Drogba a Disgrace

greendom · 07-05-2009 10:21AM

Eamon Dunphy wrote: »

Contrast the behaviour of Drogba and Ballack with that of Darren Fletcher on Tuesday night.

Fletcher just walked off with a bit of a disappointed look on his face.

Bless :rolleyes: yes United never go for ref intimidation.

Loomis · 07-05-2009 10:21AM

Eamon Dunphy wrote: »

Contrast the behaviour of Drogba and Ballack with that of Darren Fletcher on Tuesday night.

Fletcher just walked off with a bit of a disappointed look on his face.

Considering he won the ball and wasn't even a free - fantastic point tbh.

Xavi6 · 07-05-2009 10:21AM

witnessmenow wrote: »

They have every right to be aggrieved, they were hard done by, but this in no way even partly excuses what Ballack did immediately after the E'to handball and what Drogba did at full time, it was a discraceful lack of respect and sets a terrible example for anyone watching.

But no one is excusing it. However, the club had no control over Ballack at the moment, or Drogba at the end of the whistle, so to collectively call them a 'bitter, bitter club' is what I'm taking issue with.

greendom · 07-05-2009 10:23AM

Mr. Anderson wrote: »

Considering he won the ball and wasn't even a free - fantastic point tbh.

How can it not have been a penalty when he had both legs wrapped around Fabregas ?

ntlbell · 07-05-2009 10:24AM

Xavi6 wrote: »

But no one is excusing it. However, the club had no control over Ballack at the moment, or Drogba at the end of the whistle, so to collectively call them a bitter, bitter club' is what I'm taking issue with.

The players are representatives of the club.

They disgraced themselves and the club last night.

DeadSkin · 07-05-2009 10:26AM

Eamon Dunphy wrote: »

Yep, but if referees started doing that there'd be uproar, imo.

Uproar for a wee while I'm sure, but sh!t like that needs to be cleared out of football. A small price to pay imo.

Xavi6 · 07-05-2009 10:26AM

ntlbell wrote: »

The players are representatives of the club.

They disgraced themselves and the club last night.

So are Chelsea a bitter, bitter club? Because that's all I was addressing.

destroyer · 07-05-2009 10:26AM

[quote=green with envy;60139538]How can it not have been a penalty when he had both legs wrapped around Fabregas ?[/quote]

Utd are the best, get over it, stick to topic.

jenno86 · 07-05-2009 10:30AM

I can see where he was coming from, its not right but I can see. Champions League Semi Final, one minute from the final and up steps the Andres Iniesta. Season over. After such an amount of bad decisions the ref shouldn't officiate another European game again, IMO.

These nights should be remembered for the football that was played, the magnificent goals that were scored but in a couple of years time all we will remember is Ballack and Drogba goin 'schizo' at the ref and the decisions that he made.

At the end of the day Chelsea have only themselves to blame for not being in the final. They were playing against 10 men for most of the second half and should have made that count for more. Drogba probably remembering the 2 clear cut chances he missed in both legs and deciding he will vent his anger upon a match official to make him feel better. Its more his fault than the refs.

What I think should happen:
Drogba: Banned from the group stages next year
Ballack: 3 match ban
Bosingwa: 3 match ban

This behaviour is unacceptable from professionals and will probably be replicated in underage soccer matches. Great role models, UEFA need to show this behaviour is unacceptable and will not be tolerated.

destroyer · 07-05-2009 10:31AM

Xavi6 wrote: »

So are Chelsea a bitter, bitter club? Because that's all I was addressing.

Maybe not a bitter bitter club, but there is a certain attitude that I believe was fostered under previous managment as I said before, and will need a player clearout to change. (And a new captain, Terry is part of the problem)

greendom · 07-05-2009 10:32AM

destroyer wrote: »

Utd are the best, get over it, stick to topic.

Right - I stand corrected :rolleyes::D

ntlbell · 07-05-2009 10:34AM

greendom wrote: »

How can it not have been a penalty when he had both legs wrapped around Fabregas ?

because he got the ball before he got fabregas?

07-05-2009 10:35AM

There are some ridiculous comments in this thread, not every footballer is a spoilt brat..
And people going on about Drogba diving they should also mention Ronaldo and even Gerrard and Rooney are known to dive.

Otherwise I agree, there's no excuse for the behaviour of Drogba shouting into the camera and Ballack nearly raping the referee.

But this has no reflection on the club, how can the club have stopped those individuals acting out like that?

ntlbell · 07-05-2009 10:35AM

Xavi6 wrote: »

So are Chelsea a bitter, bitter club? Because that's all I was addressing.

the players sent out to represent them are or showed that.

so yes.

Chardee MacDennis · 07-05-2009 10:36AM

this thread reeks of double standards...

greendom · 07-05-2009 10:37AM

ntlbell wrote: »

because he got the ball before he got fabregas?

He may have well regained control of the ball if his movement hadn't been impeded. He was fouled - its a pen - end of

jenno86 · 07-05-2009 10:37AM

Eamon Dunphy wrote: »

Contrast the behaviour of Drogba and Ballack with that of Darren Fletcher on Tuesday night.

Fletcher just walked off with a bit of a disappointed look on his face.

Slightly different circumstances. United got decision after decision given to them in the match until the sending off and Chelsea got turned down 4 penalty claims.

_blank_ · 07-05-2009 10:38AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ballack nearly raping the referee.

