Cork v Kerry Munster SF

SeaFields · 13-06-2009 11:46PM

netwhizkid wrote: »

I honestly think had Kerry won there would have been a riot where I was, terrible show from the Supporters and the 25 min delay for the crowd to come in from the City was an absolute joke. 30,000 attendance in Cork City? 32,000 in Killarney! I think today saw the fairweather Cork supporter out and I am not a fan of him or his foul language and driving knees and flags into my back in stand seats big enough for a 5 year old.

Yeah i can imagine it must have been a frustrating day to be a Kerry football supporter.

As for your attendance stats, vast majority on both occasions were Cork supporters. I was there for both.
Shur ye don't travel until September isn't it?

Your best bet now is to reflect on the fact that a formerly great team is coming to an end - not some pathetic attempt to take away from what happened on the pitch.

Up until now the Kerry people I've encountered were gracious losers and I know a lot of them.

There's always one I suppose.

netwhizkid · 13-06-2009 11:52PM

SeaFields wrote: »

Yeah i can imagine it must have been a frustrating day to be a Kerry football supporter.

As for your attendance stats, vast majority on both occasions were Cork supporters. I was there for both.
Shur ye don't travel until September isn't it?

Your best bet now is to reflect on the fact that a formerly great team is coming to an end - not some pathetic attempt to take away from what happened on the pitch.

Up until now the Kerry people I've encountered were gracious losers and I know a lot of them.

There's always one I suppose.

I had the misfortune to be near some nut jobs the vast majority were grand, Reflection- ??? :pac: We are already plotting the Cork banana skin in Croke Park this August or September! We lost fair and square and whether we had Paul Galvin or not was not going to change the fact that Cork outplayed Kerry all over the place yet Kerry highlighted both Kerrys resilience and Corks vulnerability. I actually thought it was a great game of football up until the Penalty which effectively ended it as a contest and both teams gave it their 100% during the 1st half of the second half, it was a really exciting then.

joey54 · 14-06-2009 12:14AM

Fair play to Cork. I though that if they were going to beat Kerry that they needed to do it in the first match. Today the Cork players stepped up, they met the challenge head on.

Although Kerry weren't playing their best football I think it would be wrong to take this victory away from the Cork lads. Sure even Kerry on a bad day are difficult to beat.

Cork have put their name down to be real contenders this year, they have definitely blown the championship right open.

SeaFields · 14-06-2009 12:18AM

Re. 'Nutjobs' I had the misfortune of the same last week and they were Cork supporters. Shur that can happen in every walk of life i suppose.

My reflection...
This Cork team has been up and coming for a few years on the back of good minor and u21 showings. Admittedly Croke park has not been our friend but that will pass (hopefully before the summer is out

). Has happened to other teams - e.g. Waterford's showing last year against cats was no where near what they were capable of. Kerry weren't on top anywhere today for any great period of time. The way the Cork forwards could slice apart the Kerry defence was spectacular. Speed and fitness plus options to the player in possession were key. And winning ball and breaking ball in midfield.

My turning point (and hears one you won't hear of said by most) was the first ball into Cooper. "The Gooch" can win a match singlehandedly. I watched his body language last week from the terrace. Lynchy had him in his pocket and after he won most of the first few balls Coopers head went down. Today - first ball that went in and Cooper didn't get a look in. Started as he left off. Its an unfortunate predisposition of the best the game has known.

Twin towers were missed? Couldn't have scored without the ball and Corks halfback and midfield showed today that had they been playing there would be no ball for them.

Galvin is a liability. Must always be in the back of the Kerry managers mind 'is this the game he will be sent off it'.

Netwhizkid, should we both be there, or thereabouts at the end of the year, may the best team win (and we will

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netwhizkid · 14-06-2009 12:26AM

SeaFields wrote: »

Netwhizkid, should we both be there, or thereabouts at the end of the year, may the best team win (and we will )

Naturally I thought myself that Cork in 2007 was a bit of a false dawn but Counihan really has his dream team now, and am I the only supporter here to wonder this but I am really sick of playing Cork every year the teams meet up to three or four times and it is beginning to go a bit stale. I wonder what minnows will have the unfortunate luck to meet Kerry in the next game and I would love to see Cork meet Tyrone and see how both teams would adapt. Pierce O'Neill is also a definite All-Star in my book after his display today.

