Oasis, are they twats or not?

VegetativeState · 19-06-2009 11:05PM

Even still I don't think that makes sense. I like Bloc Party but despise Keane and I don't think they're doing anything different to be honest, fairly standard pop tripe.

And there are lots of exciting bands nowadays, you just have to look beyond the mainstream. Most people like to hear stuff they can be comfortable and familiar with so if you want something new and exciting and an artist that doesn't give a ****e you have to be a bit more discerning.
You don't even have to look that far. John Frusciante's solo stuff is unreal. It's not even funny how vastly better he is than the chilis.

lordgoat · 19-06-2009 11:10PM

VegetativeState wrote: »

I don't think anyone's saying that. More so the opposite. My suggestion was that all music is an amalgamation of that which came before (with the possible exception of John Cage!). Dismissing it based on how similar it is to another one band's style or how technically challenging, or just how challenging it is to the listeners ear, is kind of unnatural as it doesn't reflect the way music evolves. With some bands their influences are just more obvious. And granted, a lot of bands are just ripping others off but I don't think Oasis are one of these. Or at least they weren't back in the day.

See i think alot of people (not you) are saying that. I would still disagree that all music is an amalgamaltion of what came before. There are many John Cages out there. And there's alot more to Cage than 4 33.

I should also have been more clear about my use of the phrase '3 chord band'. To me it means a large lack of deviation from their generic sound. Some of my favourite songs have 3 chords but the bands which composed them have many more strings to their bow.

I would disagree that Oasis don't rip off people.

"Bang a gong" - T-rex Vs "Cigarettes & Alcohol" - Oasis.

(about three chords in them as well)
This is one of the worst offenders. I only know the oasis song as it gets me every time i expect T Rex. Annoyingly i don't even like the T Rex song that much either. And yes this is only one song but if i looked i prob could find more. To me, this is not being influenced by, it's copying, lazy, uninspiring and maybe Oasis fans don't know/care about it and that is fine, but to me it lessens a crap band, even more.

Uncle Arthur · 19-06-2009 11:25PM

lordgoat wrote: »

See i think alot of people (not you) are saying that. I would still disagree that all music is an amalgamaltion of what came before. There are many John Cages out there. And there's alot more to Cage than 4 33.

I should also have been more clear about my use of the phrase '3 chord band'. To me it means a large lack of deviation from their generic sound. Some of my favourite songs have 3 chords but the bands which composed them have many more strings to their bow.

I would disagree that Oasis don't rip off people.

"Bang a gong" - T-rex Vs "Cigarettes & Alcohol" - Oasis.

(about three chords in them as well)
This is one of the worst offenders. I only know the oasis song as it gets me every time i expect T Rex. Annoyingly i don't even like the T Rex song that much either. And yes this is only one song but if i looked i prob could find more. To me, this is not being influenced by, it's copying, lazy, uninspiring and maybe Oasis fans don't know/care about it and that is fine, but to me it lessens a crap band, even more.

no that instance is not copying, if that was the case bolan would be credited on the album.
as far as im aware that riff is in the public domain and is free for anyone to use, like johnny b.goode.

lordgoat · 19-06-2009 11:46PM

Uncle Arthur wrote: »

no that instance is not copying, if that was the case bolan would be credited on the album.
as far as im aware that riff is in the public domain and is free for anyone to use, like johnny b.goode.

You are missing the point. And by your own admission it is copying.

Uncle Arthur · 19-06-2009 11:53PM

touché but bolan copied too, i dont hear you criticise him?
i know you didnt exactly say it, but oasis did not plagiarise that song

Cormac2791 · 19-06-2009 11:57PM

fillmore jive wrote: »

Blur.... or Oasis?

Oasis, or Blur?

...Blur

wha???

Oasis, Oasis

menta · 19-06-2009 11:59PM

In all fairness, have they progressed one ounce? Nope, same old tired ass songs. Granted the songs are good(Talk Tonight being a personal favourite) but they must be the most safest band you'll ever listen to.

Uncle Arthur · 20-06-2009 12:06AM

menta wrote: »

In all fairness, have they progressed one ounce? Nope, same old tired ass songs. Granted the songs are good(Talk Tonight being a personal favourite) but they must be the most safest band you'll ever listen to.

depends on your definition of progression, there is some difference between say rock 'n roll star (1994), gas panic(2000) and waiting for the rapture(2008)

menta · 20-06-2009 12:13AM

Uncle Arthur wrote: »

depends on your definition of progression, there is some difference between say rock 'n roll star (1994), gas panic(2000) and waiting for the rapture(2008)

The way I see it is, the progression which was made(if any)cannot be called progression because if you played Oasis track to track(discounting the production, which would be cleaner and clearer) little or nothing has occured in between times.

