Ferguson vs Benitez thread

thegen · 19-04-2009 08:29PM

Denis Irwin wrote: »

Again United's 2nd team more than held there own against Everton's first team so how is that being disrespectful.

you really dont think that fielding a second string team did not show disrespect to Everton. It was not only disrespectful to Everton but also the the greatest club competition in the world. Oh I forgot utd dont care about the FA cup.

If you dont no problem its your call

Denis Irwin · 19-04-2009 08:30PM

DaPoolRulz wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy-ZoxX9oYc

WTF has that video got to do with who's cracking up

. Benitez would have done the exact same thing if it had happend to Liverpool

bUILDERtHEbOB · 19-04-2009 08:31PM

Dunno if this has been posted yet, got it from another site.

[edit]Do not repost that song please[/edit]

Denis Irwin · 19-04-2009 08:31PM

thegen wrote: »

you really dont think that fielding a second string team did not show disrespect to Everton. It was not only disrespectful to Everton but also the the greatest club competition in the world. Oh I forgot utd dont care about the FA cup.

If you dont no problem its your call

Eh again United had the majority of possesion for the match and had the most shots on target so again how were they disrespectful to Everton.

19-04-2009 08:31PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Fergie needs no help from Rafa to have his integrity discredited.

He said he finds Alexs accent hard to understand sometimes in passing, whats wrong with that....he says the exact same time about Carragher who he says he can never understand!

Some of Rafas facts were a little "off" alright, but the foundation is viewed as correct by virtually everyone except Utd fans....and thats that he gets away with so much cause of how much of an institution he is in the league.

there is only one man who has been childish throughout this, and thats Ferguson. First off, as has been proven, Rafas outburst came after Fergie couldn't stop commenting on Liverpool, saying they'd crack, or laughing about them spending 20m on Keane etc etc. yet it was about the on pitch matters, unlike Fergies responses which thus far have been nothing but name calling.

then he gets his mate in on the act too, and we're meant to not find it hilarious? come on now.

he mentioned Liverpool in 1 line in the club programme and next thing we are being fed bull about how he uses 'zonal marking' to intimidate officials and how he moans about fixtures, when Benitez himself is on record at complaining about fixtures and criticising refs

Dave! · 19-04-2009 08:32PM

thegen wrote: »

you really dont think that fielding a second string team did not show disrespect to Everton. It was not only disrespectful to Everton but also the the greatest club competition in the world. Oh I forgot utd dont care about the FA cup.

If you dont no problem its your call

So you don't believe teams should prioritize competitions? Same players play week in week out for FA cup, Carling Cup, CL, League....?

You think all competitions are equally valued?

Karmafaerie · 19-04-2009 08:33PM

Dave! wrote: »

Didn't notice your post buddy

How does it shoot down the argument exactly? Why don't you address the points? United's team held their own against Everton for the whole match, and had more shots on goal and more possession. So evidentally they were good enough. A coin toss decided the match.

Yeah?

And when Liverpool dominated Stoke.
70% possesion, hit the woodwork 3 times etc, but drew (not lost) UTD fans said it was proof Rafa had cracked.

Now can you see where I'm coming from?

It doesn't matter if ye were the slightly better team.

Ye lost.

When we drew after dominating Stoke, ye said it was us cracking.

Now you see?

19-04-2009 08:34PM

Dave! wrote: »

So you don't believe teams should prioritize competitions? Same players play week in week out for FA cup, Carling Cup, CL, League....?

You think all competitions are equally valued?

The irony :rolleyes:

Mr Alan · 19-04-2009 08:34PM

Liam O wrote: »

he mentioned Liverpool in 1 line in the club programme and next thing we are being fed bull about how he uses 'zonal marking' to intimidate officials and how he moans about fixtures, when Benitez himself is on record at complaining about fixtures and criticising refs

i think it was more how in Alexs interviews, he is more often than not let say things about officials that no one else is.

and it wasn't 1 line in a program, it was continually up to that point in the season :rolleyes:

i agree the moaning about fixture changes was hypocritical from Rafa, and said so at the time.

Headshot · 19-04-2009 08:34PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Headshot, do you remember the gifs of Rafa in a straight jacket etc? or his head photoshopped onto keegans body?

where were you with you morals then?

it appears you only care when its SAF who is getting stick.

there stick and calling into question a mans mental health

maybe i shouldve said somthing about those gifs tbh
I think i put up the keegans body one but how can you say that has anything to do with mental health

Karmafaerie · 19-04-2009 08:38PM

Headshot wrote: »

there stick and calling into question a mans mental health

maybe i shouldve said somthing about those gifs tbh
I think i put up the keegans body one but how can you say that has anything to do with mental health

What about a manager saying that another manager is dishonoring the history of another club?

While being completely wrong I may add.