Orizio · 14-06-2009 12:30AM

netwhizkid wrote: »

I honestly think had Kerry won there would have been a riot where I was, terrible show from the Supporters and the 25 min delay for the crowd to come in from the City was an absolute joke. 30,000 attendance in Cork City? 32,000 in Killarney! I think today saw the fairweather Cork supporter out and I am not a fan of him or his foul language and driving knees and flags into my back in stand seats big enough for a 5 year old.

:rolleyes: As opposed to the non-existent Kerry supporter, who doesn't bother to turn up for matches.

Your posts are beginning to sound like sour grapes. Their are idiots at all matces - segregation however, is never going to happen.

GymJim · 14-06-2009 12:36AM

netwhizkid wrote: »

It was an off the ball incident and I was sitting pretty close in the stand and Noel O'Leary hit Paul Galvin a thump into the face and Galvin retaliated and there was also choice words. Galvin should not have retaliated and lost the moral victory over O'Leary instantly, should such an assault have occured in the street etc. it would be an arrestable offence with court proceedings etc.

Galvin got a fair wallop from him and just saw red and hit back which is only human nature really but still not have done it.

Noel O'Leary is Cork's version of Galvin and while not having as many cards to his name he is always pushing the limits and this is ruining football. I witnessed an assault and would not like kids to see this, the behaviour of the crowd in the stand during this point leads me to believe that the GAA will have to begin segregating supporters in the near future as I believe that had Galvin not been sent off that anarchy would have broke out, friendly rivalry it was not.

I am disappointed for Paul as he was behaving well throughout the league and behaved himself good enough the last day also except he seemed to have one Cork players head half way to Australia from the tv highlights anyway!

Firstly you were clearly nowhere near this. It was right in front of me where I was sitting and Galvin struck first and then made a complete meal of O'Leary's retaliation to try get him sent off. Every single game Galvin plays on O'Leary he spends the whole game trying to wind him up and unfortunately Noel is stupid enough to fall for it each year.

As for segregating supporters...what are you talking about. As above I was right by where this happened and obviously there was noise in the crowd about what happened there was certainly no threat of violence...in fact both sets of supporters were in agreement the game was better off without the 2 of them. Kerry were not good enough on the day so just get over it and move on...stop trying to invent issues that did not exist.

I really do wonder if you were really at the match.

Orizio · 14-06-2009 12:36AM

BTW, other then NWK, I have yet to see or hear anyone say it was O'Leary whom struck the first. The opposite invariably.

SeaFields · 14-06-2009 12:37AM

netwhizkid wrote: »

Naturally I thought myself that Cork in 2007 was a bit of a false dawn but Counihan really has his dream team now, and am I the only supporter here to wonder this but I am really sick of playing Cork every year the teams meet up to three or four times and it is beginning to go a bit stale. I wonder what minnows will have the unfortunate luck to meet Kerry in the next game and I would love to see Cork meet Tyrone and see how both teams would adapt. Pierce O'Neill is also a definite All-Star in my book after his display today.

I wouldn't start dishing out all stars before the provincials are over but, yes, pierce is certainly putting himself up there as a contender based on his play to date.

As for it going stal i kind of agree. I suppose last few years Kerry and Tyrone have been put down as the best in that land with Cork marginally behind. Its always going to be the case that the three will meet in the latter stages of championship because of this. Put it down to luck or misfortune that two of these teams are in munster and you can see how draws are going to keep throwing them together for the duration of the championship - especially with backdoor.

It terrible they keep meeting but the rivalry is fcking brilliant in any case!!:cool:

Orizio · 14-06-2009 12:39AM

Wouldn't say it was going stale at all - very entertaining game today, both teams badly wanting to win.

14-06-2009 12:41AM

That is some god-awful grammar and spelling there, OP.

K-9 · 14-06-2009 12:42AM

Orizio wrote: »

Wouldn't say it was going stale at all - very entertaining game today, both teams badly wanting to win.

Have to agree, far better than the first match which was probably down to McEnaeny putting the marker down with the 2 red cards. Lot of niggly stuff in the drawn match.

GymJim · 14-06-2009 12:42AM

netwhizkid wrote: »

I honestly think had Kerry won there would have been a riot where I was, terrible show from the Supporters and the 25 min delay for the crowd to come in from the City was an absolute joke. 30,000 attendance in Cork City? 32,000 in Killarney! I think today saw the fairweather Cork supporter out and I am not a fan of him or his foul language and driving knees and flags into my back in stand seats big enough for a 5 year old.

No there would not have been a riot. Terrible show from which supporters exactly? You complain that it was too low an attendance yet it was just fair weather Cork fans bulking it up...no sense.

