Menial Job or Dole

Volvoboy · 22-04-2009 02:31AM #1

Noticed alot of Irish people selling papers at the roadside and handing out the freebies in the mornings now.

I think it's a good thing to work and not claim off the dole, whats going to look better on a CV having a job through the bad times or being on the dole.

But thier is the few who think ''Ah sure i'd be better off on the dole'', this attitude really annoys me.

I know thier is the few who want to work but cant, if i was in this situation i'd have no problem selling papers by the roadside.

newballsplease · 22-04-2009 02:52AM

im happy enough on the dole for the time been, where as i think id be miserable selling papers on the side of the road.

theres already a few threads about the dole etc. dont think we need another.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 22-04-2009 02:52AM

FFS. Not this again, this is done every couple of weeks, with the same sh!te over and over again...

Was offered a job a few months ago, didn't take it, again last week, didn't go ahead, supposedly working this week, but nothing...

On social but cannot get a job. The jobs I do get are not actual jobs. I don't mind any work once it is guaranteed money, none of this "earn €600 a week this is commission based, you may not make any money, terms and conditions apply" kinda crap.

Local chipper wants a deliver driver, not a problem, I could do that. Have a car, have insurance, have a licence. Problem is, every time they organise me to work there seems to be a problem. Ringing on a saturday evening at 6 saying "all our drivers are out drinking, wanna work" doesn't cut it. I wouldn't lose my social welfare for that crap. They have 2 nights a week for me, that's fine. It doesn't matter what the job is.

Also, remember that a lot of them jobs are got by affiliation.

Smyth · 22-04-2009 03:00AM

There's always business out there. Always has, always will be. Difference now is that you have to work extremely ****ing hard to get it. Develop skills, educate yourself (even after the leaving cert, yes - yummy books). So for people with the right amount of drive and brainpower these 2 'options' shouldn't even be considered.

I'm tired of hearing everyone moan about this climate. They see it as some sort of brick wall they just can't be arsed climbing. Brick by brick. Day by day.
Division of class at it's best.

Selling papers? Very short term solution, yes...as is the dole. This retarded idea that you have to 'stay off the dole' is ridiculous. It's there for a reason. You bloody well pay for it. You may as well use it!

Blitzkrieger · 22-04-2009 07:20AM

Menial job ftw.

Meaning an actual job that happens to be menial. Wouldn't consider getting lung cancer selling papers at the side of the road a job.

Hagar · 22-04-2009 08:17AM

I have noticed that a lot of people doing so called "menial" jobs work very hard. By that I don't mean labour, I mean do their level best to do the job properly. Perhaps they appreciate the value of their job in a way that many people in "good" jobs don't. Just an observation.

Hail 2 Da Chimp · 22-04-2009 08:28AM

Hagar wrote: »

I have noticed that a lot of people doing so called "menial" jobs work very hard.

I would have thought the opposite, what would you consider a menial job?

Any time someone has handed me a Metro / Herald AM they don't seem to be getting any great satisfaction from their job...

Hagar · 22-04-2009 08:32AM

Life has thought me not to consider any job menial, all jobs are good jobs.

Fajitas! · 22-04-2009 08:39AM

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

Any time someone has handed me a Metro / Herald AM they don't seem to be getting any great satisfaction from their job...

The Metro/Herald folk do seem very chirpy and happy for that hour of the morning though. More power to'em!

destroyer · 22-04-2009 08:39AM

It doesnt matter what the job is, if you do it well, the satisfaction and
boost to esteem is worth 2 dole payments.

Hail 2 Da Chimp · 22-04-2009 09:09AM

Hagar wrote: »

Life has thought me not to consider any job menial, all jobs are good jobs.

Well I wouldn't go as far as to say all jobs are good jobs. Mary Harneys gynecologist for example...

Fajitas! wrote: »

The Metro/Herald folk do seem very chirpy and happy for that hour of the morning though. More power to'em!

Fair enough, chirpy-er than I would be.

