Man Utd vs FC Porto

Headshot · 06-04-2009 11:26AM #1

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we could see Ronaldo up front with Rooney since berba is injured and tevez will be very tired after the plane journeys and yesterdays performance

Mitch Connor · 06-04-2009 11:30AM

Well, according to Fergie, Neville will be dropped for Vidic.

Not sure who the rest of the team will line up.

The defence picks itself..

.............VDS

O'Shea..Vidic..Evans..Evra

Fletcher..Scholes..Carrick..Park

......Ronaldo....Rooney

Foster, Neville, Fabio, Nani, Gibson, Macheda, Tevez.

Something like that maybe.

Spud83 · 06-04-2009 11:39AM

I think Tevez will start this game as I hope we look to put this tie to bed tomorrow. Though with our recent form that may be not happen. Should be a better performance defensively with Vidic back and hopefully Rio too. Hoping Ronaldo goes on a little scoring spree now as well.

VDS

O'Shea---Vidic

Evans/Rio---Evra

Carrick----Scholes

Park

Ronaldo

Rooney

Tevez

2-0 for me.

Mgoraf · 06-04-2009 11:41AM

Agree with the team Mitch posted. Great to have a few new players come in from yesterday with the games being so close together.

_blank_ · 06-04-2009 11:42AM

I think that's about right, Ferguson's mindset in Europe always seems to be "not lose" rather than "win", so yeah, Fletcher and Park playing makes sense, although, what was the last time Fletcher played RW?

Can see Fletcher slotting into the middle with Ronaldo out right, and Rooney up front by himself.

Or, Rooney out left, Park right and Ronaldo up top.

Mitch Connor · 06-04-2009 11:43AM

Des wrote: »

I think that's about right, Ferguson's mindset in Europe always seems to be "not lose" rather than "win", so yeah, Fletcher and Park playing makes sense, although, what was the last time Fletcher played RW?

Can see Fletcher slotting into the middle with Ronaldo out right, and Rooney up front by himself.

Or, Rooney out left, Park right and Ronaldo up top.

while I have them in a 442, yeah - i could see a lot of rotation during the match with regards to positions and formations.

Spud83 · 06-04-2009 11:46AM

Seems like Rio won't make it and neither will Anderson.

MANUTD.COM wrote:

“I don't think any of the injured players will be back against Porto,” Sir Alex told MUTV after the Villa match. “But we do have the suspended players back which is good. Vida will play alongside Jonny Evans at the back with John O'Shea at right-back.

"Rooney and Scholes are also available which will give us a bit more penetration and experience, and Ji-sung Park will also be ready so I've got some good options for Tuesday. I'll have to assess how Ryan [Giggs] is after playing the 90 minutes against Villa. It's a big ask for someone at 35 years of age to play another game two days later at the kind of level we play.”

Players training on Monday: Van der sar, Foster, Kuszczak, Amos; Vidic, Eckersley, Fabio, Corry Evans; Scholes, Park, Tosic, Martin, Gibson; Rooney, Macheda, Welbeck.

Rooney and Scholes seem like definites to come in based on what Fergie said. He also seems to be think about Giggs. I really don't want to see him up front.

Dave! · 06-04-2009 11:51AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Well, according to Fergie, Neville will be dropped for Vidic.

Not sure who the rest of the team will line up.

The defence picks itself..

.............VDS

O'Shea..Vidic..Evans..Evra

Fletcher..Scholes..Carrick..Park

......Ronaldo....Rooney

Foster, Neville, Fabio, Nani, Gibson, Macheda, Tevez.

Something like that maybe.

Defo the team I'd go with I think. Dying to see Vida back... hope he's not rusty

Fletch earned himself a start I think, and I wanna see Park start again.

_blank_ · 06-04-2009 11:57AM

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

Rooney and Scholes seem like definites to come in based on what Fergie said. He also seems to be think about Giggs. I really don't want to see him up front.

Giggs and Scholes shouldn't play together.

Unless he really wants to slow the pace right down.

The worrying thing is the patched together defence, if Porto score I'd be worried about progress.

