Paul Williams

RaverRo808 · 18-03-2009 12:58PM #1

Another broadsie brought him up in the 'Celebs you love to hate thread' and I thought this bloke deserves a thread of his own....................what is your opinion of him?,personally I think he is a gickball of the highest order,who prints fairytales with no substance,or dresses up incidents to make things look a million times worse then they really are,in turn making gangland more of a tinderbox then it already is.............................................he also stereotypes alot of places especially in Dublin,makes them look like warzones when in fact they are pretty average and pleasant places to live,like my own hometown Cabra,in his book he states 'Cabra was an area built in the 1950s to house those who lived in the tenements of the inner city,an area rife with drug abuse and unemployment,and devoid of a sense of community' basically calling it a sh*thole,when this couldnt be further from the truth...............................................Cabra is a very vibrant place to live,an amazing sense of community that is hard to find anywhere else,very quiet and settled and right on towns doorstep which is handy,but that Williams a*sehole makes it out to be something out of Mad Max,yeah it has its problems which are few but where doesnt.........................................also his unflinching lick a*sing of the gaurds,he is the best PR they have in a sceptical society,and his accumilation of his info is hilarilous,its always 'a source close to the hood says','a close assosiate says','one local detective says',all unnamed made up crap...................................Is there any one out there that believes his drivel? or has any regard for him?

Kiera · 18-03-2009 01:01PM

I read his books when i was younger but he just bores me now. Its the same shít over and over with him.

Quazzie · 18-03-2009 01:02PM

maybe he is secretly buying up land in the "affected areas" before announcing its all a lie and selling for profit.

Biggins · 18-03-2009 01:02PM

Like him or not, he puts his life on the line.
- And in case anyone thinks that is easy, just remember those that wouldn't even say they would march in protest at the Northern killings for fear of being picked on!
Then put that fear into context with this man that knows more probably about crime criminals than the Gardi sometimes and many, many want to see dead.
A person like any good crime journalist (and family), lives with by the hour but carries on doing the job many would be afraid to do.

Like him or hate him - he's keeping the pressure on the scum of Ireland and letting them know always that for their misdeeds - if he and his like (journalists) can help it - they will be exposed for the scum they are.

I might not like the man - but I admire his consistency in the face of thugs and threats.

18-03-2009 01:03PM

I've no idea what you just wrote.

Latchy · 18-03-2009 01:05PM

With the mount of dissing he has done on Dublin and indivduals over the years, He must live life on the edge a bit if not more .I have read some of his books but dont know enough about him to be able to form an objective opinion .Holding two phones to ears on that ' McEntyre does Dublin ' programme made him look a bit of a dick .

Zadkiel · 18-03-2009 01:07PM

RaverRo808 wrote: »

Another broadsie brought him up in the 'Celebs you love to hate thread' and I thought this bloke deserves a thread of his own....................what is your opinion of him?,personally I think he is a gickball of the highest order,who prints fairytales with no substance,or dresses up incidents to make things look a million times worse then they really are,in turn making gangland more of a tinderbox then it already is.............................................he also stereotypes alot of places especially in Dublin,makes them look like warzones when in fact they are pretty average and pleasant places to live,like my own hometown Cabra,in his book he states 'Cabra was an area built in the 1950s to house those who lived in the tenements of the inner city,an area rife with drug abuse and unemployment,and devoid of a sense of community' basically calling it a sh*thole,when this couldnt be further from the truth...............................................Cabra is a very vibrant place to live,an amazing sense of community that is hard to find anywhere else,very quiet and settled and right on towns doorstep which is handy,but that Williams a*sehole makes it out to be something out of Mad Max.........................................also his unflinching lick a*sing of the gaurds,he is the best PR they have in a spectical society,and his accumilation of his info is hilarilous,its always 'a source close to the hood says','a close assosiate says','one local detective says',all unnamed made up crap...................................Is there any one out there that believes his drivel? or has any regard for him?

Have to agree there mate as you've said before Cabra can be a little Clanish but the atmosphere is a hell of a lot better than other parts of Dublin. ( except the Oasis that place should be razed to the ground :P)
He does tend to stereotype certain parts of the country and their peoples.
But I wouldn't say all of his stuff is unfounded. Just exaggerated.

