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Oasis, are they twats or not?

  • 29-05-2009 11:39PM
    #1
    Affable
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    OK yeah I know they got over exposed and acted like twats, Liam especially. And I know they became boring because of overexposure.

    But take the music aside from all that and there is greatness and beauty there. I just noticed Liams got a clothing line, that's what made me think of it yeah he's a twat but can't be as dumb as he makes out, he's kinda hard to read.

    'Pretty Green' read it in NME...website is up btw if you care.


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  • #2
    mal1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭mal1


    twat:
    1. Vulgar Slang The vulva.
    2. Offensive & Vulgar Slang A woman or girl.

    Harsh!


  • #3
    loveissucide
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭loveissucide


    Staggeringly derivative it must be said.Their sound is almost a precise rip-off of Beatles,Stone Roses,Sex Pistols, and The Jam.


  • #4
    Affable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭Affable


    loveissucide wrote: »
    Staggeringly derivative it must be said.Their sound is almost a precise rip-off of Beatles,Stone Roses,Sex Pistols, and The Jam.
    That's a staggerlingly derivative opinion, sorry.
    Great artists steal and make better right. You can't just write great songs by ripping off, even if their sound is influenced by others. And out of those they only sound anything like The Jam, besides Liams voice.


  • #5
    cherryghost
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Affable wrote: »
    OK yeah I know they got over exposed and acted like twats, Liam especially. And I know they became boring because of overexposure.

    But take the music aside from all that and there is greatness and beauty there. I just noticed Liams got a clothing line, that's what made me think of it yeah he's a twat but can't be as dumb as he makes out, he's kinda hard to read.

    'Pretty Green' read it in NME...website is up btw if you care.

    Yes.


  • #6
    mega man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 370 ✭✭mega man


    oasis are legends!:)


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  • #7
    CoachBoone
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    loveissucide wrote: »
    Staggeringly derivative it must be said.Their sound is almost a precise rip-off of Beatles,Stone Roses,Sex Pistols, and The Jam.

    Beatles ripped off Chuck Berry.
    Stone Roses ALSO ripped off Beatles. Jimi Hendrix too.
    etc etc

    Its how music works unfortunately...


  • #8
    JerryHandbag
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    Twats or not their latest album is mega....sound like they've been listening to a lot of blues, on the first half anyway....right on cue "Stand By Me" shuffles in on my ipod :)


  • #9
    Notorious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭Notorious


    No Oasis aren't 'twats'. They're not boring either. And its not called ripping off or stealing, its more influenced by. If every artist was required to create their own style and sound there'd be a lot less music out there.

    Liam has a clothing line to make money, simple as. Its just like the Wu-Tang Clan did throughout their 10 year plan. If I could make money through designers slapping my name on a clothing line, I'd definitely cash in.


  • #10
    doyler442
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭doyler442


    loveissucide wrote: »
    Staggeringly derivative it must be said.Their sound is almost a precise rip-off of Beatles,Stone Roses,Sex Pistols, and The Jam.

    The typical answer from this forum - why do so many people here always give this crap? This forum is wreckless for it!!!

    It seems being influenced by another band is bad or something - Oasis have admitted many times that they use The Beatles for a lot of their music and I don't see why people moan about this when they are still writing great songs.
    Great artists steal and make better right. You can't just write great songs by ripping off, even if their sound is influenced by others.

    Very well put.

    Honestly on this forum sometimes it seems people expect bands to invent a completely new genre and even than they would find something to moan about, i.e. it doesn't sound enough like The Beatles,Stone Roses,Sex Pistols, or The Jam


  • #11
    Affable
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    doyler442 wrote: »


    Very well put.

    Honestly on this forum sometimes it seems people expect bands to invent a completely new genre and even than they would find something to moan about, i.e. it doesn't sound enough like The Beatles,Stone Roses,Sex Pistols, or The Jam

    Because they got popular and loved the beatles, everyone said they ripped them off. You don't write stuff like Live Forever, Slide Away, Cast No Shadow, Wonderwall, Morning Glory, The Masterplan etc etc etc without being a genius. I mean, The Beatles loved Elvis, The Stone loved Blues and Muddy Waters, doesn't mean they didn't do genius of their own.

    I think they are more on the level of enigmatic genius like Morrissey gets rated than they credit for, namely because they got too mainstream, and became not as good later, though even some of the later stuff is better than it seems.

    Liams voice could be a bit OTT.

    I find a lot of humanity and sincerity in their songs, sorry if that sounds earnest. :)


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  • #12
    fillmore jive
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    Blur.... or Oasis?


  • #13
    lordgoat
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    doyler442 wrote: »
    The typical answer from this forum - why do so many people here always give this crap? This forum is wreckless for it!!!

    It seems being influenced by another band is bad or something - Oasis have admitted many times that they use The Beatles for a lot of their music and I don't see why people moan about this when they are still writing great songs.



    Very well put.

    Honestly on this forum sometimes it seems people expect bands to invent a completely new genre and even than they would find something to moan about, i.e. it doesn't sound enough like The Beatles,Stone Roses,Sex Pistols, or The Jam

    On topic. Oasis for me are completely a meh band, boring melodies and simplistic lyrics. Outside of music i couldn't give a ****e aabout them. It doesn't matter.

    Off topic.
    I think some people find it impossible to believe that modern bands are actually capable of making new, great music that will stand the test of time on it's own and can't be likened to someone else. If you want an example take Sigur Ros. There are countless others.
    Personally i hate the phrase influenced by as used in this thread. I find it an easy way out. There are many great bands out there at the moment doing their own thing. And while imitation is the greatest form of flattery give me the real thing over a plastic knock off anyday.