It clearly is just Cork fans who curse, are tall and stick flags in people's back alright...valuable insight you provide there. Never knew the plight of the well versed, angelic, midget Kerry fans til now...we'll ahve to get Geldof on the case I'd say.

You sure you were at the right match?

SeaFields · 14-06-2009 12:43AM

Orizio wrote: »

Wouldn't say it was going stale at all - very entertaining game today, both teams badly wanting to win.

Don't get me wrong, the games aren't stale, far from it, but a couple of more teams in the mix couldn't hurt.

GymJim · 14-06-2009 12:45AM

Orizio wrote: »

BTW, other then NWK, I have yet to see or hear anyone say it was O'Leary whom struck the first. The opposite invariably.

Because he wasn't there clearly. I was in the 4th row back in Section C directly opposite where it happened and saw exactly what happened.

Orizio · 14-06-2009 12:48AM

SeaFields wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, the games aren't stale, far from it, but a couple of more teams in the mix couldn't hurt.

Limerick and Tipp are slowly getting better, but Cork/Kerry have history, they will always produce the best games.

netwhizkid · 14-06-2009 12:49AM

GymJim wrote: »

I really do wonder if you were really at the match.

I was at the match, Galvin and O'Leary were jostling as they were marking each other tight but I personally did not see Galvin doing anything untowards to receive the slap he received, but that is not to say that he didn't do anything. Both their behaviours were childish and both deservedly so walked the line.

[EDIT] I was there[/EDIT]

GymJim · 14-06-2009 12:56AM

netwhizkid wrote: »

I was at the match, Galvin and O'Leary were jostling as they were marking each other tight but I personally did not see Galvin doing anything untowards to receive the slap he received, but that is not to say that he didn't do anything. Both their behaviours were childish and both deservedly so walked the line.

[EDIT] I was there[/EDIT]

Well this explains it. Block K is a long way from where this happened...I really don't see how you can say O'Leary threw the first dig from this far away (especially as he didn't).

Galvin hit O'Leary, Noel being too tough for his own good took exception and instead of doing what most players do when hit (i.e. go down in pain) hit back stupidly. Galvin insighted this to try get O'Leary sent off and it backfired. Why neither of them learn from past mistakes is beyond me.

Your tune appears to be changing each time your original story is questioned. Cork were the better team by quite a bit. Kerry did not play well and appear well past their best (this is not to say a good run in the qualifiers will not reinvigorate them and that they can't challenge for the AI however).

My point is you clearly did not see the incident so don't make out you did.

corcaigh07 · 14-06-2009 01:57AM

think ill reserve any judgement until i see it in full on rte.ie except netwhizkid, you are digging your own grave mate. From what I heard(including from Alan who was actually playing, Galvin elbowed back at Nollaig first, then noel went full blast with the fist.)

also the attendence, 30000 on a shiitty 5pm saturday throw-in was very impressive imo. there is a big difference between a 5pm saturday and a 2-4 pm throw-in on a sunday. also calling cork fair weather supporters is crazy, there was feck all kerry there today.

also in regards to the delay, people dont realise that with better and indeed more stewards, the game would have started on time, there was blockages of people around for no reason. the pairc didnt have any stewards last year for the blackrock end for the tipp hurling which ended in a few thousand behind the goals. today, no stewards outside the ground, county board not doing their job, it seems. of course the supporters are not entirely blameless but there was other factors involved.

Dapos · 14-06-2009 04:56AM

big deal, cork and kerry lose a player. galvin was a huge lose but cork lost out wit it too. Cork played a serious game of football today. i always said to my mate i fear cork the most to play against,

although write off kerry is foolish, we will most defintely be back!

yerayeah · 14-06-2009 09:06AM

Galvin was very hard done by being sent off imo. I saw the incident and Leary started and ended it. He threw a little mock elbow at Galvin, Galvin gave him one back and then O'Leary turned around and planted one on Galvin's jaw. I think Galvin's reputation got him sent off. Even though I'm a Kerry man and realise how important a player he is for us, it's very easy to see why he's such a hate-figure, for someone who gives out his fair share of digs, he goes down very easily. And whoever said Galvin was hit in the face and retaliated, wtf are you talking about, Galvin retaliated on the way down to the ground is it?!

Cork were extremely impressive and the more I think about it the more I fear ye could win an all Ireland (even thought I think Tyrone will be able to expoit the lack of pace midfield).