Red Hand · 18-03-2009 01:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I've no idea what you just wrote.

He said that life in the projects isn't as bad as Paul Williams suggests it to be.

Degsy · 18-03-2009 01:07PM

He's a dirtbag.
That other romancing tosser Donal McIntyre interviewed him on World Toughest Towns a while back and to listen to him talk you'd think that fatal carbombings are a daily and regular occurence in Dublin.
That and unprovoked Stanley knife attacks on foreigners.

Rowley Birkin QC · 18-03-2009 01:09PM

What's a spectical society??

j0605 · 18-03-2009 01:15PM

RaverRo808 wrote: »

Another broadsie brought him up in the 'Celebs you love to hate thread' and I thought this bloke deserves a thread of his own....................what is your opinion of him?,personally I think he is a gickball of the highest order,who prints fairytales with no substance,or dresses up incidents to make things look a million times worse then they really are,in turn making gangland more of a tinderbox then it already is.............................................he also stereotypes alot of places especially in Dublin,makes them look like warzones when in fact they are pretty average and pleasant places to live,like my own hometown Cabra,in his book he states 'Cabra was an area built in the 1950s to house those who lived in the tenements of the inner city,an area rife with drug abuse and unemployment,and devoid of a sense of community' basically calling it a sh*thole,when this couldnt be further from the truth...............................................Cabra is a very vibrant place to live,an amazing sense of community that is hard to find anywhere else,very quiet and settled and right on towns doorstep which is handy,but that Williams a*sehole makes it out to be something out of Mad Max.........................................also his unflinching lick a*sing of the gaurds,he is the best PR they have in a spectical society,and his accumilation of his info is hilarilous,its always 'a source close to the hood says','a close assosiate says','one local detective says',all unnamed made up crap...................................Is there any one out there that believes his drivel? or has any regard for him?

I dont really have an opinion on him as in I dont like him or hate him. but want to say its not just Dublin, he gives Limerick a good bashing too but with alot of it being true or near truth anyway.
I read his first book and found it interesting enough but being from the heard of Limerick city I'd have kinda heard it all before, more or less.

stovelid · 18-03-2009 01:25PM

I saw an episode of his programme, if he's the guy I'm thinking of. If they had edited out all the moody shots of him looking hard - skulking along canal banks and alley ways - they'd have had hardly any programme left to air.

A twat, basically.

CreepingDeath · 18-03-2009 01:26PM

RaverRo808 wrote: »

Is there any one out there that believes his drivel? or has any regard for him?

Yes. I read a few of his books, Gangland and the history of the CAB.
Very interesting and informative stuff.

You're just over-reacting to his comments on your area.
What's your definition of a community ?
I imagine his angle was people who stood together against drugs, action groups, less fear of thugs and helping the guards to clean up their area.

Latchy · 18-03-2009 01:27PM

stovelid wrote: »

I saw an episode of his programme, if he's the guy I'm thinking of. If they had edited out all the moody shots of him looking hard - skulking along canal banks and alley ways - they'd have had hardly any programme left to air.

A twat, basically.

Sounds like a discription of McEntyre ,not Wiliams

But there was more shots of McEntyre sulking and repeating the same dialogue over and over after each add break on his programme .

Dyr · 18-03-2009 01:32PM

Biggins wrote: »

Like him or not, he puts his life on the line.

How many attempts have been made on his life now? None? Brave guy alright.

CreepingDeath · 18-03-2009 01:35PM

Bambi wrote: »

How many attempts have been made on his life now? None? Brave guy alright.

You think crime reporting is safe ?

Tell that to Veronica Guerin.

stovelid · 18-03-2009 01:36PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

You think crime reporting is safe ?

Tell that to Veronica Guerin.

The moral of the story would seem to be: coin stupid names for criminals and you don't get shot.

Personally, I'd like him to seem him start coming up with more surreal names for criminals like 'The Bison', 'The Parakeet' or 'The Electric Strangeness Man'.

Zadkiel · 18-03-2009 01:37PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

What's your definition of a community ?
I imagine his angle was people who stood together against drugs, action groups, less fear of thugs and helping the guards to clean up their area.

