Polish Racist

Gran Hermano · 20-03-2009 05:07PM

OldGoat wrote: »

Monkey see, monkey do

Honky see, honky do

20-03-2009 05:08PM

pipeliner wrote: »

is it not the case that the food is brought over from poland specifically for polish people and it costs so much to import it, so they dont want everyone buying it? A friend of mine gets his polish friends to get him some of the food as he cant go into the polish shop.

Yeah...no.

That makes no sense.

Hazys · 20-03-2009 05:08PM

Abigayle wrote: »

The point of this being?

Are you asking me what her motives might be to lie? Obviously I don't know, but there is no fact in this story, she could be lying, it could have been closing time at the shop and it was a missunderstanding, etc.

The newspaper has no reason to publish a story like this, its reckless journalism, which promotes racism (we already have 2 pages on how racist people can be) to sell newspapers and could also cripple a local shop when they could have done nothing wrong.

People are easily lead by the media and the media have a responsibility to tell the truth. I know this is just a small piece in a crappy newspaper but its occurs all the time on a larger scale.

dsmythy · 20-03-2009 05:11PM

Hazys wrote: »

Are you asking me what her motives might be to lie? Obviously I don't know, but there is no fact in this story, she could be lying, it could have been closing time at the shop and it was a missunderstanding, etc.

The newspaper has no reason to publish a story like this, its reckless journalism, which promotes racism (we already have 2 pages on how racist people can be) to sell newspapers and could also cripple a local shop when they could have done nothing wrong.

People are easily lead by the media and the media have a responsibility to tell the truth. I know this is just a small piece in a crappy newspaper but its occurs all the time on a larger scale.

I have this feeling that if this was a Polish person being kicked out of a shop for being Polish you would laud the article and promote it to show an example of racism that should be stamped out.

Hazys · 20-03-2009 05:12PM

dsmythy wrote: »

So if a black guy claimed he was kicked out of a shop for being black you would be of the same opinion? One's word against another. Ignore the story?

You changed the story around and put black man in, instead of white woman, how would that change my opinion on crap journalism?

dsmythy · 20-03-2009 05:16PM

Hazys wrote: »

You changed the story around and put black man in, instead of white woman, how would that change my opinion on crap journalism?

For some it will do. If not in your case then at least you're consistent.

Daithi07 · 20-03-2009 05:16PM

OldGoat wrote: »

Monkey see, monkey do

Not a good enough excuse, especially when a guest in there country!

Hazys · 20-03-2009 05:17PM

dsmythy wrote: »

I have this feeling that if this was a Polish person being kicked out of a shop for being Polish you would laud the article and promote it to show an example of racism that should be stamped out.

That statement just proves the point i was trying to make, a story with no fact in it can be used to push a persons opinion no matter what it is.

Disease Ridden · 20-03-2009 05:20PM

I dont know why, but if a non-white made a racial insult to me for being white, I wouldnt be in the least offended. Neither would any of my white friends for that matter.

And anybody who says they wern't at least a bit shocked when the read the story because "there are racists of every nationality blah blah", seriously you're bending over backwards.

Abi · 20-03-2009 05:23PM

Hazys wrote: »

Are you asking me what her motives might be to lie? Obviously I don't know, but there is no fact in this story, she could be lying, it could have been closing time at the shop and it was a missunderstanding, etc.

I seriously doubt it. It wouldnt be a first for this kind of shït.

Its tiring listening to people carrying on like only whites / English / Irish etc. are racist.

hobochris · 20-03-2009 05:30PM

There is no group more racist then a minority...

ejmaztec · 20-03-2009 05:31PM

The article probably fails to point out that she was wearing a full Nazi SS uniform and had 2 decapitated heads and a machine-gun hanging from her belt.

Agamemnon · 20-03-2009 05:31PM

Reminds me of a cartoon I saw in an English newspaper when Jean-Marie Le Pen was planning a trip to Britain. It showed a skinheaded, BNP type looking in disgust at a poster advertising Le Pen's visit. "Bloody foreigners," the skinhead said, "Coming over here and stealing our racism."

