Garda stabbed in Mayo

bazjnr · 09-08-2009 09:50AM #1

Just looking at the news this morning. Garda stabbed in the stomach in Westport last night. Hope s/he is ok. Male in mid teens arrested.

Wonder were they wearing their stab vest??

nayorleck114 · 09-08-2009 09:53AM

bazjnr wrote: »

Just looking at the news this morning. Garda stabbed in the stomach in Westport last night. Hope s/he is ok. Male in mid teens arrested.

Wonder were they wearing their stab vest??

Its westport, I would suppose he was not wearing a vest. Usually things a quiet in Mayo. Its a sad day to see this happen.

TheNog · 09-08-2009 10:28AM

09/08/2009 - 10:14:22
A Garda was in intensive care today after being stabbed in the stomach while on duty.

The officer underwent emergency surgery in the early hours of today and is described as being in a comfortable condition.

Gardaí said the member was on duty on James Street, Westport, investigating an incident when he was stabbed in the abdomen at about 1am.

He was rushed to Mayo General Hospital by colleagues.

A knife was recovered at the scene and a teenager was arrested.

He is being held at Westport Garda Station under the provisions of Section 4 of the Criminal Justice Acts.

The youth’s period of detention was extended earlier this morning.

Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/garda-in-intensive-care-after-stabbing-421829.html#ixzz0NgF38I91

Hope the member recovers quickly

jmccoy · 09-08-2009 11:24AM

Its terrible to hear news like this. I hope that the injured Garda makes a full and uncomplicated recovery and that the perpetrator gets a lot of time at our expense to think of what he has done.

old boy · 09-08-2009 11:29AM

a least the pc brigade will be unable to make excuses for this piece of schit, or will they, more than likely they will try.

source · 09-08-2009 11:38AM

sure you know yourself, from a broken family, drink or drug habit he's trying to shake, etc etc etc and whatever you're having yourself, the PC brigade will try to help everybody but the ones who deserve their attention.

meathstevie · 09-08-2009 11:45AM

When is the talk about sprays and tasers going to stop and the issueing to frontline gardai going to start ? To the injured party : a speedy recovery.

bean na gaeilge · 09-08-2009 11:55AM

Can't believe it! :eek: Im from the outskirts of Westport - just read the post and Im in shock!! Westport was always considered a safe quiet town.... however the amount of drugs anad violence has increased drastically in the last year or two - but never expected to read about something like this!! Its such a shame - to the injured party 'Get well' ....

Dr_Phil · 09-08-2009 12:01PM

bazjnr wrote: »

Male in mid teens arrested.

What's the point, he will be released with no charges soon... "Be good and don't do it again son".
Joke.

Sierra Oscar · 09-08-2009 12:13PM

I hope he makes a full recovery, and justice is served on the offender.

da__flash · 09-08-2009 12:34PM

i wish a speedy and full recovery to the member. .

cushtac · 09-08-2009 02:47PM

Dr_Phil wrote: »

What's the point, he will be released with no charges soon... "Be good and don't do it again son".
Joke.

You misunderstand what being released without charge means. It does not mean that the suspect is getting off scott-free. It means that a file must be submitted to the DPP in order for them to determine what charges, if any, are to be brought against them. Once that's decided the suspect is arrested in order to charge them.

ScubaDave · 09-08-2009 03:00PM

Get well soon!

realismpol · 09-08-2009 03:10PM

cushtac wrote: »

You misunderstand what being released without charge means. It does not mean that the suspect is getting off scott-free. It means that a file must be submitted to the DPP in order for them to determine what charges, if any, are to be brought against them. Once that's decided the suspect is arrested in order to charge them.

So let me get this straight someone stabs a cop they recover the weapon they have the suspect and the cop presumably knows who stabbed him so they have to send a file to the dpp to determine what charges need to be brought against him??? lol what? what is going on in this country ? That is a level of bureacracy that makes our country look more like a dictatorship then a democracy. Everything must be passed through the supreme leader. So what happened if the cop died do they need to send a file to the dpp to establish 'what charges if any need to be brought against the suspect'? Its a tad obvious isn't it. No wonder things move so slowly in this country.

We are way way behind, lightyears behind other countries in terms of the way our justice system operates. The problem is that issues like this should be deteremined by a local court not elevated to some national justice agency which decides everything from greedy landowner issues to cops getting shot and stabbed. Its a joke. Every time i hear 'a file is being sent to the dpp' i cringe because that means 'nothing will be done'. The way this should work is this guy should be in court next week on charges of attempted capital manslaughter and charged appropriately. That's the way it works in most countries. In the mean time he should be sitting in a prison cell. Simple as that.

no wonder people are so angry that suspects are out committing murder when on bail etc when you have a justice system which operates on a level on par with scooby doo mysteries... 'Bah ...and i would have got away with it too if it wasn't for that pesky dpp'

bazjnr · 09-08-2009 03:30PM

meathstevie wrote: »

When is the talk about sprays and tasers going to stop and the issueing to frontline gardai going to start ? To the injured party : a speedy recovery.