Now that's just my opinion.

lordgoat · 20-06-2009 12:25AM

menta wrote: »

The way I see it is, the progression which was made(if any)cannot be called progression because if you played Oasis track to track(discounting the production, which would be cleaner and clearer) little or nothing has occured in between times.

Now that's just my opinion.

And you're not alone in it. Zero progression musically, any of their songs could come from any of their albums. zzzzzzz

lordgoat · 20-06-2009 12:27AM

Uncle Arthur wrote: »

touché but bolan copied too, i dont hear you criticise him?
i know you didnt exactly say it, but oasis did not plagiarise that song

The thread is about oasis - not t rex.

And yes oasis intended to rob t rex so yes it's plagarism. Anyone that has ears (that work) can tell that.

Aridstarling · 20-06-2009 01:00AM

nummnutts wrote: »

No they are not twats. Quite the contrary.

No band imo has even come close to them, in recent years. Razor****e, snow patrol, kings of leon etc can all go ****e for all I care.

Music hasn't really been intersesting since the mid-to-late 90's. There's no exciting bands anymore. They are all controlled by the benjamin and the record companies/fashion designers.

Oasis were the last not to give a **** about anything, and for that I shall be forever greatful.

Man, really? If you think Razorlight, Snow Patrol and Kings of Leon represent the best of contemporary rock music I think you'll find yourself sorely mistaken... There are many, many bands out there that just do their own thing, many more innovative and exciting than the majority of what has come before them.

VegetativeState · 20-06-2009 12:09PM

In my opinion if razorlight and snow patrol are the best of contemporary rock then contemporary rock isn't worth listening to.

They have progressed. Not as much as the likes of Radiohead or whatever but they don't repeat themselves verbatim. They're good at what they do I think. Mind you I'm heavily biased as they were the first band that I got in to when I was a kid so maybe I'm not being completely objective.

And yeah they did take directly from T Rex, but it's a fairly bog-standard blues riff so it's hardly relevant who did it first. Both songs are substantially different, just use the same riff. They're delivered very differently, context is important.

lordgoat · 20-06-2009 12:55PM

VegetativeState wrote: »

In my opinion if razorlight and snow patrol are the best of contemporary rock then contemporary rock isn't worth listening to.
They are not
They have progressed. Not as much as the likes of Radiohead or whatever but they don't repeat themselves verbatim. They're good at what they do I think. Mind you I'm heavily biased as they were the first band that I got in to when I was a kid so maybe I'm not being completely objective.
I'd disagree again but not sure well agree ever so! That ones grand.

And yeah they did take directly from T Rex, but it's a fairly bog-standard blues riff so it's hardly relevant who did it first. Both songs are substantially different, just use the same riff. They're delivered very differently, context is important.
(Not getting into the technical differences between the two - to me they might as well be the same song.)

See to me this is the problem, yes t rex may have used some blues riff and then oasis use it and in a few years time someone else will. But in between these are original bands/people making original music.

Apologies for the bold, just think it's the easiest way of addressing points.

Quint · 20-06-2009 10:24PM

People, arguing weather a band is good or not is pointless. Just because someone changes their style every album doesn't make them good. And you don't need a reason to like or dislike any music. It's entirely subjective weather a band is good or not.
This thread is about weather they're twats or not:D
And so far it's looking like Liam = Twat, Noel = Sound guy

osnola ibax · 21-06-2009 01:16AM

Put on "sticky finger" on DBTT by oasis, quickly follow this by "waiting for my man" by velvet underground, then answer this question:

What is the point in oasis anymore?

I was one of there biggest fans, I tried to grow the hair (didn't work), I bought the kangol jacket, and the blue oasis tshirt that everyone had, I was a fanboy b4 that term was even coined "blur are crap" etc etc etc. Pairc ui caoimh was one of the greatest days of my life. I had the b side boxsets in the shape of benson & hedges boxes, and all their recorded interviews. The first song I learned to play on the guitar was wonderwall, I could soon play all their songs (cause most chords were the same not because I was a fast learner, if u don't believe me check out wonderwall, whatever, cast no shadow, talk tonight, dye know what I mean and others).