He didn't even have an erection.

ntlbell · 07-05-2009 10:38AM

greendom wrote: »

He may have well regained control of the ball if his movement hadn't been impeded. He was fouled - its a pen - end of

fouls are not given on what might or might not happen

it was eithier a foul or it wasn't

if he got the ball first what would of happened afterwards is irrelvant.

did he get the ball first?

if your answer is yes then in your own eyes it wasn't a peno

if he didn't then it was it's that simple

_blank_ · 07-05-2009 10:38AM

greendom wrote: »

He may have well regained control of the ball if his movement hadn't been impeded. He was fouled - its a pen - end of

He wasn't "in control" of the ball in the first place, he didn't touch the ball before the tackle

ntlbell · 07-05-2009 10:39AM

jenno86 wrote: »

Slightly different circumstances. United got decision after decision given to them in the match until the sending off and Chelsea got turned down 4 penalty claims.

smashing a ball into someone's arm is not a peno claim.

so there was two of those.

there was the tug on the shirt

that's ONE claim not friggin 4

Dancor · 07-05-2009 10:39AM

From another forum. What an idiot.

Loomis · 07-05-2009 10:40AM

greendom wrote: »

How can it not have been a penalty when he had both legs wrapped around Fabregas ?

Because he won the ball. His legs weren't wrapped around Fabregas either.

greendom wrote: »

He may have well regained control of the ball if his movement hadn't been impeded. He was fouled - its a pen - end of

If a player slide-tackles another and wins the ball it's likely the guy in possession will end up on the ground. The player could regain possession if the ball isn't knocked too far away and he's still on his feet.
It's a clean tackle, the ball in won and it is not a foul. The player ending up on his arse does not make it a free kick.

jimbling · 07-05-2009 10:41AM

It was a fcking disgrace..... the refereeing that is. I would have punched him for sure.... but then again, I'm not an celebrity soccer player. :pac:

People comparing rugby to soccer is a bit silly. It's a totally different game.

I agree that they hold much more respect for the ref and that it is inherent throughout the game from youth to professional. But there are reasons for that.

Soccer is much harder to ref than rugby. Obviously there are loads of intricate rules in rugby that make it "technically" tougher, but you don't get anywhere near as many decisions that can go either way, or decisions that can have a massive impact on the outcome of the game. One wrong decision can mean millions and millions in loss of revenue for the suffering team.
This is just not applicable to rugby due to the higher scores the games. It is much more likely for the better team to win, no matter what a ref does.
In soccer the best team can lose purely due to one bad referee decision. That is mind boggling and very very frustrating if you're a player.

The point is, it's the games fault, not the players, that this sort of action is rampant. Obv players should have restraint... but these are overpaid spoilt young men. What do you expect?
With regards diving, some players/manager don't see anything wrong with it. I hate to see it, but I cant disagree. They're using the games inability to ref it against the opposite team. I want to see it gone, but it's the job of the game/rules, not the players. We can't expect everyone who plays it to be honest and upstanding.... that's ridiculous.

The Refs job is too hard, he needs help. Post match citing should be brought in for excessive fouling/diving etc. Fines/bans etc. I would also like to see in action TV refereeing for the major decisions.

blah blah blah.... i could go on.... but ye all know the arguments already :rolleyes:

Boggles · 07-05-2009 10:42AM

Auvers wrote: »

I am a Real Madrid fan and I jumped for joy when Iniesta scored,

Your not a Real Real Madrid fan.

greendom · 07-05-2009 10:42AM

Seriously :eek:

Loomis · 07-05-2009 10:42AM

dancor wrote: »

From another forum. What an idiot.

Draupnir · 07-05-2009 10:43AM

jimbling wrote: »

Soccer is much harder to ref than rugby. Obviously there are loads of intricate rules in rugby that make it "technically" tougher, but you don't get anywhere near as many decisions that can go either way, or decisions that can have a massive impact on the outcome of the game. One wrong decision can mean millions and millions in loss of revenue for the suffering team.
This is just not applicable to rugby due to the higher scores the games. It is much more likely for the better team to win, no matter what a ref does.
In soccer the best team can lose purely due to one bad referee decision. That is mind boggling and very very frustrating if you're a player.

I don't even watch Rugby much, but even I know that this is complete horsesh1t.

destroyer · 07-05-2009 10:43AM

jenno86 wrote: »

Slightly different circumstances. United got decision after decision given to them in the match until the sending off and Chelsea got turned down 4 penalty claims.

Chelsea have at least 4 penalty claims every match. They had one genuine claim last night ,bad decision, Barca sending off, another bad decision. These things happen.

abelard · 07-05-2009 10:43AM

BastardPrince wrote: »

this thread reeks of double standards...

Who cares? It's about Drogba.

I'm a Chelsea fan, and I still think he's a disgrace. Last night, last year's final, countless other times. He can't control his temper, and at the end of the day it's true that he is pretty much a cheat.

It really, really hurts when people on here bad mouth Chelsea, as a "disgrace", as "bitter", as "sore losers", as "cheats", as "classless", but these are all things that can, to some extent or another, be said about Drogba.

As hard as it is to say, for a man of such talent, he drags down the reputation of the club so much. It seems nearly every time he's on the pitch, he gives people more ammunition to belittle the club.

It's often been said on here that no player is bigger than the club, but Drogba's actions consistently hog discussion about Chelsea, and never paint the club in a positive light.

So say what you want about Drogba, he probably deserves it. But seperate him from the club, there are som many people there who don't deserve to be painted with the same brush.

Drogba a Disgrace

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