Degsy · 20-03-2009 05:31PM

hobochris wrote: »

There is no group more racist then a minority...

And in a lot of places they're not in a minority at all..birds of a feather flock togerther etc.

Rsaeire · 20-03-2009 05:39PM

justcallmetex wrote: »

I dont think you can say one people are more racist than the next. Humans are territorial animals by nature. I'd guess the Polish are as racist as the Irish and all other nationalities too

Yes you can. Just look all around Ireland, U.S.A., South Africa, to name a few countries, and you’ll see racism at its worst.

Degsy · 20-03-2009 05:52PM

Rsaeire wrote: »

Yes you can. Just look all around U.S.A., South Africa

Two very good examples of places where you can get murdered for being white.

Eoin · 20-03-2009 05:57PM

pipeliner wrote: »

is it not the case that the food is brought over from poland specifically for polish people and it costs so much to import it, so they dont want everyone buying it? A friend of mine gets his polish friends to get him some of the food as he cant go into the polish shop.

If the shop doesn't make more money by increasing sales, then I think I've spotted the flaw in their business plan.

AnonoBoy · 20-03-2009 05:58PM

Degsy wrote: »

Racism cuts every which way,you just dont hear about it unless its white people doing the discriminating.

But.... but..... we are hearing about it.

AnonoBoy · 20-03-2009 05:59PM

Degsy wrote: »

Two very good examples of places where you can get murdered for being white.

Or for being black.

dsmythy · 20-03-2009 06:00PM

Rsaeire wrote: »

Yes you can. Just look all around Ireland, U.S.A., South Africa, to name a few countries, and you’ll see racism at its worst.

Are you saying that those named countries are more racist than others?

Rsaeire · 20-03-2009 06:04PM

Degsy wrote: »

Two very good examples of places where you can get murdered for being white.

My point wasn't specific to any particular race, but racism in all forms against different races.

dsmythy wrote: »

Are you saying that those named countries are more racist than others?

Yes I am. In addition, I am not saying they are the most racist, simply more racist than others.

Nodin · 20-03-2009 06:10PM

Degsy wrote: »

I was refused entry to a shop in moore st a few years ago because i was white..

Nope, probably because you were you....

Degsy wrote: »

Another shop in drogheda had a sign up saying "no whites" untill they were forced to remove it.
.

Hmmm, controversial. You should have no problem providing a source for that then so.....

Dudess · 20-03-2009 06:12PM

justcallmetex wrote: »

Daily Telegraph enough said.

The Daily Telegraph is a conservative-leaning paper but it's still fairly moderate - it's nowhere near as bad as the Mail/Express.

Hazys wrote: »

Are you asking me what her motives might be to lie? Obviously I don't know, but there is no fact in this story, she could be lying, it could have been closing time at the shop and it was a missunderstanding, etc.

The newspaper has no reason to publish a story like this, its reckless journalism

You could say that about loads of different types of news story - why this one in particular? Why are you definitively stating there is no fact in it? Often word of mouth is considered adequate - the shopkeeper would have been given right to reply (and declining to comment would tend to imply guilt). Journalists/editors have to adhere to certain ethical standards, as well as always considering defamation - they're not just going to throw out any old unsubstantiated yarn... Well ok, some red tops do that, as the amount of copies sold will more than cover the legal costs, but the Telegraph doesn't operate like that.

People are easily lead by the media and the media have a responsibility to tell the truth.

Why the presumption that this isn't the truth though?

Disease Ridden wrote: »

I dont know why, but if a non-white made a racial insult to me for being white, I wouldnt be in the least offended. Neither would any of my white friends for that matter.

I'd say it would depend on the situation for me. But yeah, I hear ya - white people generally have the upper hand anyway so it's not like any racism against us has a huge impact on our lives.

And anybody who says they wern't at least a bit shocked when the read the story because "there are racists of every nationality blah blah", seriously you're bending over backwards.