My own opinion - I wouldn't bother my arse with a 'menial' / sh!t job if I was getting the same pay on the dole.
I could use a break from work and there's a lot I could accomplish on the dole. Last time I was on the dole I painted my sisters entire house, or spend some more time training, drinking during the day.

the_syco · 22-04-2009 09:14AM

I'd put peeling carrrots all day as a menial job. I did it for £2 an hour once upon a time.

I find it's the people as opposed to the job that can make or break the soul. Great team, sh|t job, it's all good. Good job, sh|t team, you'll end up hating the job. Also, what you expect from the job, as well.

I'd say the free paper job ain't bad: you give papers to people who wwant them, you don't worry about selling them, running out of money, queues, etc. I'd rather do that than peel carrots.

Gone Drinking · 22-04-2009 09:16AM

Holy siht, a dole thread!

AnonoBoy · 22-04-2009 09:24AM

I heard the government are bringing in a new back to employment scheme where they take people off the dole and pay them to post threads about how amazing it is to see Irish people doing jobs that a few years ago only them foreign types would be doing.

Good scheme.

Biffo The Bare · 22-04-2009 10:35AM

Hagar wrote: »

Life has thought me not to consider any job menial, all jobs are good jobs.

Obviously you haven't stacked shelves in Tesco. Or made thumbtacks for 20 years.

dyl10 · 22-04-2009 10:39AM

It's really a matter of whether your long term unemployed or on temporary lay off

Latchy · 22-04-2009 10:41AM

Originally Posted by Hagar
Life has thought me not to consider any job menial, all jobs are good jobs.

I agree . It's not the menial job that bothers some people ,it's the thought of doing some a hard days work and grafting ,something that previous generations were not scared of doing .

Hagar · 22-04-2009 10:43AM

Biffo The Bare wrote: »

Obviously you haven't stacked shelves in Tesco. Or made thumbtacks for 20 years.

Or stacked thumbtacks on shelves in Tesco for 20 years. How well you must know me.

Rabies · 22-04-2009 10:43AM

When hiring I'd look more favourable on a person that worked during the tough times and got through it instead of someone that went on the dole because its easier and won't lower themselves to do 'menial' jobs.

Its a job. You get paid. You earn it. Do it.

When things turn around or something better comes along, then take it.

Mr.Lizard · 22-04-2009 10:55AM

Depends. Menial or not I wouldn't feel like doing jobs where I have to wear a uniform. That's why I turned down the offer to play for Manchester United.

jonsnow · 22-04-2009 11:01AM

Its very easy for people in decent jobs to lambast the recently unemployed and say that theirs plenty of crap jobs around and that they shouldnt turn their noses up at them.They say that they wouldnt have a problem doing it etc..well more power to you.
I have two 2:1 degrees , a masters and professional exams.I have just been made redundant in the last few weeks.I haven,t claimed the dole yet but will pretty soon(jobseekers).I,m not going to stand around all day handing out papers to earn an equivalent amount to what I am entitled.Instead I am going to use my time to seek a job which I have spent a lot of time training and studying for.If I cannot find one in say 6 months then I will emigrate and find one abroad.You can work cleaning toilets till the depression clears in about ten years if you want and then you can upgrade to "something better" but theirs no way in hell I,m going to.
I have over the years worked in many jobs including cleaning toilets in student apartments(disgusting) and handing out free magazines but at the stage I am at in my life now I,m not going to.end of.

ahara · 22-04-2009 11:04AM

Rabies wrote: »

When hiring I'd look more favourable on a person that worked during the tough times and got through it instead of someone that went on the dole because its easier and won't lower themselves to do 'menial' jobs.

Its a job. You get paid. You earn it. Do it.

When things turn around or something better comes along, then take it.

Thats grand so, I'm gonna head out now and start cleaning toilets with my tongue on the off chance that I might be able to impress the likes of you at some undetermined date in the future.

And as for this little Fuhrer directive 'Its a job. You get paid. You earn it. Do it.' Who the hell do you think you are to give out orders?

swingking · 22-04-2009 11:21AM

If Irish people want to turn down the menial jobs, then that's fine. But, what I hate to hear is people going on about foreign people taking Irish jobs. They ARE prepared to work hard hours for terrible pay and they put some Irish people to shame.