Daemos · 19-04-2009 08:38PM

Denis Irwin wrote: »

WTF has that video got to do with who's cracking up . Benitez would have done the exact same thing if it had happend to Liverpool

C'mon, can't you take a joke?

thegen · 19-04-2009 08:38PM

Denis Irwin wrote: »

Eh again United had the majority of possesion for the match and had the most shots on target so again how were they disrespectful to Everton.

Is not about the performance. I already congratulated the utd youngsters on their performance.

This is about putting out your second string in a cup semi final. Can you not see it? Its ok to do it in the carling cup as many teams have done, but the fa cup is a different matter, or maybe you think not.

Dave! · 19-04-2009 08:40PM

Karmafaerie wrote: »

And when Liverpool dominated Stoke.
70% possesion, hit the woodwork 3 times etc, but drew (not lost) UTD fans said it was proof Rafa had cracked.

Now can you see where I'm coming from?

It doesn't matter if ye were the slightly better team.

Ye lost.

When we drew after dominating Stoke, ye said it was us cracking.

Now you see?

What's that got to do with Ferguson's team selection?

The argument is that United disrespected Everton by fielding a second string team, presumably the suggestion is that we should have fielded our best team out of respect to Everton and to the FA cup.

My point is that since we're still in other competitions that are more highly valued, we have to prioritize. So Fergie put out a team that he felt was good enough to win.

The team had all the possession and all the shots and played just as good as Everton. So it was a good enough team.

The result is irrelevant to the argument -- the team was good enough to outplay Everton (albeit marginally) for the match, and a penalty shootout decided it.

The team that plays better does not always win -- as you just demonstrated with your stats on the Pool-Stoke match.

Liam O wrote: »

The irony :rolleyes:

?

19-04-2009 08:41PM

Headshot wrote: »

there stick and calling into question a mans mental health

maybe i shouldve said somthing about those gifs tbh
I think i put up the keegans body one but how can you say that has anything to do with mental health

when you say people are questioning fergies mental health, are you talking about the "cracking up" jibes?

Mr Alan · 19-04-2009 08:41PM

Headshot wrote: »

there stick and calling into question a mans mental health

maybe i shouldve said somthing about those gifs tbh
I think i put up the keegans body one but how can you say that has anything to do with mental health

because Keegan is emotionally fragile?! as we all know.

so pics of Rafa in a straight jacket & saying he has cracked up, t shirts saying the same, and thousands chanting it is just "stick"

but saying Fergie is losing it, is unforgiveable abuse and in bad taste as its to do with mental health?

i really did expect better from you man.

Highsider · 19-04-2009 08:41PM

Headshot wrote: »

yes ill agree with that

but what I dont like is liverpool fans question someones mentality

its very low blow

Oh please. I'm a Liverpool fan and if i'm not mistaken Rafa got more than his fair share from Utd fans when he did his interview with remarks about ferguson. What goes around and all that. So i guess you did'nt see the hundreds of Utd fans at OT wearing the "Rafa's cracking up" T-shirts a few weeks ago then.

Denis Irwin · 19-04-2009 08:42PM

thegen wrote: »

Is not about the performance. I already congratulated the utd youngsters on their performance.

This is about putting out your second string in a cup semi final. Can you not see it? Its ok to do it in the carling cup as many teams have done, but the fa cup is a different matter, or maybe you think not.

So if Liverpool had of being playing yesterday and then still had their League match against Arsenal on the Tuesday then your saying Rafa wouldn't have made a number of changes to the starting XI to save a number of players for the League game which would be the more crucial of the two. Of course he wouldn't :rolleyes:

thegen · 19-04-2009 08:43PM

Dave! wrote: »

So you don't believe teams should prioritize competitions? Same players play week in week out for FA cup, Carling Cup, CL, League....?

You think all competitions are equally valued?

No teams have to prioritize but the carling over the fa cup? Utd have fielded stronger teams in the carling.

Headshot · 19-04-2009 08:43PM

Karmafaerie wrote: »

What about a manager saying that another manager is dishonoring the history of another club?

While being completely wrong I may add.

what can i say to that

fergie was wrong to say that and rafa is wrong to say other stuff
its mind games,plain and simple

we'll only know the results of who wins by the end of the season

liverpool fans should be proud fergie is playing mind games with Rafa ,just shows that liverpool have come far

Karmafaerie · 19-04-2009 08:46PM

Dave! wrote: »

What's that got to do with Ferguson's team selection?

The argument is that United disrespected Everton by fielding a second string team, presumably the suggestion is that we should have fielded our best team out of respect to Everton and to the FA cup.

My point is that since we're still in other competitions that are more highly valued, we have to prioritize. So Fergie put out a team that he felt was good enough to win.

The team had all the possession and all the shots and played just as good as Everton. So it was a good enough team.

