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Arsenal Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,213 ✭✭✭✭therecklessone


    OPENROAD wrote: »
    They never really have compared to other clubs even years ago when hooliganism was rife and they certainly don't these days,well certainly not in and around grunds home or away and as far as I'm concerned that is the important thing,any thing further away has nothing to with Arsenal or football.

    They've traditionally been in the shadow of West Ham, Chelsea and Spurs on that front, but gave a good account of themselves on occasion. Lets not forget Copenhagen, shall we?

    Like I said above, I've had the misfortune of being in the wrong place at the wrong time on a couple of occasions now, and I've seen a turnout from Arsenal. They are highly thought of these days.

    And whether you or I associate it with football or our clubs doesn't matter, the fact is they associate themselves with the clubs. It doesn't go off in or near the grounds because they are not stupid enough to get involved in sight of CCTV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭yahoo_moe


    If you ever wondered what happened to Glenn Helder, there's a documentary on his post-football struggles...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNLQ3fHSSjc

    Comes across as a bit of a prat to be honest - I'd say he'd quickly lose my sympathy if I saw the full thing anyway.

    EDIT: Found this article on him too, which goes into more detail.
    The Review - FEATURE
    Published: 5 February 2009

    When the beautiful game turns ugly

    Glenn Helder once dazzled crowds at Highbury with his skill and represented a glimmer of hope at a grim time in Arsenal’s history – but, as a new film reveals, gambling and a near brush with death ruined his life and career, writes Richard Osley

    GLENN Helder is angry his showboating talents with a football haven’t made him a millionaire, even if by his own account it was his flashy BMW which helped save his life.
    His gambling debts running out of control and high-interest loan sharks on his tail, the one-time Arsenal winger was discovered slumped by the roadside a few years back, fighting for consciousness. Police officers found him eyes-closed and confused from downing 20 highly potent sleeping pills.
    Whether it was a cry for help or a genuine attempt at suicide, it marked the lowest point for a man whose name still resonates with football fans in north London.
    With his frizzy mop, Jheri curl hairdo and a penchant for over-the-top tricks with the ball, Helder was one of the first foreign footballers to be given that semi-racist “exotic signing” label by the cliché-ridden hack population in the Arsenal press box.
    Equipped with speed and skill, his first matches at Highbury were full of promise – tantalising close control and the ability to spin past defenders as if, like those hoary old clichés have it, they weren’t there.
    He turned up from Holland in 1995, in the days before entire teams consisted of players from abroad and on the cusp of the multi-million pound television sponsorship deals which turned football into the bloated, gold-plated industry it is today.
    He cha-cha-cha’d around opponents, raised hopes and then, almost as quickly as this Dutch glamour boy had come, he had gone – dropped and sold on not just by Arsenal but dumped by the raving egos of the Holland international side as well.
    In a flash, a star in the making had been taken from us and nobody really knew why. His name – or his hairdo at least – still haunts the fans who remember Arsenal’s bluesy mid-1990s, a fractured time before Wenger, Henry, Fabregas et al and the Emirates Stadium.
    But then, just last month at the Amsterdam Film Festival, a documentary about this unpredictable figure suddenly emerged – Glenn Helder, C’est La Vie – to fill in the gaps.
    Film-maker Jessica Villerius has spent days with Helder, charting an angry decline from the Premier League to jail via too many casinos and a brush with the psychiatrist’s clinic.
    The transformation is striking. Helder’s head is bald, his worry lines stretched with anger and bitterness. A bulging-eyed talking head, Helder spits out missive after missive: his ex-wife’s boyfriend at the centre of most of his wrath. He is angry that footballers make more money now than they did when he was playing and claims those who came after him have more help with the pitfalls faced by young men with too much money and adulation.
    Some have claimed he might suffer from a narcissistic mental illness – but he refuses to accept the diagnosis.
    In 40 minutes, he wavers. Sometimes the world is to blame, sometimes he admits he is a “loser” who has brought most of his misfortune on himself.
    At Arsenal, Helder got injured, spent more time running up casino debts than training and was shipped out by Arsene Wenger. A destructive cycle began. He failed to impress elsewhere, the high-stakes gambling continued and then he was sent to jail for beating up the new partner of the mother of his child. Not long before, he had thrown the sleeping tablets down his throat.
    He describes the scene: “I went to the place where everyone stops to sleep, near a roadside restaurant I pretended to be asleep and I took 20 of those bloody pills. I was lucky because people noticed my car. Everyone was asleep but that car stood out. It was a BMW 8 Series. By coincidence a police car drove by. If they had been five minutes later, I would have been dead.”
    It’s a sad admission for anybody who first saw him twirling down the wing in an Arsenal shirt, a perfect example of a wasted talent.
    He tells Villerius’s film mournfully: “Behind the smile, my heart is black as coal.”
    As teams like Manchester City and Chelsea attempt to attract the world’s best talent with wages that go up as the rest of the world’s economic fortunes go down, Helder is agitated that he now has a pension paying “less than what a beggar makes”.
    Whether he is narcis*sistic or not, Helder watches old VHS tape of his only Arsenal goal, getting “goosebumps” and agonising over what might have been.
    He adds: “When I go for a job interview people say: “You mean you’re the Glenn Helder? They think I’m joking. They expect me to drive up in an expensive car. But I go there by bus or train. Let’s face it, I should have been a millionaire by now, with my talents. And that’s putting it mildly.”
    He looks up and with those worry lines appear*ing deeper and deeper he adds: “Nowa*days players are taken care of. The clubs even give them underwear.
    “You’re responsible for your own actions but I should have gotten a harder smack on the head. There were warning signs but they weren’t strong enough.”
    For all the pain he has been through, Helder is hard to like – so stubborn and angry, you want the curly-haired showboater to somehow time travel back on to the screen.
    Yet, his fight to get access to his son and a lifetime of debts is a worthy warning sign for the footballers in fast cars unlikely to be thinking about what their 30s and 40s and beyond will hold. There will be other Glenn Helders, maybe not to such a near-suicidal extreme, that find out that when the game ends, what comes next is not always as fun.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 508 ✭✭✭itsjaybud