If we want to improve our reputation, we need to show that we are hard workers. Right now, sitting around claiming dole because a job is not good enough for them is not looked upon favourably by employers.

Rabies · 22-04-2009 11:32AM

ahara wrote: »

Thats grand so, I'm gonna head out now and start cleaning toilets with my tongue on the off chance that I might be able to impress the likes of you at some undetermined date in the future.

Who says that people have to clean them with their tongue

Most people use a toilet brush and some sort of cleaning chemical.

But those people are working and earning money. Sure, they mightn't like their job. But they do it. Its better than sitting on your ass complaining about the recession and claiming the dole and sending your country in to further debt.

ahara wrote: »

And as for this little Fuhrer directive 'Its a job. You get paid. You earn it. Do it.' Who the hell do you think you are to give out orders?

Eh... I'm your Führer!

Wurly · 22-04-2009 11:39AM

It's a hard one because thankfully i'm not in that situation.

As I have no mortgage and only my rent etc to pay for, the dole might be tempting. I have been working since I was 14 and have never been on it before. So wouldn't feel bad about going on it for a short time.

However, I would imagine it would be very boring having all that extra time on your hands. A week or two is grand but any longer and i'd crack up tbh. I'm a person who likes to be busy.

I think i'd go for the menial job. At least you're out and about and meeting people.

ahara · 22-04-2009 11:40AM

Like my man Jonsnow above I have two degrees, both of which I worked full time while studying for. Since I was a teenager I've always had a job and have always had my own money. While working in these jobs I've paid taxes. This money went into the states social insurance fund. I signed on for the first time ever three weeks ago. Unlike a lot of people posting here I don't think I'm too good for the dole. If your lucky enough to still have your job then woop-dee-doo, I'm absolutley thrilled for you. But canyou please stop being so bloody self righteous about it.

ahara · 22-04-2009 11:43AM

Rabies wrote: »

Its a job. You get paid. You earn it. Do it.

You don't think this line reads a little bit like a command?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 22-04-2009 11:50AM

Rabies wrote: »

When hiring I'd look more favourable on a person that worked during the tough times and got through it instead of someone that went on the dole because its easier and won't lower themselves to do 'menial' jobs.

Its a job. You get paid. You earn it. Do it.

When things turn around or something better comes along, then take it.

So... where are all these magic menial jobs you speak of?

Hagar · 22-04-2009 11:54AM

ahara wrote: »

Like my man Jonsnow above I have two degrees, both of which I worked full time while studying for.

Fair play to you both, you had the opportuinity, the drive and the brains to get two fine sets of qualifications under your belts. I'm not the least bit surprised you don't want to do work that you consider to be below you. Neverthess there are people out there who would gladly do any one of dozens of jobs that are beneath you. There is no need to be disdainful of them or their jobs.

Nobody asked you to clean toilets with you tongue although I'm damn sure you will lick a lot of arse to climb the corporate ladder when you finally make it onto the bottom rung. It'll taste much the same.

ynotdu · 22-04-2009 11:56AM

the_syco wrote: »

I'd put peeling carrrots all day as a menial job. I did it for £2 an hour once upon a time.

I find it's the people as opposed to the job that can make or break the soul. Great team, sh|t job, it's all good. Good job, sh|t team, you'll end up hating the job. Also, what you expect from the job, as well.

I'd say the free paper job ain't bad: you give papers to people who wwant them, you don't worry about selling them, running out of money, queues, etc. I'd rather do that than peel carrots.

the people ya work with are most important,totally agree it is them who can keep your spirits up in hard times or as you say be soul destroying(especiouly the ones who grass fellow workers up because they are manipulated by being the term supervisor@ about an extra 30 cents per hour:rolleyes:

sometimes what are called menial jobs actually keep people fit and ready for a better job if for no other reason than they give ya something to get out of bed for,fill up time and stop ya becoming depressed and introverted.

javaboy · 22-04-2009 12:00PM

ahara wrote: »

You don't think this line reads a little bit like a command?

Indeed it is. And disobeying a mod command is against the charter and a bannable offence. So get licking toilets pronto!

Menial Job or Dole

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