

juice1304 wrote: »

There are great cycles in the cosmos which rule great events. One such is the cycle of the Great Zodiac Ages which spans almost 26,000 years. This is the time it takes our planet's equatorial plane(due to its axial wobble) to regress one full cycle along the solar plane(ecliptic). Each zodiac age can last anywhere from 2000 to 2300 years. The Age of Pisces in which we live is one of the shortest ages, beginning in 26 AD and ending in 2012 AD -or a total of just over 1986 years. In 1945 we entered the last degree of Pisces.And now we are going to be entering the age of Aquarius. so it is not the end of the world just the end of a zodiac age. :eek:
so nothing is going to happen. it is also the end of the myan long calender.

Very mysterious stuff. Anyway aren't the zodiac signs just man made observations.

suey71 · 08-09-2009 03:28PM

No

What Civilzation developed the Signs of the Zodiac and how did they figure out how long each cycle lasted for?

Shepherd3 · 08-09-2009 04:23PM

suey71 wrote: »

What Civilzation developed the Signs of the Zodiac and how did they figure out how long each cycle lasted for?

Think it was the greeks, but the symbols they came up with have no signifigance other than to them. The cycle that gets mentioned with 2012 is the percession of the equinoxes, the earth wobbles on its axis as it orbits and every 27,000 years the constellations APPEAR to ratate. The constellations are just man made "important". I think there are more interesting things in the universe other than this 2012 thing.

Torakx · 08-09-2009 04:40PM

No

well i find it amazing the mayan knew what they did about the stars and building.
and also the egyptians technology.

Shepherd3 · 08-09-2009 04:50PM

You should read some Graham Hancock.

suey71 · 08-09-2009 08:09PM

No

Shepherd3 wrote: »

You should read some Graham Hancock.

I read Fingerprints of the Gods. Liked it but got a bit pissed off that he kept changing the content of the book every so many years.

I'd rather have Chariots of the Gods.

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