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Gaelcon has Street Fighter tournament

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  • #32
    Jim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,181 ✭✭✭✭Jim


    Its very very strange to ban Akuma based on what he was like in another game (I'm assuming its based off SF2 since Thaed mentioned this rule has been inplace sicne Jan). Its also very strange to implement rules onto a game when it wasn't even released at the time.

    If Eir-rage wants to be taken seriously I think it needs to re evaluate its rule system and base its rules more on international tournament standards (for all games, not just SF) rather than on player polls. Of course if its going for a more casual base then player polls is fine, but it will alienate alot of players from going and participating.

    (The comments weren't directed at you Thead, I know you don't run the tournament or set the rules, its just my general feedback!)


  • #33
    Dreddybajs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,229 ✭✭✭Dreddybajs


    Azza wrote: »
    Yeah but Evo is dedicated to fighting games soley and the event is geared to that end accordingly,as well as that the organisers would be extremely well versed in fighting games and very experienced.

    The comeptitions where run on 24 PS3 over 3 days with a least 18+ hours of game time available to them. Who knows how many admins (Judges) there was.

    I doubt Eir-Rage is anywhere remotely that will equiped and organised :D

    So unless they provide us with a number of machines/organisers and the estiamted time we don't really know whats viable for the organisers.

    This is all true but doesn't really refute the fact that setting your own controls wouldn't cause massive delays one way or the other, which was my point as an addendum onto Kirby's post!


  • #34
    Azza
    Moderators Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭Azza


    It does cause delays, just not that significant.


  • #35
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,044 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Good feedback is great, honestly it gives me questions I can put to the Gaelcon liasion for this who can then push back on Eir-rage.

    While I have taken part in and helped run comps at lans it's been more fps, rpgs and strat games for me and while I did get enamoured with figthing games when I got my paws Killer Instict many many moons ago I haven't honestly put time into one after I finished Soul Calibre 2.

    Mind you that might have to change as my brats get older can't have'em beating me.


  • #36
    Ivan
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 4,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ivan


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    It is the first year of it and I am sure the rules will be up for reconsideration when it's done, like I said those rules have been place from January and will be for Gaelcon, I am sure that any input or concerns you have will be taken on board by Brain if you email him.

    As far as I know the rule on not customising the controllers is to keep a standard setting to stop delays in-between rounds.
    More likely the tournament will have such a poor turn-out that it will be decided that it should just be cancelled next year rather than review the decisions which caused such a poor turnout.

    I doubt I ever would have attended regardless, havent been to a Gaelcon event in many years but if there was ever a reason to attend - Streetfighter tournament would have been it.


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  • #37
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,044 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Having been at Warpcon in Cork and Itzacon in Galway the Eir-rage Tournys seemed buys enough and the consoles were not left idle at all and the Eir-rage Facebook profile is busy enough with with people interacting with it.

    I would suggest that if those here want to hae input with how Eir-Rage do things they start interacting with them.


  • #38
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Once again guys Thaed's not organising this tournament. There's no point in addressing her as such. She's with Gaelcon not Eir rage. Eir rage are organising the tournament. To my knowledge no one (yet) representing them are here. As pointed out I will mail the games director though.

    I think the main problem here is how these rules have been decided.

    Lets be honest, if there was a big cash prize for a tournament and the masses were allowed vote to decide, the first two rules would be "No one called Daigo and no one called Justin Wong are allowed play". Not right and not fair but makes sense for the masses to do.

    The thing with the buttons is quite ridiculous. Do they also demand people playing keyboard FPS use a certain set up? It is the same thing.

    The thing to note is yes these rules will attract players- right now. that's because, right now, there is a massive casual audience for fighting games.

    But just like, for example, professional wrestling, it is extremely dangerous to court these people at the expense of the "hardcore" fanbase. Because when the next big thing hits the fad audience will be gone and the only people left to sell to will be the people you've just spent the last while alienating (In my above analogy, the 1990s.)


  • #39
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Thaed, if you're going to them with questions, a very important one is is status of sticks. I have a sneaking suspicion from the layout rule that they wouldn't take kindly to one of us whipping out one of our (officially licencsed by Capcom) standard or tournament sticks.


    For powerful game.


  • #40
    animaX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭animaX


    Yeah, it would be silly to ban the use of sticks at a street fighter tourny!!

    Message to Eir rage organisers (provided a link to this thread is passed on): you could get a significant boost in numbers attending the SF tournament if you made sensible rules. I for one would definitely consider going, but not as it is currently.


  • #41
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    I get the feeling from the rules and stuff that you would look like a bit of twat turning up to this with a stick.


