Upgrade of the M7 from 2 to 3 lanes between Naas and the M9 junction

The Naas ball flyover should of being knocked when they refitted it:rolleyes:

Not going to get into this petty rediculing of the NRA.:rolleyes:
But when they repaired the bridge they should of replaced the colums for widening. I just don't understand the short sighteness I'm so sick of it at this stage:mad:

The 3 other existing road bridges on the Naas bypass have to go. The rest of the bridges should be fine up till the M9. As from the Naas bypass to the M9 off ramp is wide median motorway.

This should of been done when the Naas road was dug up. But pfffft.

Will the third Naas bypass access be incoporated into this scheme, at the Milennium business park? If so, if not, will the new upgrade still allow this gap to be renumbered as part of the rest of the M7

Or will the NRA, go dumb beanie and build this upgrade, build this interchange after, then remove all the numberings and yank the new numbering so this new interchange is incoporated.

I know this is all juggle juggle, but the NRA are a bit lost.

The other thing that really get's on my tits.
is the down arrows, on two lane motorways. YOU DON'T NEED TWO DOWN ARROWS LANE BY LANE SEGMENTS on two lane motoway along with left arrow facing up. It's absaloutely retarded.

It really is, they don't have awful signage like this in other countries. Ugh it's horrible. The examples are actually on the Naas bypass. They only need down facing arrows if the motorway is more than 2 lanes. So traffic gets in lane. When it is two lanes YOU DON'T NEED IT for christ sakes.

mysterious wrote: »

Will the third Naas bypass access be incoporated into this scheme, at the Milennium business park? If so, if not, will the new upgrade still allow this gap to be renumbered as part of the rest of the M7

Or will the NRA, go dumb beanie and build this upgrade, build this interchange after, then remove all the numberings and yank the new numbering so this new interchange is incoporated.

I know this is all juggle juggle, but the NRA are a bit lost.

The other thing that really get's on my tits.
is the down arrows, on two lane motorways. YOU DON'T NEED TWO DOWN ARROWS LANE BY LANE SEGMENTS on two lane motoway along with left arrow facing up. It's absaloutely retarded.

It really is, they don't have awful signage like this in other countries. Ugh it's horrible. The examples are actually on the Naas bypass. They only need down facing arrows if the motorway is more than 2 lanes. So traffic gets in lane. When it is two lanes YOU DON'T NEED IT for christ sakes.

I didn't realise it turned into a rant:D

ardmacha wrote: »

This toll would mean 3 on the Cork route for 240km of motorway, or 1 every 80km. Tell the people in Kells that is unfair, as they face two tolls over 60Km reaching Dublin.



What is unviable about them. These were the National roads until 20 years ago. There is traffic in the towns, but there is traffic in Navan, Drogheda, Fermoy and other other towns bypassed by toll roads.

Yes but the M3 is a toll built motorway. I dissagree with two tolls here too.


There is already a toll at Portlaoise, and then put one at Newbridge. It just wont work. Since the Newbridge motorway isn't a toll. Why are you suggesting to put one there.

The road between Kildare and Naas will not able to cope with the toll diversion. This is a totally different comparison. The people of Kells have a choice to either pay one toll on the M3 while avoid the other or still use the existing route.

We are talking about long distance traffic been stung on the busier M7 sections. Two tolls is enough for each inter urban. Another one at Newbridge is just going to cause mayhem.

There was a car crash on the M7 last year or the year before, that forced 25,000 cars both M7/M9 NB to use the old road. There were 4 hour congestion in Newbridge, Naas and Kilcullen.

The M3 is a high quality standard toll motorway. The existing N3 is far better qaulity than the toll alternate than that of the Naas to Newbridge section. Also the traffic avoiding the tolls for the M3 would be far less than 15,000 cars avoiding the Newbridge section. This amount of traffic is not sustainable on the Old R445 and Kilcullen roads.

murphaph wrote: »

The Naas-Newbridge section of the R445 is dual carriageway throughout. The N3 is entirely single carriageway where the M3 will take over. You are talking nonsense here.

No i'm not, this through traffic will have to go through Naas and Newbridge. These are huge towns the existing roads are already heavily trafficked. I'm aware of the small DC section but this route serves both towns of over 20,000 each. There doesn't need to be other traffic on this route, fine and well as a toll alternative, but the remainder of the route is a narrow single carriegway going through Naas, Kildare and Newbridge. The Curragh roundabout R445 is already at capacity. The Naas Ball flyover is also at capactiy. Where do you suggest the toll avoiding traffic to turn back onto the M7. Seriously if your trying to back up the argument of tolling this section of M7, you better get a good argument fast.

The M7 was designed to bypass these towns a toll is already at Portloaise you cannot expect to toll futher 30km up when this motorway was in place since the late 80s and another motorway at the M50.

It's you who is talking nonsense. That DC is only a 4km in lenght it still ends in Newbridge. The Newbridge to Kildare road is extremely narrow as the road entering Naas. There is currently alot of traffic using these roads already.

There is no toll alternative. we are talking about 60,000 vehicles a day. A toll here when there is a toll on the M50 and Portloaise, it just wont work.

To be quite frank I wouldn't pay for it.

MYOB wrote: »

Admittedly some of the "existing" N3 has been upgraded to WS2 (albeit buslane rather than H/S along its sides) on a new alignment to allow the N3 and is as a result a high quality road; but the R445 Nass-Newbridge DC is still of higher quality and capacity than this.

Those comparing tolls based on sheer number need to be reminded that the N3 tolls are going to be very low - about 1.50 each - compared to other tolls.

Also the toll avoidance traffic impact would be far minimal since there is less traffic, cheaper toll prices, better quality toll M3 motorway and smaller towns and with less local traffic.

The R445 just would not be able to carry a toll alternative of a much busier M7 motorway. The M3 is designed more efficiently with better junctions and better road links of the motorway like any toll motorway.

The M7 at Naas would need enormous amount of work.

• you'd need to widen the lanes, third access of the Naas bypass.
• significant Upgrade the Curragh and Naas ball flyover to {facilitate the toll alternative off the M7. the Curragh roundabout and Naas ball flyover area already at capacity.
• The south west Naas bypass SB exits slip would have to be upgraded
• upgrade the Curragh roundabout and widen the bridge
• a bypass of Kilcullen since M9 toll,will mean kilculln would be clogged
• a bypass of Newbridge also
• a bypass of Naas. the toll traffic cannot use the main street.
• The north ring of naas will not be suffient either, as the road services sallins and northern fringes of the town
• You would have to spend a fortune building new signs on the toll alternative route, since Kildare, Newbridge and Naas R445 is daggered and snaking all over the place.

Seriously tolling this would be a disaster.

ardmacha wrote: »

Has anyone noticed that there is a lack of money around and that the government is spending a third more than it has by way of income.
How exactly is it cost beneficial to knock the old bridges?

Thank the elite and bankers that make the money, that make this recession.

Becauser the old naas bypass bridges are old and the barriers on the verges have to be replaced the embankments need ot be tidied also, the old bridges need to be serviced. If the upgrade goes ahead they will need to be assesesed.

If they are going to widen the road here and spend all this money. they may well not do this and just build a wide modern 3 lane bridge adjacent to it, rather than spending millions retouching really old bridges that will still not fit 3 lanes down it. This short sightness in this country has got to stop. It's driving me bananas. It's the reason we runn out of money in the first place. We never EVER get things built right the first time.

These bridges are not wide enough so I don't see the pont in spending more money repairing inadequate bridges. There is only 4 I think anyhow. The rest of the bridges further down are ok.