Ah I'd agree racism is surely going to be a problem in every society - it may just manifest itself in different ways/have differing impacts.

Rsaeire wrote: »

Yes you can. Just look all around Ireland, U.S.A., South Africa, to name a few countries, and you’ll see racism at its worst.

Why are you including Ireland? In fairness, racist comments on Stormfront, whinges on the Herald/Joe Duffy and the very, very odd examples of discrimination (which generally isn't tolerated at an institutional level) are hardly comparable with Apartheid/the Deep South.
I'd say there are far worse places to live than Ireland if you're non white/non English speaking.

Degsy · 20-03-2009 06:14PM

Nodin wrote: »

Hmmm, controversial. You should have no problem providing a source for that then so.....

What you mean like an internet link?
If i cant provide an internet link does that mean i'm a liar and so are all the other people who objected to it?

Wompa1 · 20-03-2009 06:14PM

Dudess wrote: »

The Daily Telegraph is a conservative-leaning paper but it's still fairly moderate - it's nowhere near as bad as the Mail/Express.

You could say that about loads of different types of news story - why this one in particular? Why are you definitively stating there is no fact in it? Often word of mouth is considered adequate - the shopkeeper would have been given right to reply (and declining to comment would tend to imply guilt). Journalists/editors have to adhere to certain ethical standards, as well as always considering defamation - they're not just going to throw out any old unsubstantiated yarn... Well ok, some red tops do that, as the amount of copies sold will more than cover the legal costs, but the Telegraph doesn't operate like that.

Why the presumption that this isn't the truth though?

I'd say it would depend on the situation for me. But yeah, I hear ya - white people generally have the upper hand anyway so it's not like any racism against us has a huge impact on our lives.

Ah I'd agree racism is surely going to be a problem in every society - it may just manifest itself in different ways/have differing impacts.

Why are you including Ireland? In fairness, racist comments on Stormfront, whinges on the Herald/Joe Duffy and the very, very odd examples of discrimination (which generally isn't tolerated at an institutional level) are hardly comparable with Apartheid/the Deep South.
I'd say there are far worse places to live than Ireland if you're non white/non English speaking.

Ow my head...too articulate. I say everybody chill out, go watch Gran Torino and have a good laugh. Racial intolerance can be delightful in the right context

SWL · 20-03-2009 06:18PM

Yes I am. In addition, I am not saying they are the most racist, simply more racist than others.[/quote]

Congratulations how does it feel to have travelled to every country on earth and arrived at this conclusion, or as the PC brigade who have finally arrived on this thread would say mind providing a link for that......

Rsaeire · 20-03-2009 06:18PM

Dudess wrote: »

Why are you including Ireland? In fairness, racist comments on Stormfront, whinges on the Herald/Joe Duffy and the very, very odd examples of discrimination (which generally isn't tolerated at an institutional level) are hardly comparable with Apartheid/the Deep South.
I'd say there are far worse places to live than Ireland if you're non white/non English speaking.

I would never make a direct comparison between Apartheid in South Africa and racism in Ireland, I was pointing out three countries that I have knowledge of that have, in different ways, produced varying degrees of racism more visible than other countries.

Dudess · 20-03-2009 06:20PM

Like what in Ireland? I'm not having a go at you, just interested.

I think there is a tendency among some Irish people to be apologetic about/highly critical of this country just because of a handful of racists and just because the Irish emigrated.

Degsy · 20-03-2009 06:20PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

Racial intolerance can be delightful in the right context

Have a good old chuckle at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5StQAr7n0&feature=PlayList&p=AE7D125257C10857&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=30

Rsaeire · 20-03-2009 06:21PM

SWL wrote: »

Congratulations how does it feel to have travelled to every country on earth and arrived at this conclusion, or as the PC brigade who have finally arrived on this thread would say mind providing a link for that......

The fact that I made a comparison between several countries does not mean that I have to have knowledge of every single country in existence. Would you make a comparison between two people based upon what you know of those two people? If you would, then, by your own rationale, you would have to know every single person in the world before making that comparison.

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