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  • #42
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    bush wrote: »
    I get the feeling from the rules and stuff that you would look like a bit of twat turning up to this with a stick.

    Ever been to Gaelcon?

    There will be people in costume there.

    Oh yes.


  • #43
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,648 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Doctor DooM wrote: »
    Ever been to Gaelcon?

    There will be people in costume there.

    Oh yes.

    I wasn't going to turn up to this because of the awful rules but if it means I can put on my sakura costume, I'll think about it.


  • #44
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    bush wrote: »
    I get the feeling from the rules and stuff that you would look like a bit of twat turning up to this with a stick.
    Fuzzy memories of beating the crap stick-using Guile 2-0 at Fibber's... :D


  • #45
    Reanimemmett
    Closed Accounts Posts: 123 ✭✭Reanimemmett


    At SFIV or SF2?


  • #46
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Stay on topic guys. This isn't a thread for messing around.


  • #47
    Xinkai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Xinkai


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    /Gaelcon online PR hat on :P

    The console tournies running at Gaelcon this year are being ran by Eir-Rage.
    http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=8255165063
    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=37294349804





    The rules for the SF4 comp which were decided via polls on bebo and facebook and which have been running all year are.

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=37294349804&ref=ts#/topic.php?uid=37294349804&topic=7146



    The rules for the SOUL CALIBER 4 comp which were decided via polls on bebo and facebook and which have been running all year are.

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=37294349804&ref=ts#/topic.php?uid=37294349804&topic=5859



    There is an entry fee to the tourny I will have to double check what it is and get back to you guys when I have it confirmed.

    The contact for the gaelcon committee members directly invovled in running this is:
    Brian Wilson,
    Gaelcon Console Game Coordinator
    consoles@gaelcon.com




    If this is 'Brian Wilson' who posted this, then you sir, are a ****ing retard. No wonder Geal-Con was so full of failure and 12 year olds last year. Don't you realise SF4 & SC4 players need to bind buttons to how they play if they play on a stick?! Your ****ty rules will never, NEVER get hardcore players who have the power to make Gael-Con into something successful. As i said before, you sir, are a ****ing retard. =]


  • #48
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    Stupid fast heavy kick :D


  • #49
    Sabre0001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭Sabre0001


    Xinkai wrote: »
    If this is 'Brian Wilson' who posted this, then you sir, are a ****ing retard. No wonder Geal-Con was so full of failure and 12 year olds last year. Don't you realise SF4 & SC4 players need to bind buttons to how they play if they play on a stick?! Your ****ty rules will never, NEVER get hardcore players who have the power to make Gael-Con into something successful. As i said before, you sir, are a ****ing retard. =]

    Thaed isn't Brian Wilson...And this post seems a bit OTT. Yes, the rules are not good but you could take a pro-active and positive approach like some of the lads here and contact him with constructive criticism.

    Also, GaelCon is just allowing Eir-rage to host events there. They are not running them so again, it's not their fault...

    🤪



  • #50
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Xinkai wrote: »
    If this is 'Brian Wilson' who posted this, then you sir, are a ****ing retard. No wonder Geal-Con was so full of failure and 12 year olds last year. Don't you realise SF4 & SC4 players need to bind buttons to how they play if they play on a stick?! Your ****ty rules will never, NEVER get hardcore players who have the power to make Gael-Con into something successful. As i said before, you sir, are a ****ing retard. =]

    I've given a warning for this.

    You are NOT allowed insult other members on boards. Sitewide rule

    ... that said you're wrong, I can confirm Thaed is definitely not Brian Wilson, having met both in the past.


  • #51
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Reanimemmett wrote: »
    At SFIV or SF2?
    SF2:HF.
    I even switched away from flowchart Ryu for that.

    Then I was perfected by some Claw player...


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  • #52
    Reanimemmett
    Closed Accounts Posts: 123 ✭✭Reanimemmett


    bush wrote: »
    Stupid fast heavy kick :D

    Yeah, it's ridiculous, I'm never able to hold back in time to block it.....:rolleyes:


  • #53
    Xinkai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Xinkai


    I apologise for my wrding, it was OTT i'm sorry, but as a long time fighting game fan with big tournament experience, these rules are just plain silly. I readt a post in here that says Rage should've looked for the hardcore scene and asked us. It caters to casuals ok, but these rules basically ELIMINATE the hardcore players. I'll take the main fighting game tourney EVOLUTION for example. It's an OPEN tournament, there are NO RULES AGAINST simple things like BUTTON CHANGING, or if this is true about not being allowed to use a stick, you need to contact MrWizard and he will give you EVO rules. EVO is another tournament where players from all over the world enter. Best part is the rules CATER TO EVERYONE, Casual players turn up, Pro's turn up too. Pro's win ok, but there's the drive for casuals to step it up and try again next year. I could go on but i showed this to a friend of mine who hit home points better than any of us could.