    The good ole Sun!!

    Bit of a strange one? The all round funny guy and arsenal legend that is Paul Merson returns to the bookies, but in a good way this time??!!:confused:


    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2339454.ece


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭yahoo_moe


    2 new twists on the "people generally don't go on to better things when they leave Arsenal" story anyway...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    They've traditionally been in the shadow of West Ham, Chelsea and Spurs on that front, but gave a good account of themselves on occasion. Lets not forget Copenhagen, shall we?


    Re Copenhagen, from my understanding Arsenal fans were attacked by Galatasaray fans now if I was there I would have very quickly made sure I left the area,obviously a minority didn't and as a result 37 fans were banned from Highbury.

    I've been going to Arsenal matches for over ten years now and can honestly say I've seen only two incidents of very minor trouble in the ground and in the areas surrounding the stadium including European trips and as mentioned Paris was probably one of the best trips made with Arsenal and Barcelona fans mixing in the days leading up to the match and after.

    IMO the important thing is that their is little or no trouble these days in and around the general area of stadiums, if anything takes place a few miles away it has nothing to do with Football or the clubs in question.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 799 ✭✭✭Indie18


    OPENROAD wrote: »

    IMO the important thing is that their is little or no trouble these days in and around the general area of stadiums, if anything takes place a few miles away it has nothing to do with Football or the clubs in question.

    Even if the trouble is in and around the stadiums it has nothing to do with football, its just scumbags being scumbags only that they are doing it in a teams colours. These people have no more interest in the football side of things than I do in cricket.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Evil_Clown


    Let the International break injury conveyer belt begin :mad:
    I hope Wenger lets rip at this Jean Thissen fella if anything happens

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=631408&cc=5739


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,579 ✭✭✭✭Frisbee


    I have a really bad feeling about an RVP injury...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    TBH I wouldnt mind adebayor hetting a run out for Togo. Let him get some match practice. Id rather not see an unfit Adebayor taking up space for arsenal while Eduardo sits on the bench.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Evil_Clown


    Frisbee wrote: »
    I have a really bad feeling about an RVP injury...