  • #14
    lordgoat
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    fillmore jive wrote: »
    Blur.... or Oasis?

    Wha'?


  • #15
    Glassheart
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    Liam is definitely a twat.

    Noel is a genius songwriter who has surpassed many of his own heroes.I don't care what anybody says...
    The Beatle comparisons are lazy.As a band they sound more like the Stones or the Who.

    I think Noel really rediscovered his ability on the last two records.Looking forward to this solo album that he's been talking about...


  • #16
    Aridstarling
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    +1 everything Lordgoat said. Nailed it in one mate, well done.


  • #17
    Quint
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    Liam is a twat. Noel always comes across as a funny guy that you'd like to have a pint with. And a fantastic songwriter too


  • #18
    buck65
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    twats and twats all I'm gonna say


  • #19
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    manchaster twats from a [not working[working class /irish/ background who have a talent,--i can say that because i,m from manchester with a irish background and no talent


  • #20
    neilisagam
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    they are both stuck back in the 90's when the were big. 5 albums since "whats the story" and they haven't once created an album anywhere near close to "whats the story and "definitely maybe". They are complete twats that hav done fcuk all in ten years. Fair enough they influnced alot of bands around today but they had their time, now move the fcuk over


  • #21
    Aridstarling
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    Did anyone see where the guy from the Enemy slagged them off? After The Enemy were announced as support act for the next big Oasis gig in England! Funny stuff.


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  • #22
    Glassheart
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    neilisagam wrote: »
    5 albums since "whats the story" and they haven't once created an album anywhere near close to "whats the story and "definitely maybe".

    Neither has anybody else.They set an incredibly high standard for themselves and every other band of the era.
    neilisagam wrote: »
    They are complete twats that hav done fcuk all in ten years.

    Don't Believe the Truth is widely considered to be a great album.For that record alone i'm glad they didn't split after Morning Glory.
    Dig Out Your Soul is almost a great album too.Shame about 2 or 3 of the tracks near the end...
    neilisagam wrote: »
    Fair enough they influnced alot of bands around today but they had their time, now move the fcuk over

    Move over for who?!!
    The Wombats? The Kooks? The Enemy? Scouting For Girls?

    Even if that was true then it's only fair that they take Radiohead with them.:cool:


  • #23
    Affable
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    Glassheart wrote: »

    Move over for who?!!
    The Wombats? The Kooks? The Enemy? Scouting For Girls?

    Even if that was true then it's only fair that they take Radiohead with them.:cool:

    SOTSOG aint half as bad as it's made out to be, got some good tunes. Like you say they set a high early standard and were at their peak, hard to be as good as that once all the cash and accolades have come through.


  • #24
    neilisagam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 97 ✭✭neilisagam


    Glassheart wrote: »
    Neither has anybody else.They set an incredibly high standard for themselves and every other band of the era.



    Don't Believe the Truth is widely considered to be a great album.For that record alone i'm glad they didn't split after Morning Glory.
    Dig Out Your Soul is almost a great album too.Shame about 2 or 3 of the tracks near the end...



    Move over for who?!!
    The Wombats? The Kooks? The Enemy? Scouting For Girls?

    Even if that was true then it's only fair that they take Radiohead with them.:cool:
    If Don't beleave the truth is a pop album then its a great album....
    Lyla sounds like something that Busted would release.

    They set a high standerd for themselfs and havent achieved anything like it since. Their choice....give up. Fame hungry money grabbers at this stage. Everyone will look back and remember those 2 albums. As Neil Young said....better to burn out than fade away.


  • #25
    Driver 8
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    That'd be the same Neil Young who's still going strong at 60 odd?


  • #26
    neilisagam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 97 ✭✭neilisagam


    Neil Youngs still making good albums as appose to the **** oasis spew out


  • #27
    splashdown18
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    glorified pub rock i think.they say they're the next beatles and stone roses but they just havent got the creativity.and for a band to be great, all members play a central role.i dont think id even know oasis' drummer or bassist to see


  • #28
    The Pontiac
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    Comparing Neil Young to Oasis? Jesus h, that's a joke.

    I kept quiet all along, but Oasis are absolute twats. What's with the stupid walk Liam keeps putting on...and giving the two-finger salute? Does he practice being a wanker? He's certainly got it off to perfection. Boasting about their narcotic consumption, their robberies when young fellas.. who gives a fúck..moronic fools.


  • #29
    Quint
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    neilisagam wrote: »
    they are both stuck back in the 90's when the were big. 5 albums since "whats the story" and they haven't once created an album anywhere near close to "whats the story and "definitely maybe". They are complete twats that hav done fcuk all in ten years. Fair enough they influnced alot of bands around today but they had their time, now move the fcuk over

    What do you mean? They should split up even though they're still really successful because their newer stuff isn't as good as the older? Their first 2 albums are 2 of the best albums of all time, understandable that they couldn't keep up that quality


  • #30
    [Deleted User]
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    Liam - seems a bit of an idiot, undeniably a great frontman though

    Noel - liking him more as he gets older and wiser. He seems to have a healthy attitude to the fame game, and is a genuinely smart and witty guy. His recent Q interview was excellent. Seems very comfortable in his own skin, unlike Liam, who always looks like he is gearing up for a confrontation


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  • #31
    [Deleted User]
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    Still the best band in the world !! Went to see them in sunderland and they get better with age. Class performance. Liams voice seems to have improved from a few years back. Liam is what makes a great frontman, arrogant with a swagger. Cant wait for Slane.


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