New motorway signs up already...

SeanW wrote: »

Someone seems to have put them all (or most) in on openstreetmap.org they have the M4 extension, the M11 redesignations, the M18, M20, the expanded M8, and the M2. But I think a bit of the N3 is due for redesignation and that's not listed.

All redesignated sections are indeed on OSM with, as you say, the exception of the Clonee Bypass which legally becomes M3. It is omitted because OSM practice is to "Map what's on the ground". As of a week ago, the Clonee Bypass has a solid yellow line but no other trappings of motorway status, so a map user would have difficulty reconciling the map with the physical (apparent) reality if we were to redesignate on the map.

There's another practical reason too. As mentioned, the section in question will flow directly onto the section of M3 under construction. Included the legal scope of the redesignation is parts of the road that would, if taken seriously today, extinguish the through route for southbound traffic that is prohibited from motorways. The most pragmatic way to map the redesignation would be to pretend that motorway restrictions applied only south of the Clonee North exit - but again, I won't be doing that until the blue signs appear. Until then, this is a secret motorway that will continue to be traficked by bicycles and pedestrians.

dannym08 wrote: »

i don't think the Ministerial Order said a time, just a date so by default it would have to kick in at 00:01 i'd say.

nope.it would be 00:00:01:D

Wild Bill wrote: »

Good Lord tech! Just been down the Naas Road (100 limit) and was being hassled in off the middle lane by tailgating vans. And I was doing 120! :mad:

No sympathy for you if the left lane was free. You must drive on the left unless overtaking. This is a big problem in Ireland ,many drivers, well it's a very high number of drivers driver in the middle lane on 3 lane sections. When the left most lane is free. So to overtake them you legally have to change from lane 1 to lane 3. It must be a "I can't be seen in the slow lane"

It's not a slow lane it's the left lane that you should be in.:cool:

According to my all knowing spreadsheet, in the Republic there is now approx 593 km of existing motorway (9.4 of which D4M) and a further 349km under construction. There is also 240km of DC (31km of which D3AP) and 41km UC.

NI has 109.4km of motorway (D5M 4km, D3M 9.7 km), 159km of DC (3.2km D3M ie Belfast Westlink) and 40km under construction

mackerski wrote: »

All redesignated sections are indeed on OSM with, as you say, the exception of the Clonee Bypass which legally becomes M3. It is omitted because OSM practice is to "Map what's on the ground". As of a week ago, the Clonee Bypass has a solid yellow line but no other trappings of motorway status, so a map user would have difficulty reconciling the map with the physical (apparent) reality if we were to redesignate on the map.

Look at that rte piece. M3 now signed.

Stark wrote: »

Yeah I saw the sign for M3 as I was coming towards it this morning.

I wonder if the M3 as it stands at present is currently the shortest motorway in the State

They snuck that one in at the last minute. So now it's a non-secret (out?) motorway, _and_ they've dropped the speed limit back to where it was. Hmm.

In any case, I've updated OpenStreetMap to reflect this, the online map is already displaying it except at lower zoom levels.

Edit: added map link

Stark wrote: »

I wonder if the M3 as it stands at present is currently the shortest motorway in the State

Forgot to mention this - the M32 is the shortest by quite a wide margin.