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Are you concerned with the UK government's plan to build a new generation of nuclear

  • 16-04-2009 09:49AM
    #1
    Milkey Bar Kid
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    I got this from the paper today and wondered what all your thoughts are.


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  • #2
    Insect Overlord
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    Nuclear what? :confused:


  • #3
    Milkey Bar Kid
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    Nuclear power plants all over the UK


  • #4
    m@cc@
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    Nu-cleear. It's pronounced nu-cleear.


  • #5
    Noopti
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    An File wrote: »
    Nuclear what? :confused:

    Nuclear-asil - it is clearasil, only much much more powerful.


  • #6
    Milkey Bar Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 160 ✭✭Milkey Bar Kid


    It gives you a Glowing complexion


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  • #7
    JIZZLORD
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    nuclear power is generally safe. nothing to fear


  • #8
    [Deleted User]
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    I think it's a good move.. cleanest form of power that we know off. Don't let the scare-mongering make you think it's the devil.


  • #9
    super_furry
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    Not really, indeed I'm disappointed that our goverment aren't looking into similar measures here.


  • #10
    Milkey Bar Kid
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    It will out the ESB out of Business if we get cheap energy from england


  • #11
    Insect Overlord
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    Milkey Bar Kid wrote: »
    It will out the ESB out of Business if we get cheap energy from england

    The country just signed a deal to sell some of our energy to Britain :confused:


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  • #12
    astrofool
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    Not concerned in the slightest, clean cheap energy that reduces the UK's carbon footprint, along with cheaper electricity for us when we buy it. Great result for everyone.

    I would ask anyone who is still afraid of nuclear to get a nuclear physics book, and study the reactor designs that will be built, if you don't understand the physics behind it, you cannot give a proper opinion on it.


  • #13
    astrofool
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    An File wrote: »
    The country just signed a deal to sell some of our energy to Britain :confused:

    Energy can be both imported and exported depending on demand, and in particular weather (how much wind power we have available).

    For example, if us and Spain covered the west coast in windmills, we would have enough energy to supply Europe, to the extent that the excess energy could be used to load hydroelectric plants in scandinavia. If the wind ever drops, scandinavia has enough capacity to supply Europe for 7 weeks (and that's without going into the potential for offshore wind farms). The problem is getting a DC interconnector for Europe to allow all this electricity to be transmitted from country to country.


  • #14
    Terry
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    astrofool wrote: »
    Energy can be both imported and exported depending on demand, and in particular weather (how much wind power we have available).

    For example, if us and Spain covered the west coast in windmills, we would have enough energy to supply Europe, to the extent that the excess energy could be used to load hydroelectric plants in scandinavia. If the wind ever drops, scandinavia has enough capacity to supply Europe for 7 weeks (and that's without going into the potential for offshore wind farms). The problem is getting a DC interconnector for Europe to allow all this electricity to be transmitted from country to country.
    No, the problem is that people won't want wind farms anywhere near their homes.

    Just think about any time anyone tries to undertake a large project in this country and then picture the hippies in the trees.

    The project ends up taking twice as long and costing three times as much because a bunch of wasters wont get out of the way of progress.

    Shell to sea and the M3 are just two things which come to mind.
    There are plenty more local ones I can think of.


  • #15
    Donny5
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    astrofool wrote: »
    For example, if us and Spain covered the west coast in windmills, we would have enough energy to supply Europe, to the extent that the excess energy could be used to load hydroelectric plants in scandinavia.

    Would we? That sounds pretty suspect, to be honest. Got a source? Also, I know it's After Hours, and no-one has to back up anything, et cetera.


  • #16
    Noopti
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    Donny5 wrote: »
    Would we? That sounds pretty suspect, to be honest. Got a source? Also, I know it's After Hours, and no-one has to back up anything, et cetera.

    Also, because this is After Hours the source will probably be "Yore Ma"......


  • #17
    partyatmygaff
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    Mmmm Nuclear waste in the Irish sea anyone? Nuclear explosion 2012 :p


    Risky having a nuclear reactor so close to home, in the event something happens which i know probably isnt likely but still anything can happen we wouldnt have a hope in hell.


  • #18
    Donny5
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    Noopti wrote: »
    Also, because this is After Hours the source will probably be "Yore Ma"......

    Ah, a reliable source.


  • #19
    Mark200
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    astrofool wrote: »
    I would ask anyone who is still afraid of nuclear to get a nuclear physics book, and study the reactor designs that will be built, if you don't understand the physics behind it, you cannot give a proper opinion on it.

    And presumably ignore the fact that nuclear power generates radioactive waste that takes 1000's of years to become safe?


    I'm not really concerned with the UK's plans, but nuclear power isn't perfect... and it isn't sustainable forever unless someone figures out how to make this nuclear waste safe.


  • #20
    Terry
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    Mark200 wrote: »
    And presumably ignore the fact that nuclear power generates radioactive waste that takes 1000's of years to become safe?


    I'm not really concerned with the UK's plans, but nuclear power isn't perfect... and it isn't sustainable forever unless someone figures out how to make this nuclear waste safe.
    Rocket into space.