Firstly I too wish the guard a speedy recovery and hope the gouger that did it to him gets what he deserves(but i won't hold my breath on that given our justice system of late).

Leaving the Westport incident aside as the full facts are not known publically yet, I believe calling for sprays and tasers are all well and good and should be on issue but what about the equipment already on issue by that I mean the stab vest?

The GRA fought long and hard to get stab vests and the public were appalled that we didn't have them. But every day I see members not wearing stab vests either because they say they are not comfortable or they work in a small town where nothing happens or are just too lazy to put it on.

This unfortunate incident just highlights that knife crime can occur ANYWHERE not just in cities and perceived high risk areas. When you go to work you just don't know what is going to happen during those 8 hours. The stab vest is issued PPE and MUST be worn and it is neglect of duty not to wear it.

Hopefully this incident, whatever the circumstances are behind it, will make members think twice and think about themselves, their wives, husbands and families and put the damn thing on. I would rather wear an uncomfortable vest than an uncomfortable knife.

Apologies for the rant!!

cushtac · 09-08-2009 03:51PM

realismpol wrote: »

So let me get this straight someone stabs a cop they recover the weapon they have the suspect and the cop presumably knows who stabbed him so they have to send a file to the dpp to determine what charges need to be brought against him??? lol what? what is going on in this country ?

They have to decide if he'll be charged with Assault; Assault Causing Harm; Assault Causing Serious Harm; Assault on a Peace Officer or even Attempted Murder. It's not as straight forward as you seem to think.

realismpol wrote: »

That is a level of bureacracy that makes our country look more like a dictatorship then a democracy. Everything must be passed through the supreme leader.

Sending a file to the DPP ensures that each serious case is reviewed independently and any charges put forward have the correct basis in law. How is observing due process a sign of dictatorship?

realismpol wrote: »

So what happened if the cop died do they need to send a file to the dpp to establish 'what charges if any need to be brought against the suspect'? Its a tad obvious isn't it. No wonder things move so slowly in this country.

Yes a file would still have to be sent, the courts would demand it.

realismpol wrote: »

We are way way behind, lightyears behind other countries in terms of the way our justice system operates. The problem is that issues like this should be deteremined by a local court not elevated to some national justice agency which decides everything from greedy landowner issues to cops getting shot and stabbed.

And would you have the same court that decides on a charge then rule on the person's guilt in the trial? Courts determine innocence or guilt & hand down ruilings, they should not determine what charges be put forward.

realismpol wrote: »

Its a joke. Every time i hear 'a file is being sent to the dpp' i cringe because that means 'nothing will be done'.

It means nothing of the sort.

realismpol wrote: »

The way this should work is this guy should be in court next week on charges of attempted capital manslaughter and charged appropriately. That's the way it works in most countries. In the mean time he should be sitting in a prison cell. Simple as that.

Who would decide on the charge? On what basis would you deprive an innocent man, as he is innocent until proven otherwise in court, of his constitutional right to freedom?

Depriving someone of their liberty is a big deal and is not to be done lightly.

realismpol wrote: »

no wonder people are so angry that suspects are out committing murder when on bail etc when you have a justice system which operates on a level on par with scooby doo mysteries... 'Bah ...and i would have got away with it too if it wasn't for that pesky dpp'

Come back when you have a clue, rather than ill-informed waffle.

cushtac · 09-08-2009 03:54PM

bazjnr wrote: »

The stab vest is issued PPE and MUST be worn and it is neglect of duty not to wear it.

There's nothing in the code to say the vest must be worn and it is not a 'neglect of duty' to leave it off.

09-08-2009 04:09PM

First off, get well soon to the injured Garda.

Now, as for the stab vest. Nobody on here knows if the injured garda was wearing one or not. Even if he was wearing one they do not offer full protection. Look at this pic and see how far down it comes. Obviously this leaves room for a knife to go up and under which could easliy happen in a struggle. And until this goes to court we are not going to know exactly what happened so leave the speculation out.

When people are released pending a file to the DPP this is because in a lot of cases there may a range of charges to be considered. The arrested person may not have made any admissions while in custody and they have to wait for forensic evidence to come back. This works the same way in the UK. In some other European Countries the investigations are led by Investigative Judges, not the police. They instruct the police how to procede and can apply to hold a suspect in custody. Just look at the case during the week involving an irish criminal in holland. Over here the Gardai investigate and if there is enough evidence then a person will be charged, brought before the court, have bail objected to and then it is up to the judge to decide is bail is issued or not. If it is then it will come with conditions. Break them and expect to be back before the judge.

mal1 · 09-08-2009 04:20PM

realismpol - I don't think that you should be saying that the Irish justice system is light years behind other countries when it's clearly evident from your post that you don't fully understand the role of the DPP.

Have a good look:

http://www.dppireland.ie/questions_and_answers/

Others posters should also refrain from posting wildly general statements in relation to the duties of the garda involved. Nobody here knows the details of what happened last night.

I hope the garda recovers fully and quickly. Fingers crossed

Dr_Phil · 09-08-2009 04:23PM

cushtac wrote: »

You misunderstand what being released without charge means.