Mikeyt086 · 06-04-2009 12:08PM

I can see Tevez getting a start. He was asked alot to play alone up top on Sunday, maybe be rewarded with a start alongside Rooney in the Champions League.

After all, Tevez and Rooney was our 1st choice strike partnership in last years winning campaign.

PHB · 06-04-2009 12:10PM

Giggs and Scholes together is a recipe for disaster imo. Too slow.

It's Fergie, at home in Europe. It's much more attacking than what he's like when we're playing away. But it's still less attacking than we are in the league.

I think its unrealistic to expect Tevez to be playing. I'd imagine it'll be something like this:

VDS

--O'Shea----Evans

Vidic

Evra-

Carrick--Scholes

--Park

Fletcher

Rooney-

Ronaldo

We haven't seen Fletcher on the right in quite some time and I don't think that'll change tomorrow. I think in a European game Carrick can do a job defensively as he doesnt have to get stuck in, just intercept. Park and Rooney will drop in to sure up the midfield and provide pressure, and Ronaldo will do a good job up front as he does in Europe.

I think if we play that team we should be able to win the game, however I think we may well concede an away goal which will be troublesome.

Dave! · 06-04-2009 12:11PM

I wouldn't say it'd be a 'reward' if he's knackered and wants to go to sleep

I'd say Tevez will be on the bench

Mikeyt086 · 06-04-2009 12:14PM

Dave, Tevez does not get tired.

Spud83 · 06-04-2009 12:19PM

I agree regarding Scholes and Giigs not starting together, but SAF has done it this year. I can't see Giggs doing two games so close together though.

As for Tevez I think it will be a matter of how he looks in training today and tomorrow. Something we won't really be privy to.

As for the defense being patched up. It will be a lot better than yesterday. Really only Rio missing from our first choice.

I would say O'Shea has been our first choice RB this year.
Vidic is obviously first choice center back.
Evra obviously first choice left back.
Evans is our third choice center back and will look a lot better beside Vidic. Rather than beside O'Shea, Neville.

Carroller16 · 06-04-2009 12:22PM

3-0 home win....

Porto are playing against a team still on a buzz of confidence after yesterday

Mikeyt086 · 06-04-2009 12:25PM

Am i the only one who would class Rafael as VERY close to our first choice RB this year?

I reckon if he was fit O'Shea would not get as much game time, there would certainly be a toss-up before each game, speed or toughness.

Spud83 · 06-04-2009 12:28PM

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

Am i the only one who would class Rafael as VERY close to our first choice RB this year?

I reckon if he was fit O'Shea would not get as much game time, there would certainly be a toss-up before each game, speed or toughness.

Your right in that Rafeal would be seeing some game time if he wasn't injured. No doubt about that. But in the big games especially away from home I think O'Shea would be picked every time. Thats what makes me think he is first choice.

redout · 06-04-2009 12:34PM

Didnt Giggs and Scholes play against Inter at old trafford and we won 2 - 0 ?

redout · 06-04-2009 12:35PM

Manchester United v Porto

Misses next match if booked: Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Cristian Rodriguez (Porto), Cristian Sapunaru (Porto), Hulk (Porto) :eek:

Spud83 · 06-04-2009 12:36PM

redout wrote: »

Didnt Giggs and Scholes play against Inter at old trafford and we won 2 - 0 ?

Wasn't that actually a very poor performance where we were lucky not concede at least one goal.

redout · 06-04-2009 12:37PM

Champions League - Match facts: Manchester United v Porto

All the facts and figures ahead of Manchester United's Champions League quarter-final clash with Porto at Old Trafford.

The last time Porto met Manchester United they won 2-1 at home and drew 1-1 at Old Trafford in the Last 16 - they went on to win the trophy in 2004.

United have met Porto three times in European competition with the sides winning two games each and drawing two. Porto have progressed on two occasions and United once.

United have won five and drawn one of their six home games against Portuguese opposition in this competition.

Porto have won only three of 14 matches against English opponents in the Champions League, losing six and drawing one of the away matches.

Porto have conceded 20 goals in the seven away games in the Champions League against English clubs and kept no clean sheets.

United have won 15 and lost none of their last 19 Champions League matches at Old Trafford.