  • #21
    [Deleted User]
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    Nuclear power is the way forward. It is safe, clean and very efficient. Wind power, solar power etc are a waste of time and money as a long term means of meeting energy requirements. 87% of power generated in France is nuclear and they have no problems. Fair play to th UK it is a step forward and leaves the fossil fuels for me to burn in my car!:D


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  • #22
    Mycroft H
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    We were going to have a nuclear power plant, near carnsore point.

    But then the hippies kicked up a stink and the idea was dropped.

    Which was a pity i think. We could have benefited from the lower energy prices.....


  • #23
    Robbo
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    landyman wrote: »
    We were going to have a nuclear power plant, near carnsore point.

    But then the hippies kicked up a stink and the idea was dropped.

    Which was a pity i think. We could have benefited from the lower energy prices.....
    It was all Christy Moore's fault, like so many other things.

    It's near impossible to have a rational discussion about nuclear power in this country without someone dragging up Chernobyl and this poor little irradiated children Adi Roche ships in for 3 weeks a year.


  • #24
    Galvasean
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    Robbo wrote: »
    It's near impossible to have a rational discussion about nuclear power in this country without someone dragging up Chernobyl and this poor little irradiated children Adi Roche ships in for 3 weeks a year.

    A knew a man who electricuted himself with a toaster.
    ZOMG electric power isn't safe, ban it!!!!


  • #25
    JimiTime
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    Terry wrote: »
    Rocket into space.

    Yeah, get rid of our nuclear waste, but release Zod and his cronies from the Phanthom Zone:eek: Don't you watch the news?!?!?!?........Or was that a movie......


  • #26
    Capt'n Midnight
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    landyman wrote: »
    We were going to have a nuclear power plant, near carnsore point.
    We used to have the 3rd cheapest electricity in Europe, despite having no interconnectors and no economy of scale as we only equilivant to Birmingham. Price increases since then have been due to fuel costs and government intervention :mad:


  • #27
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Terry wrote: »
    No, the problem is that people won't want wind farms anywhere near their homes.
    Given the choice I'd reckon that apart from those who get direct financial gain more people would prefer the wind farm to the reactor.


  • #28
    Capt'n Midnight
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    astrofool wrote: »
    Not concerned in the slightest, clean cheap energy that reduces the UK's carbon footprint, along with cheaper electricity for us when we buy it. Great result for everyone.
    By the time you figure in all the inputs like CO2 from the concrete and waste managment and mining Nuclear isn't as carbon friendly as you would like to think. Depending on the rate of construction you may even generate more carbon dioxide for many years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EROEI
    I would ask anyone who is still afraid of nuclear to get a nuclear physics book, and study the reactor designs that will be built, if you don't understand the physics behind it, you cannot give a proper opinion on it.
    Lets pretend that there will never be any incidents with reactors.
    You still have the whole reprocessing / waste disposal / increased background radiation level. There is also the problems with mining including some places lower safety standards than here , and the shipping of waste. Not to mention that the price of the fuel will depend on the limited supply.


  • #29
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Terry wrote: »
    Rocket into space.
    Liquid salt based thorium reactors can burn most of the fuel.

    Current nuclear technology only uses a fraction of a percent of the fuel, all of the rest is waste. I doubt the energy required would balance out. Also failure rates of a few percent are common with rockets which isn't all that desirable.


  • #30
    Tazzle
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    Maddux Chilly Snowman wrote: »
    Nuclear power is the way forward. It is safe, clean and very efficient. Wind power, solar power etc are a waste of time and money as a long term means of meeting energy requirements. 87% of power generated in France is nuclear and they have no problems. Fair play to th UK it is a step forward and leaves the fossil fuels for me to burn in my car!:D

    +1 for nuclear energy. Am I concerned? I'm only concerned that we're not pursuing nuclear options.


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  • #31
    Terry
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    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Given the choice I'd reckon that apart from those who get direct financial gain more people would prefer the wind farm to the reactor.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/foyle_and_west/7999616.stm
    A proposed wind farm at Drumsurn in County Londonderry has split the community, Limavady's mayor has said.

    Gaeletric want to erect seven turbines at Smulgedon due to the wind speeds.

    The farms would power about 10,000 homes, but some residents have said there are already too many wind farms in the Sperrins.

    The town's Mayor, Brenda Chivers of Sinn Fein, said: "We're hoping to get all the parties around a table and solve this."

    Gaelectric invited the public to view its plans in Dungiven on Tuesday night.

    Around 30 supporters of the wind farm were at the meeting but members of the Roe Valley Anti-Wind Farm Group decided not to attend the meeting.

    Group secretary, Deborah Mullan, said the group have sent a letter to Gaelectric, outlining their opposition, and their intention to fight the project "all the way".

    "We are yet to be convinced the farms need to be built in Drumsurn," she said.

    "We do have to move forward and renewable energy may be that way but do we need to have so much in one small area.

    "We're not convinced by the arguments made by the company, this a beautiful area and we want to promote that."

    Gaelectric operations director, Mike Denny, said three wind farms in one area is not particularly high.

    "There are other areas of Northern Ireland where there are a higher concentration of wind farms.

    "This is just a case of everyone having to do their part - In NI we import 94 per cent of fossil fuels which is not sustainable," he said.

    Gaelectric said they contacted 34 households within a 1km radius.

    The company said of the 28 that responded, 18 expressed support for the wind farm.

    The planning service will decide the future of the wind farm but a decision could take up to two years.

    That's just 7 turbines.


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