Kerry's management need to be ruthless and the old guard now needs to be changed much as it pains to say it. The only good Kerry player yesterday was Kennelly, while nearly all of Cork's were good except for Masters and maybe Kerrigan. I said here that Gooch was frustrating last Sunday, well yesterday he was infuriating. Never ever showed for the ball, Lynch got man of the match I think but anyone could have marked Gooch out of it yesterday.

Once again Counihan really impressed, playing Miskella on Declan was a masterstroke, he knew Declan wouldn't track back. Cork's kickouts were again very inventive. And ye're subs were to a man impressive.

2002 was the year of Gooch, 2006 the year of Donaghy, if Kerry are to have any hope this year they need someone else to step up from the bench with the hunger and desire to win an AI...

Kingdom · 14-06-2009 09:38AM

First up (and it hurts to say this) but all credit to Cork. There's a lot of hurt in that team, and over the two games they pulverised Kerry. Kerry played approx 25 mins of football over the two games, which isn't acceptable.
Two penaltys in the two games had a massive influence. Gooch missing in the first leg would have given a platform to push on from, while yesterday after 10 mins of the second half there looked to be only one winner before Donncadh O'Connor's excellent strike.

Cork are the real deal. When you have lads coming through that are only used to winning titles, it will only invigourate the existing squad members.

Kerry have looked old in the two games. Losing the two big lads was a blow undoubtedly, but players of the calibre of the Kerry team should have the footballing brain to switch when necessary. Losing Marc was a blow yesterday but it wouldn't have made a difference and arguably the difference should have been greater in the end.

I was dissapointed in Dara yesterday, and obviously Gooch, who was extremely poor again, although Lynch was due a good game on him. Diarmuid Murphy's kickouts have been poor for a while, but yesterday was a nadir unfortunately. Aidan O'Mahony, who two years ago was the finest centre back in the country, looks at odds with the game now. Tomas O'Se still excellent going forward has looked poor defensively two games running, a few Kerry backs need to reinvent themselves and learn how to do their primary role again.
A chink of light in the youngsters, and one experienced youngster. Darren O'Sullivan must start, and he didn't deserve to be dropped yesterday. DAvid Moran did well and could do with some perserverance, while Declan O'Sullivan showed why he's so important. Anytime the ball came to him it resulted in a score.

What worries me the most is that these two performances happened under Jack O'Connor's watch. My opinion of him is well known, having seen his methods close up in Cahirciveen, I wouldn't replace him with anyone. Hopefully the draw is kind, as they looked a beaten docket yesterday, and I'd gladly take a draw similar to 2006, when a washed up looking Kerry dismantled all in their path in the qualifiers and brought Sam home. Lets see what happens when/if both teams get to croker.
I'd be liking to see the following time start in the qualifiers (bearing in mind Star's out for a good while)

Murphy

Marc O'Sé
Daniel Bohan
Tom O'Sull

Tomas O'Se
Tommy Griffin
Killian Young

David Moran
Anthony Maher

Tadgh Kennelly
Declan O'Sullivan
Darren O'Sullivan

Tommy Walsh
Gooch
Donnchadh Walsh

joey54 · 14-06-2009 10:26AM

I'd be worried for Kerry if they were to get a tough draw in the qualifiers. Every team in the country, be they Wexford or Armagh, will have the belief that they can beat them. They'll be spurred on even more to put in a good performance if they get Kerry.

Cork need another good performance against Limerick, if this happens it really is game on for them.

In relation to the Galvin/O'Leary incident. I'm not Galvin's biggest fan but I wish the lad could learn to just get on with the game and just play football! I didn't see the incident so will have to wait for the Sunday before I pass judgment. The reality is it takes two to tango and I suspect the ref was right to give both of them their marching orders.

On that note, what a game Pat McEneaney had. I always thought he was a top class ref and this game just further reinforced that point. He mad some excellent decisions and was always in complete control of the game, When incidents did arise he dealt with them swiftly insuring other players didn't get dragged into it.

My man of the match award goes to him.

DDC1990 · 14-06-2009 10:53AM

Right, after a days reflection I have decided to put my opinions down.

First off Well done to Cork. They defied all the Critics, who said they couldn't finish Kerry off, and besides the slip at the start of the second half when they let Kerry back into it, they hammered us.