    Please God no !!

    *touches wooden desk*


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,713 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    Bad timing with this break coming up. We're in our best form of the season and could do without the disruption. Only positive is the time it gives Cesc and Theo and the other lad (Ros...something or other) recovery time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Gavin Hoyte played 90mins for the England U19s yesterday in the 0-0 draw with Czech Republic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Gavin Hoyte played 90mins for the England U19s yesterday in the 0-0 draw with Czech Republic.

    hmmm... thought he would have been let go by now after some awful performances in the preseason, but i guess he's still very young. How's he looked of late for the reserves?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,579 ✭✭✭✭Frisbee


    hmmm... thought he would have been let go by now after some awful performances in the preseason, but i guess he's still very young. How's he looked of late for the reserves?

    He's currently on loan at Watford


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    Frisbee wrote: »
    He's currently on loan at Watford

    ah, that explains that :D

    well, has be been getting any game time at all for them?


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    He's played 10 odd games at RB for them. Dunno how he's played though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭wandatowell


    Possible new away kit for next season


    http://www.fansonline.net/arsenal/article.php?id=383

    Better than the snot green one doing the rounds


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,579 ✭✭✭✭Frisbee


    I actually think the green one looks better...


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    That one is definately fake - saw it a few years ago.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    That one is definately fake - saw it a few years ago.

    i remember that too. thank god nothing came of it, it's horrible. snot green all the way!


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    i remember that too. thank god nothing came of it, it's horrible. snot green all the way!
    I'm getting worried that ****ing thing is genuine...

    I wish we could keep the current away and last season's home forever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭wandatowell


    I wish we could keep the current away and last season's home forever.

    Defo agree with the current away kit, just bought it for 25 quid too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,476 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    There hasn't been a navy/blue away kit in a few seasons. Probably due one at this stage.

    Just ordered an Arshavin 23 home jersey, for about €20 too!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭TheNorthBank


    There hasn't been a navy/blue away kit in a few seasons. Probably due one at this stage.

    Just ordered an Arshavin 23 home jersey, for about 20 too!

    Now there's a bargain. Where did you get it so cheap? Do share.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,476 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    www.bestway4you.com

    Think I read about them on boards first. I've ordered a good few jersey's off them, this year's away jersey, a Germany jersey, a Pool jersey (ugh, it was for a mate). All of them look perfect, they're the real deal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    All of them look perfect, they're the real deal.

    nope, they're not. a lot are possibly the nightshift at the same factory, but most of them aren't the full authenticated kit, some being a lot more off th
    an others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭tony1kenobi


    nope, they're not. a lot are possibly the nightshift at the same factory, but most of them aren't the full authenticated kit, some being a lot more off th
    an others.

    Nightshift at the same factory made by the same people using the same materials.....the only thing missing is the 40 quid extra you need to pay for a price tag that says €60.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭yahoo_moe


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Gavin Hoyte played 90mins for the England U19s yesterday in the 0-0 draw with Czech Republic.
    Hopefully Gibbs gets some gametime with the U-21s tonight as well, be good for him to start getting involved regularly with them if possible. And there seems to be an opportunity with injuries...
    He's played 10 odd games at RB for them. Dunno how he's played though.
    Well, iirc Loan Watch has talked up a few of his performances - but they do that all the time. He's been subbed a few times, which isn't a great sign for a full back really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,713 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    nope, they're not. a lot are possibly the nightshift at the same factory, but most of them aren't the full authenticated kit, some being a lot more off th
    an others.

    Try thefootballshirt.com instead. Mate of mine got one from there recently and its quality.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean




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