    From Jericho MPM TFS of London via MSN.
    Ok safe i read that thread i don't get the host like not allowing button change or sticks if your banning arcade people to a console event then there is nobody playing the game period if they wonder why the main people don't turn up and make no money then safe also.

    + whoever made them rules clearly dont understand games so if no fireballs are allowed can zangief 360 and ride it all the way to victory or better yet can dhalsim poke people to death since ryu guile chunli ken cant throw projectiles.

    as for akuma he is beatable he aint even toptier so why they ban him anyway

    Also AKUMA is Banned due to the stupid fast Heavy kick amongst other things! -- hold on what people dont know how to block a kick or something.

    As for sc4 Ivy how can u ban someone who has to commit attacks for something to work in the 1st place, If they block it it don't work so shes not a broken character.

    with all them rules it may as well be free

    u cant be expecting people to pay for a tournament that strips down games to point of them not even being worth played.


  • #54
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    Xinkai wrote: »
    stupid fast Heavy kick


    Im still getting a laugh off this, sounds like a 10 year old came up with the rule.


  • #55
    Xinkai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Xinkai


    HADOUKEN HADOUKEN HADOUKEN HADOU...... WTF U MEAN I'M BANNED?!?!?

    lol just thought i'd 'throw that one' out there :P


  • #56
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    It just keeps getting better...
    Legend Gerry wrote:
    While we were mucking about in cork we added Bots to the gears teams and we found it much more entertaining . So I'm considering making an additional bot to each team
    Thoughts?
    Ewan Byrne wrote:
    In a completion[sic] you cannot have bots,
    Legend Gerry wrote:
    Says who? It really did add to the drama and those that played enjoyed the game a lot more. Given the sheer amount of whinging that gears players have been getting up to scene wide you'd think they would appreciate a more enjoyable competition. And you did want the competitions to be changed to 5 vs 5. :)
    ...
    ...
    Yeah, so you'll never see me in Sligo...


  • #57
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Just to clarify, the really stupid rules mentioned above were for some online tournament, not for the one at Gaelcon. The only silly rules confirmed so far that I can see for Gaelcon is no button recofig and no akuma.

    I may delete that bit of the post earlier as it's misleading people.


  • #58
    Xinkai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Xinkai


    If i may make a suggestion, talk to Leprikaun, his rules for XGC ranbats(?) are solid, but since we have more time, make it best of 3 instead of winner of 1 match.


  • #59
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Doctor DooM wrote: »
    Just to clarify, the really stupid rules mentioned above were for some online tournament, not for the one at Gaelcon. The only silly rules confirmed so far that I can see for Gaelcon is no button recofig and no akuma.

    I may delete that bit of the post earlier as it's misleading people.
    Post edited for clarity, Doom.


  • #60
    Dreddybajs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,229 ✭✭✭Dreddybajs


    Xinkai wrote: »
    If i may make a suggestion, talk to Leprikaun, his rules for XGC ranbats(?) are solid, but since we have more time, make it best of 3 instead of winner of 1 match.

    A lot of the match rules were decided by Azza, not Leprekaun, with a little help from myself and others. No disrespect to Lep as he did a lotta work, just pointing it out.

    Also namecalling etc. is never going to be constructive, even if you're worked up over this it isn't going to bring about a positive result for anybody. We are putting in work trying to build a fighting game community in this country, and mouthing off personal insults at people who are willing to put in work organising tournaments (even if currently they're going about it in a flawed way) isn't gonna help.

    Never been to Gaelcon before, nor met you, and obviously don't know the context, but I'm just speaking as someone who'd like to see this scene flourish.


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  • #61
    Orim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Orim


    When I posted this I didn't realise the rule set that was in place and I do agree that it is a strange one.

    Regarding the rule set I cannot see why it cannot be changed as I can find no information on the facebook regarding any league structure which means that this would be a one-off.
    Also the rules go against the game being casual-friendly (the controls are completely different from the default to the point of excluding casual players) and it alienates the hardcore players who want to set their own. The only people these rules benefit are those that are used to those controls.
    The Akuma banning doesn't bother me so much but also seems to be the sign of people taking votes based on preference and their own skills.

    Having said all that I think it would be great if people could get past these problems and show up. It would be interesting to see what kind of interest there is out beyond the group that is basically confined to boards. You never know it might get people talking and we could add some extra people to the scene that is slowly building.


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