As for Kerry its terrible, but not unfixable. Mortal sins were committed. Reidy was struggling for the whole match and should have been subbed before the Penalty. Brosnan shouldn't be near the team... he's a joke! Why oh why would Jack bring back players's who are clearly past it (Mike Frank as well). Give the Young un's a chance. Speaking of young un's, Darragh Ó Sé had a mighty second half. And we fell apart without him. Also lets not forget, this is a class Cork side, and we were not anywhere near our fully fit team. Marc was Injured, Tommy Walsh was injured, Scanlon is injured, Darragh's not fully fit, Donnaghy is injured. They are all Key players. That combined with a poor starting team... no fault to Jack, most of Kerry would have picked the same team. Darren O'Sullivan had to start. David Moran had to start! Moran was brilliant for 15 minutes at the start of the Second half, and if he hadn't arsed around with his fancy handpasses, he would have been fine.

A word on Galvin, I said yesterday, if he had been instigator, I wouldn't wan't to see him in a Kerry Jersey ever again, that still stands. I supported his appeal's last year, against all the snarling Dub's and Corkonians... looking for blood. I knew what he did was wrong, but I could see where he was coming from, so i stood up for him. Having said that, Galvin has (along with Darragh) always been Choice target from the Cork team... especially Noel O'Leary. So I'll reserve judgement untill I hear from a friend of a friend about what actually happened. :P

To finish a word about Pat McEneaney. Top class performance for Most of the game. A few decisions I didn't agree with (being a massivly biased Kerry fan).
Anthony Lynch had Gooch in his back pocket for the whole game, but sometimes when Lynch won the ball out infront of Gooch, he went to Ground straight away Looking for the free. He always got it. There were 2 blatent dives that I spotted, but... they had no baring on the game obviously, but just another annoyence to add to a horrible day.

However, in the second half he had a top class performence.
Miskella's Dive, Grabbing Declan O'Sullivan's arm. Correct (was it too much to look for a second yellow card for simulation? :P)
Red Cards: Dead Right, no complaint from either man, and stopped any further sillyness
Penalty: Spot on. No doubt. Interestingly a yellow card for Reidy. There was no Yellow for Spillane last week which would have had him sent off. Having said that, yesterday's penalty was in a far better scoring position.

Overall: Well done Cork. Kerry have a lot of rebuilding to do, and Pat MC is clearly the best ref in the country (besides blackbelt)

Orizio · 14-06-2009 11:08AM

You missed Darren O'Sullivan's belly dive in the second half there DDC.

DDC1990 · 14-06-2009 11:11AM

Ha, Which one? There was plenty of them.

EDIT: I should actually clarify this one. Darren was our best player by far, but he does go down far too easily.

Abstar · 14-06-2009 01:01PM

Cork were immense yesterday. Serious contenders indeed for AI honours.
After the drawn game I was one of the ones with the view that Kerry could never again play so badly - I'm fairly sure now that such an opinon was a disservice to Cork - Kerry looked poor the first day because Cork didn't allow us to play. Kerry were poor yesterday because Cork blew us out of the water. Very impressed with them - if they were a little bit more clinical up front it would have been a complete annihalation. Kerry looked disjointed, jaded and nowhere near match fit. The only worry for Cork now is whether they've peaked too soon? Cork-Tyrone, Cork-Galway and dare I say it(!), Cork-Dublin would all make for fascinating encounters should they come to pass.

As for Kerry, here's hoping that they can regroup and rediscover what it is they enjoy about football. Over the past year and a half, they seem overly defensive and in dread of losing a game. IMO the pressure is weighing heavy on them and the last 2 games have seemed an onerous task for them rather than something to go out and enjoy. I guess we supporters must hold our hands up, stop expecting so much, stop over analysing in minute detail the mistakes/weaknesses of various players and just appreciate the ride as long as it lasts. Without intending to write their obituary, if this current crop of Kerry players is finished as a force, thanks for the memories guys - it's been a great decade for us and they can hold their heads high.

Flukey · 14-06-2009 02:12PM

DDC1990 wrote: »

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and Pat MC is clearly the best ref in the country (besides blackbelt)

I've seen both in action and Blackbelt has a long way to go to get near McEnaney.

DDC1990 · 14-06-2009 02:32PM

Flukey wrote: »

I've seen both in action and Blackbelt has a long way to go to get near McEnaney.

BAN

By the way flukey, I didn't appreciate your comments earlier on the match.
Nobody cares if you are glad that Kerry lost, and that you hope they get knocked out.
Just because the Dubs are immune from gloating (ban threats) when they loose doesn't mean that its ok to gloat when other teams go out.

Flukey · 14-06-2009 04:22PM

They are not out, as I clearly stated. It is nothing new for people here to say that they were happy that one team or other was beaten in a match. If it was a banning offence, we would not have many posters left.

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