I sang whatever at a school concert, I tried to walk like Liam gallagher and sing like Noel. They were quite simple the greatest band since a-ha.

I went to see them again in the point when Noel played on his own cause Liam has a sore throat and at the end during the usual enchore finisher of acquiesque, Liam walked out on stage, swaggered around like a drunk monkey and walked of again, genius.

I even liked be here now, especially the title track, stand by me and one other I can't remember the name of. And then.....

And then they put out SOTSOG and I got over that phase of my life and moved on.. ... I figured Liam actually wasn't a genius at all and have now made a list of real genei as follows:

1. Thom Yorke 2. Richard d James

rant over, good luck to you all

Red Sleeping Beauty · 22-06-2009 05:46AM

CoachBoone wrote: »

Beatles ripped off Chuck Berry.
Stone Roses ALSO ripped off Beatles. Jimi Hendrix too.
etc etc

Its how music works unfortunately...

Chuck Berry ripped off his cousin Marvin!

Oasis, twats ? I've a soft spot for a few of their songs but they've really ventured outside their comfort zone much and the band's had so many member changes it's not really a band so much as it's a religion with two demigods now

But as a soundtrack to the masses, for the working classes they have some fantastic songs. Amateurs pay homage and genius' plagarise (or however the quote goes). I don't think the great body of their work (!) is that much of a Beatles rip off when you scrutinise it track by track .

overexcitedaj · 22-06-2009 11:05AM

to be honest who cares if they are?
They write pretty decent tunes and thats all that matters imo

Hardrain · 22-06-2009 11:11AM

osnola ivax wrote: »

Put on "sticky finger" on DBTT by oasis,

Think you mean 'Mucky Fingers'

osnola ibax · 22-06-2009 03:07PM

Hardrain wrote: »

Think you mean 'Mucky Fingers'

I certainly do

flanzer · 22-06-2009 04:34PM

Saw Liam Gallagher in the airport at lunchtime and he was doing photos with anyone who asked for one. Very obliging. He did easily 20 photos in the couple of minutes I saw him. nice bloke

Back in the day, he'd be throwing a strop and going nuts! Looks like he's mellowed out a bit in his old age

K4t · 22-06-2009 07:29PM

fillmore jive wrote: »

Blur.... or Oasis?

The Kinks obviously.

Liam is charasmatic but also at times a prick. Noel is a legend. They're not twats.

greendom · 22-06-2009 07:39PM

fillmore jive wrote: »

Blur.... or Oasis?

That takes me back 95, 96 wasn't it? For me the answer would be Radiohead

Red Sleeping Beauty · 22-06-2009 10:10PM

fillmore jive wrote: »

Blur.... or Oasis?

MANIC STREET PREACHERS!!!

davylee · 22-06-2009 10:47PM

Alan Rouge wrote: »

MANIC STREET PREACHERS!!!

+1

lordgoat · 22-06-2009 11:20PM

On Topic please

bohemian* · 23-06-2009 10:09AM

Quint wrote: »

Liam = Twat, Noel = Sound guy

as much as LOVE oasis i really have to say they are both twats:p

Did you see Noel raving about dizzie rascal?:mad:

Elliemental · 23-06-2009 10:23AM

I still think that Oasis are a great band, a lot better than some of the newer bands even, and still an awesome live band. So personally, I don`t care if they`re twats or not. I mean, I don`t have to wake up next to them every morning.

dr oatker · 23-06-2009 04:02PM

The merits of their music is a different thread altogether so I'm not getting into that, but I will say that no musician has made me laugh out loud more often than Noel Gallagher. He has a tremoundous dry wit and he's intellegent and savvy enough to know when to lay it on and when to be serious. For someone percived as arrogant he can be very self deprecating at times.

For example back in 96 when they were touring with the Bootleg Beatles as support Noel asked one of them "So what do you do then? the BB in question replied "I stand up on stage and play Beatles songs" to which Noel replied "So do I mate"

Liam is certainly not anywhere near as articulate as Noel and has his bad days. He seems to have mellowed somewhat since settling down with the wife and kids. He could be an awful c**t though

So, in reply
Are Oasis twats? Liam used to be and Noel never was.

speedboatchase · 25-06-2009 09:50AM

Alan Rouge wrote: »

Chuck Berry ripped off his cousin Marvin!

Haha, brilliant

Oasis, are they twats or not?

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