Possibly. I also don't understand why so many decent people have to rot 6 feet under while the murderes walk around and lauch, just because they are a teen scumbags supported by a local community. That is what I really don't understand.

09-08-2009 05:30PM

Dr_Phil wrote: »

What's the point, he will be released with no charges soon... "Be good and don't do it again son".
Joke.

Charged to court tomorrow. Hope your happy with our speedy system now.

Dr_Phil · 09-08-2009 05:54PM

foreign wrote: »

Charged to court tomorrow. Hope your happy with our speedy system now.

It's not about it's speed, but it's indulgence in vast majority of cases.

Hopefully this "charming young man" rots in jail.

Boston · 09-08-2009 06:05PM

bazjnr wrote: »

Firstly I too wish the guard a speedy recovery and hope the gouger that did it to him gets what he deserves(but i won't hold my breath on that given our justice system of late).

Leaving the Westport incident aside as the full facts are not known publically yet, I believe calling for sprays and tasers are all well and good and should be on issue but what about the equipment already on issue by that I mean the stab vest?

The GRA fought long and hard to get stab vests and the public were appalled that we didn't have them. But every day I see members not wearing stab vests either because they say they are not comfortable or they work in a small town where nothing happens or are just too lazy to put it on.

This unfortunate incident just highlights that knife crime can occur ANYWHERE not just in cities and perceived high risk areas. When you go to work you just don't know what is going to happen during those 8 hours. The stab vest is issued PPE and MUST be worn and it is neglect of duty not to wear it.

Hopefully this incident, whatever the circumstances are behind it, will make members think twice and think about themselves, their wives, husbands and families and put the damn thing on. I would rather wear an uncomfortable vest than an uncomfortable knife.

Apologies for the rant!!

It's a mistake to assume a stab vest will stop you getting stabbed, or that just because some was stabbed that he wasn't wearing one.

bazjnr · 09-08-2009 06:07PM

cushtac wrote: »

There's nothing in the code to say the vest must be worn and it is not a 'neglect of duty' to leave it off.

HQ circular last year- update your code

TriciaDelicia · 09-08-2009 06:08PM

Was on the bus today heard 2 skaggers talking about it, was truly aghast at what they were saying. Poor bloke was only doing his job and here's these scumbags laughing and joking about it. Really disgusted.

Hope he gets well soon.

BrandonFlowers · 09-08-2009 06:20PM

Wearing a stab vest is indeed now in the garda code and was actually probably one of the first thing i was told as a phase one student last year, WEAR YOUR STAB VEST!!!!

thats not to say this member wasn't wearing one as has already been discussed on this thread.

on the pepper spray front, all frontline members are apparently (and i use that term in its loosest possible sense) going to be equipped with it by christmas and indeed, there was a course on it in the college two weeks ago in which instructors from every division were being trained in how to train the rest of us(which i witnessed). looks pretty good.

lastly, a speedy recovery to the member and hope everyone else who hears this story decides to take extra care on duty.

bazjnr · 09-08-2009 06:23PM

foreign wrote: »

Now, as for the stab vest. Nobody on here knows if the injured garda was wearing one or not. .

Obviously you guys didn't bother to read my post correctly. i deliberately said i wasn't talking about the Westport incident. i don't know if he was wearing a vest or not.

Boston wrote: »

It's a mistake to assume a stab vest will stop you getting stabbed, or that just because some was stabbed that he wasn't wearing one.

i was speaking about the many members i see go out to work everyday NOT wearing one. and i know a vest doesn't offer 100% guaranteed protection from being stabbed i never made that assumption. but a stab vest certainly offers more protection than a cotton shirt.

Trojan911 · 09-08-2009 06:35PM

bazjnr wrote: »

The stab vest is issued PPE and MUST be worn and it is neglect of duty not to wear it.

OP,

Not sure on the Musts, but you are right in the sense that it does give added protection to the major organs front & back. It is in the interests of all law enforcement agencies to wear this vest irrespective of where an officer is posted, be it sleepy hollow or a big bad city.

Putting this officers case aside, as I don't know the full facts and he may well have been wearing protection and a speedy recovery to him.

However,

If an officer is injured in the course of his/her duties and it is found after that no protection was worn when it was readily available then, no doubt, it will/may hinder recovery thus having an officer off sick longer than he/she may have to be had they been wearing this protection and also reduce any financial claim that may follow.

I always wore mine in London and considered those who didn't as negligent.

They are issued for a reason.

TriciaDelicia · 09-08-2009 06:41PM

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/teenager-charged-over-garda-stabbing-421917.html

DubMedic · 09-08-2009 07:16PM

Scumbag, there should be a zero tolerance rule for attacks on members of the Emergency Services.

Get well soon Garda.

.

Whippo · 09-08-2009 07:22PM

There are a lot of posts here with regards to law this and law that. Whatever the outcome is, no person other than no person has the right to stab another person. Its a fundamental human right to be able to enjoy the country of Ireland free from all intimidation and harassment.

If this youth gets away scott free it will really show the true face of the Irish judicial system. Come on Aherne, get the finger out, stop adding up expense receipts, do something proactive for your country...

Garda stabbed in Mayo

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