The result is irrelevant to the argument -- the team was good enough to outplay Everton (albeit marginally) for the match, and a penalty shootout decided it.

The team that plays better does not always win -- as you just demonstrated with your stats on the Pool-Stoke match.

?

What's ironic of that ws that Fergie came out 2 days ago and said that it was disrespectful for Rafa to not respect Everon, that they were a serious threat, and a really good team.

He then plays two first teamers against them (3 if you count Tevez).

If he was going to rest players against them, then two days before the game he shouldn't be bringing up percieved insults from 3 years ago should he?

No.

thegen · 19-04-2009 08:47PM

Denis Irwin wrote: »

So if Liverpool had of being playing yesterday and then still had their League match against Arsenal on the Tuesday then your saying Rafa wouldn't have made a number of changes to the starting XI to save a number of players for the League game which would be the more crucial of the two. Of course he wouldn't :rolleyes:

Why do utd supporters keep harping back to Liverpool. I have stated before i'm not a liverpool fan. But to answer your q, yes he would have rotated, but not field 9 changes and put out the kids,

He had the choice to start, scholes, nani, giggs (although he did play midweek), neville.

19-04-2009 08:47PM

Dave! wrote: »

?

that Liverpool fans complain about prioritisation when Rafa's been fielding weakened teams in the league in favour of the CL since he arrived there

Dave! · 19-04-2009 08:47PM

Karmafaerie wrote: »

What's ironic of that ws that Fergie came out 2 days ago and said that it was disrespectful for Rafa to not respect Everon, that they were a serious threat, and a really good team.

He then plays two first teamers against them (3 if you count Tevez).

If he was going to rest players against them, then two days before the game he shouldn't be bringing up percieved insults from 3 years ago should he?

No.

yeh yeh yeh

He fielded a good enough team to beat Everton, therefore it wasn't disrespectful. The fact that they didn't do the job is unfortunate but irrelevant

I'll leave it at that

Karmafaerie · 19-04-2009 08:47PM

Denis Irwin wrote: »

So if Liverpool had of being playing yesterday and then still had their League match against Arsenal on the Tuesday then your saying Rafa wouldn't have made a number of changes to the starting XI to save a number of players for the League game which would be the more crucial of the two. Of course he wouldn't :rolleyes:

He wouldn't have come out two days earlier complaining about another manager disrespecting Everton though, which is what makes it iromic.

See?!

Headshot · 19-04-2009 08:48PM

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Still running with that yeah?

About 3 of the regular posters in the Liverpool thread, who're actual Liverpool supporters wanted Rafa out.

Noodler is the only one I can think of.

And I'm fairly sure that every single Liverpool supporter in this thread is a very vocal supporter of Rafa.

But you keep running with it.

The more you concentrate on it, the less attention you have to give to Fergie messing up.

just saw this post
fairly sure ya:rolleyes:

you see i can also use that same excuse to change the topic

The more you concentrate on it, the less attention you have to give to rafa messing up

Jazzy · 19-04-2009 08:49PM

wat i find amazing is how much ppl actually think all the guff between fergie and rafa actually matters.

i mean really. stop and think about it. just because newspapers and eamon dunphy say something it doesnt make it important or relevant. its how the media works, they are interested in money.. not news.

getting offended because someone is insulting fergies mental health because they lost and happend to say stuff about rafa before the game. do you really think that alex ferguson, arguably the best manager to have ever existed, has been affected mentally by something rafa benitez said to a bunch of reporters and then went out with his multi-million dollar team and bottled it because of mental duress.. because of a press conference.

really. just sit and have a think. then ppl will quickly realise that they are argueing about nothing at all. opinions, news, information, apparent facts (fhacts...) - its all bullsh1t.

wat u are all really saying is-
"i support man utd and hate liverpool and look at their latest evil"

and

"i support liverpool and hate man utd and look at their latest evil"

it really is that simple

19-04-2009 08:49PM

Liam O wrote: »

that Liverpool fans complain about prioritisation when Rafa's been fielding weakened teams in the league in favour of the CL since he arrived there

not this season

Karmafaerie · 19-04-2009 08:50PM

Dave! wrote: »

yeh yeh yeh

He fielded a good enough team to beat Everton, the fact that they didn't do the job is unfortunate but irrelevant

I'll leave it at that

No he didn't field a good enough tem to beat Everton.
Those two teams have played each other once.

Everton won.

So Fergie didn't field a good enough team to beat Everton.

Simple.

Karmafaerie · 19-04-2009 08:50PM

Headshot wrote: »

just saw this post
fairly sure ya:rolleyes:

you see i can also use that same excuse to change the topic

The more you concentrate on it, the less attention you have to give to rafa messing up

I see one manager messing up this weekend, and his name's not Rafael.

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