Ethical question about a convicted paedophile.

greendom · 23-08-2009 02:45PM

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Did you read the OP, there are children living either side of the property.

And I don't care how difficult he finds it tbh.

But you don't know that was his motivation, for choosing the property do you?

Sharpshooter · 23-08-2009 02:47PM

greendom wrote: »

But you don't know that was his motivation, for choosing the property do you?

And you don't know it's not.
I would say it's highly likely though.

Ickle Magoo · 23-08-2009 02:50PM

greendom wrote: »

But you don't know that was his motivation, for choosing the property do you?

And you don't know that it wasn't. For all we know it could well have been.

Rebelheart · 23-08-2009 02:50PM

helena.ryan wrote: »

Oh yeah, dont give the parents any heads up that their children are living near a convicted paedo, poor dear deserves another chance doesn't he. Thats bull, those kids safety mean a lot more than that bastards second chances. He had his chance to integrate into society before he ruined the life of an innocent child.

Let's just hang him now then. Spare the pretence of reform, integration, forgiveness, that wild notion that people actually change and a concept of justice that works more than one way. Nobody should be released from prison, because they had their "chance to integrate" before they committed their respective crimes. This is the logical consequence of this thinking. Just execute everybody convicted of a crime, because when they come out we as a society should hold it against them forever.

The choice is between forgiveness or becoming bitter and delusionally self-righteous. Most people are smart enough to opt for forgiveness. The law is shaped with this in mind.

renraw · 23-08-2009 02:50PM

I wouldn't rent it to him....these scumbags always repeat offence....there is no "fix" for their sick ways. If anthing happened to the neighbours kids, imagine how bad you'd feel

Birdie086 · 23-08-2009 02:50PM

greendom wrote: »

But you don't know that was his motivation, for choosing the property do you?

Ya, but you simply cannot ignore the fact that there are two families with children are living next door.
Its rare to see a recovering alcoholic in a pub for example or someone on a diet in a cake shop. How would you feel if was you next door and you had your kids to worry about.

Mrmoe · 23-08-2009 02:53PM

Easy decision to make, the answer should be no, every time.

Saibh · 23-08-2009 02:53PM

I would say no. And as posted, will he offend again or not, no one knows.

But I rather not take the chance that he might.

greendom · 23-08-2009 02:53PM

PCPhoto wrote: »

basically if the "criminal" has any degree of intelligence they give the docs the answer they want to hear ...go out and re-offend (its happened before and will happen again)

That's a bit like the way they used to treat witches in the dunking stool isn't it?

Rebelheart · 23-08-2009 02:53PM

renraw wrote: »

I wouldn't rent it to him....these scumbags always repeat offence....there is no "fix" for their sick ways.

Would you have statistics to support this "always" claim?

greendom · 23-08-2009 02:54PM

Ickle Magoo wrote: »

And you don't know that it wasn't. For all we know it could well have been.

I realise that - I was questioning Sharpshooter's opinion that the guy wanted to live near children

ilovelove · 23-08-2009 02:55PM

No way do not rent to him, these people often reoffend I dont believe you can ever "cure", if you will, a pedeophile and would always consider them a threat. He should live on his own on a deserted island and even then i wouldnt fully thrust him.

Ickle Magoo · 23-08-2009 02:55PM

Forgiveness is one thing, I think it would extremely ill advised to assume paedophiles have stopped fancying and wanting to have sexual relations with children because they once got caught & jailed for it.

I don't think you can expect people to have the same degree of forgive & forget for someone who gets turned on by children as most other sorts of petty criminal.

Whispered · 23-08-2009 02:56PM

Rebelheart wrote: »

Let's just hang him now then.

that would be the best thing to do. Yes.

Rebelheart wrote: »

This is the logical consequence of this thinking. Just execute everybody convicted of a crime, because when they come out we as a society should hold it against them forever.

murderers, rapists, paedos should never come out. I'm not talking about a petty crime here, or even a terrible crime commited in a moment of madness, the man is a convicted child molester and does not deserve anything from society.

Excuse me for having absolutely no sympathy. how bad I am for looking at these dregs of society with derision and replusion. Good for you, being to be able to overcome the fact that some child, some where, had their life ruined by this monster. If it was closer to home, one of your kids, nieces, nephews this person got near, I'm sure you wouldn't be saying the same. Let him move into your house, your neighbourhood. Let him integrate with your children. Afterall he does deserve a chance.

Abi · 23-08-2009 03:03PM

Sharpshooter wrote: »

I wouldn't rent to him tbh, the fact that he wants somewhere close to children would be setting the alarm bells off for me.

Its the first thing I thought of. If he had genuinely no intent of re-offending he wouldn't even consider an area with young families.

No freakin' way OP. But as someone else mentioned, somebody somewhere is going to be desperate enough to rent out to him =/

PCPhoto · 23-08-2009 03:05PM

Rebelheart wrote: »

Let's just hang him now then. Spare the pretence of reform, integration, forgiveness, that wild notion that people actually change and a concept of justice that works more than one way. Nobody should be released from prison, because they had their "chance to integrate" before they committed their respective crimes. This is the logical consequence of this thinking. Just execute everybody convicted of a crime, because when they come out we as a society should hold it against them forever.

The choice is between forgiveness or becoming bitter and delusionally self-righteous. Most people are smart enough to opt for forgiveness. The law is shaped with this in mind.

Rebelheart .... have you ever been the victim of a crime ?
Robbery, assault, rape, ever had your home burgled or had your wallet stolen ?