Man Utd are unbeaten in their last 21 Champions League matches, but their win over Inter was their only victory in the last five games in the competition.

Sir Alex Ferguson's side have kept 11 clean sheets in their last 14 Champions League matches.

Porto have kept no clean sheets in their last seven Champions League away games and conceded four in each of their last two trips to England.

Rio Ferdinand & co have conceded the fewest goals so far in the competition - three.

Porto's Argentinean striker Lisandro Lopez has scored five goals in his side's last four Champions League games and six in total in the competition this season

redout · 06-04-2009 12:38PM

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

Wasn't that actually a very poor performance where we were lucky not concede at least one goal.

Yes Scholes was rubbish but the point I am making is that we won 2 - 0 against Inter who I would rate higher than Porto. Scholes also good and fresh now.

Spud83 · 06-04-2009 12:39PM

redout wrote: »

Manchester United v Porto

Misses next match if booked: Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Cristian Rodriguez (Porto), Cristian Sapunaru (Porto), Hulk (Porto) :eek:

If we get to the final there is no way Rooney will not get that suspension along the way. Its just a matter of when and how many games we give him to get it.*

*based on cards not being wiped off which I don't think they are.

Spud83 · 06-04-2009 12:41PM

redout wrote: »

Yes Scholes was rubbish but the point I am making is that we won 2 - 0 against Inter who I would rate higher than Porto. Scholes also good and fresh now.

Scholes will be good and fresh but Giggs wouldn't be. It really hampers our performance having the two of them in the team. Takes a lot of pace out of our game. Need a nice high energy start tomorrow, and an early goal to build on the buzz coming off of yesterday.

_blank_ · 06-04-2009 12:41PM

If they put a couple past Porto tomorrow, he will get himself booked.

Spud83 · 06-04-2009 12:45PM

Des wrote: »

If they put a couple past Porto tomorrow, he will get himself booked.

oh you old cynic.

_blank_ · 06-04-2009 12:47PM

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

oh you old cynic.

It's what I'd tell my players to do in the same situation.

Dave! · 06-04-2009 12:49PM

Des wrote: »

It's what I'd tell my players to do in the same situation.

Yeah but nobody listens to you Des

quad_red · 06-04-2009 12:50PM

Des wrote: »

If they put a couple past Porto tomorrow, he will get himself booked.

Was thinking that myself...

but what's the 'safest' way to get a yellow?

Kick the ball away after the whistle has gone?

Spud83 · 06-04-2009 12:50PM

Des wrote: »

It's what I'd tell my players to do in the same situation.

Knowing Rooney he probably won't have to do it. Just play as normal and get the booking.

If they do do this then they better do it late in the game. Otherwise he would probably end up with a red.

Smegball · 06-04-2009 01:41PM

redout wrote: »

Champions League - Match facts: Manchester United v Porto

All the facts and figures ahead of Manchester United's Champions League quarter-final clash with Porto at Old Trafford.

The last time Porto met Manchester United they won 2-1 at home and drew 1-1 at Old Trafford in the Last 16 - they went on to win the trophy in 2004.

United have met Porto three times in European competition with the sides winning two games each and drawing two. Porto have progressed on two occasions and United once.

United have won five and drawn one of their six home games against Portuguese opposition in this competition.

Porto have won only three of 14 matches against English opponents in the Champions League, losing six and drawing one of the away matches.

Porto have conceded 20 goals in the seven away games in the Champions League against English clubs and kept no clean sheets.

United have won 15 and lost none of their last 19 Champions League matches at Old Trafford.

Man Utd are unbeaten in their last 21 Champions League matches, but their win over Inter was their only victory in the last five games in the competition.

Sir Alex Ferguson's side have kept 11 clean sheets in their last 14 Champions League matches.

Porto have kept no clean sheets in their last seven Champions League away games and conceded four in each of their last two trips to England.

Rio Ferdinand & co have conceded the fewest goals so far in the competition - three.

Porto's Argentinean striker Lisandro Lopez has scored five goals in his side's last four Champions League games and six in total in the competition this season

How excellent is that! Kinda expecting it to still be 11 after tomorrow night though.

Man Utd vs FC Porto

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