I think that anyone who has suffered at the hands of criminals will have little pity for them.....Personally I hate "do-gooder" types that defend criminals - if a criminal didnt break the law in the first place everyone would be happier.

The End Of Days · 23-08-2009 03:07PM

galwayrush wrote: »

I wouldn't rent to him, because knowing what he is( they can never be fully cured afaik) i would not like to feel responsible if he re-offended in my neighbourhood if i let him stay here.

renraw wrote: »

I wouldn't rent it to him....these scumbags always repeat offence....there is no "fix" for their sick ways. If anthing happened to the neighbours kids, imagine how bad you'd feel

ilovelove wrote: »

No way do not rent to him, these people often reoffend I dont believe you can ever "cure", if you will, a pedeophile and would always consider them a threat. He should live on his own on a deserted island and even then i wouldnt fully thrust him.

Annoying on too many levels for a Sunday.

@OP You are in a tuff spot.

But

invalidusername wrote: »

true, however you dont know my location, perhaps my property is next door to you or children you care for. Do you now feel the same?

By that statement you aready know your answer?

Four-Percent · 23-08-2009 03:08PM

helena.ryan wrote: »

nope, a landlord can rent his house out to whoever he wants.

Didn't know that, thanks.

AckwelFoley · 23-08-2009 03:11PM

Four-Percent wrote: »

Didn't know that, thanks.

I dont think thats entirely true. You cant be seen to discriminate against certain people from what i understand..race religion ..etc

My name is URL · 23-08-2009 03:12PM

I can't believe you needed to ask the question considering you know there are kids on either side of your property

wtf tbh

greendom · 23-08-2009 03:14PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I can't believe you needed to ask the question considering you know there are kids on either side of your property

wtf tbh

tbh it did cross my mind that the whole thing was a bit of a wind up.

Johnnnybravo · 23-08-2009 03:14PM

PCPhoto wrote: »

Rebelheart .... have you ever been the victim of a crime ?
Robbery, assault, rape, ever had your home burgled or had your wallet stolen ?

I think that anyone who has suffered at the hands of criminals will have little pity for them.....Personally I hate "do-gooder" types that defend criminals - if a criminal didnt break the law in the first place everyone would be happier.

Ditto, dogooders are the reason these people are back out on the street being rehabilitated. Hes ruined somebodys life, sexual abuse is not something you just get over. Why the hell should people give this guy an easy ride purely because it might look bad if they dont.

The death sentence would be too good for him.

Whispered · 23-08-2009 03:15PM

really? I was sure it was absolutely down to the LL who he rents to. I suppose if LL decides not to rent it to him, there is nothing he can do. It would be very hard to claim discrimination. Even if he did go on to claim it, could the LL could say he was doing what he felt best with his own house considering the circumstances of the mans past and the current neighbours?

Handsome Bob · 23-08-2009 03:15PM

invalidusername wrote: »

Im a regular user on boards, ive requested special permission from the powers that be, to go as a re reg on this issue for obvious reasons.

Recently we had a property for lease which we advertised. One of the prospective tennants that came impressed because of their manner and because of their demeanor and they were interested in taking the property.

Subsequent to taking a deposit it soon transpired that the person was a convicted paedophile and on a sex offenders list. It was also made clear to me what the offence included, it involved a very young child, and frankly i felt ill...

My concern is more for the neighbours, this man has offended before, not in the distant past - in this decade, there are young families either side of the property, if i were one of those families i wouldnt want that person near us. As a "landlord" im sure he'll pay his rent but that frankly not the issue

My question is, as he now is a free man in the eyes of the law do i rent him the property or do i go with my gut feeling and not rent the place to him..

This is solely down to your judgement. I think you know what will happen if you tell your neighbours, I guarantee you that they will lean on you to not let him stay on your property. Even if you ignore the pressure from your neighbours this guy will inevitably be run out of the place eventually.

So, telling your neighbours is quite futile, it's pretty much a way of you washing your hands of the situation.

Personally I wouldn't rent to him if kids are around the property. This guy should be making a conscientious decision to seek property that doesn't leave him in frequent contact with children. He may be rehabilitated (I would weep for the system if a decision like this was made to let a guy out lightly), but that doesn't mean he can't be tempted. It's just not worth the trouble, especially if you have more than one candidate who are looking to rent from you.

The End Of Days · 23-08-2009 03:15PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I can't believe you needed to ask the question considering you know there are kids on either side of your property

wtf tbh

The OP has a very serious moral problem.

That is why they asked on AH and included Spotted pedo choclate sauce as an opition in the Poll.

Less of the wtf tbh! :mad:

:pac:

MagicMarker · 23-08-2009 03:18PM

snyper wrote: »

I dont think thats entirely true. You cant be seen to discriminate against certain people from what i understand..race religion ..etc

Being a racist isn't illegal. It's the OP's house and he can do with it what he wants, regardless of personal preferences, colour or creed.

dvpower · 23-08-2009 03:18PM

To people who voted No (myself included); where would you expect this guy to live?

mink_man · 23-08-2009 03:21PM

no!

Whispered · 23-08-2009 03:21PM

Either prison or a minimum security facility which allows them to have a "normal" life within reason, a curfew, random checks etc.

ronbyrne2005 · 23-08-2009 03:21PM

Convicted criminals who pose a long term risk to society should be stuck in a gated town in the middle of nowhere or an island and be monitored in this gated town by police/parole officers etc.

Ethical question about a convicted paedophile.

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