The people of Cabra did do that. Years ago, apparently they still don't warrant his respect

Latchy · 18-03-2009 01:38PM

Or a good ol fashioned name like ' Anto '

Vegeta · 18-03-2009 01:43PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

You think crime reporting is safe ?

Tell that to Veronica Guerin.

Her death probably made it a very safe profession

Nodin · 18-03-2009 01:45PM

stovelid wrote: »

I saw an episode of his programme, if he's the guy I'm thinking of. If they had edited out all the moody shots of him looking hard - skulking along canal banks and alley ways - they'd have had hardly any programme left to air.

A twat, basically.

Yep. Fear mongering, self-promoting tabloid wankstain.

CreepingDeath · 18-03-2009 01:46PM

Zadkiel wrote: »

The people of Cabra did do that. Years ago, apparently they still don't warrant his respect

Did he call any of ye scumbags ? Apparently not.

He told the facts, Cabra does have a drug problem and high unemployment. He's been talking to drug counsellors and guards on the front line of it.

What did you want him to do ?
Have a little footnote at the end of the page saying "* ah but they're the salt of the earth" ?

Dyr · 18-03-2009 01:49PM

Apart from being a journalist, He's a useless f**ing wanker, if his "sources" told him that dublins criminal underworld was run by fu manchu he'd print it and people would lap it up.

RaverRo808 · 18-03-2009 01:56PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Yes. I read a few of his books, Gangland and the history of the CAB.
Very interesting and informative stuff.

You're just over-reacting to his comments on your area.
What's your definition of a community ?
I imagine his angle was people who stood together against drugs, action groups, less fear of thugs and helping the guards to clean up their area.

I disliked him well before he said anything about my area,he has also has a hard on for Finglas,Clondalkin,Tallaght,Crumlin,Drimnagh,Blanchardstown and parts of Limerick,my definition of a community would be people who adknowledge their neighbours who live next to them and help make the area in which they live a better place

walshb · 18-03-2009 01:59PM

Paul is just another dude making a killing, pardon the pun, from crime!

CreepingDeath · 18-03-2009 02:03PM

RaverRo808 wrote: »

my definition of a community would be people who adknowledge their neighbours who live next to them and help make the area in which they live a better place

That's not a community, that's just being neighbourly to people immediately beside you.

A good community has plenty of pro-active groups to support the locals, I don't know... communal creches / groups for mothers, fas courses, night courses, activities for the young, sports facilities, strong neighbourhood watch schemes, prominent locals speaking out against issues, closer ties with the guards on anti-social issues, clean-up days around the area, good local politians etc.... Not just saying "hi" to people as you walk out your door for work.

Mr.Lizard · 18-03-2009 02:03PM

RaverRo808 wrote: »

Another broadsie brought him up in the 'Celebs you love to hate thread' and I thought this bloke deserves a thread of his own....................what is your opinion of him?,personally I think he is a gickball of the highest order,who prints fairytales with no substance,or dresses up incidents to make things look a million times worse then they really are,in turn making gangland more of a tinderbox then it already is.............................................he also stereotypes alot of places especially in Dublin,makes them look like warzones when in fact they are pretty average and pleasant places to live,like my own hometown Cabra,in his book he states 'Cabra was an area built in the 1950s to house those who lived in the tenements of the inner city,an area rife with drug abuse and unemployment,and devoid of a sense of community' basically calling it a sh*thole,when this couldnt be further from the truth...............................................Cabra is a very vibrant place to live,an amazing sense of community that is hard to find anywhere else,very quiet and settled and right on towns doorstep which is handy,but that Williams a*sehole makes it out to be something out of Mad Max,yeah it has its problems which are few but where doesnt.........................................also his unflinching lick a*sing of the gaurds,he is the best PR they have in a sceptical society,and his accumilation of his info is hilarilous,its always 'a source close to the hood says','a close assosiate says','one local detective says',all unnamed made up crap...................................Is there any one out there that believes his drivel? or has any regard for him?

Did you deliberately write your post in that "any old sh1te will do just so long as it's down on the page" manner to emulate to the Sunday World format?

RaverRo808 · 18-03-2009 02:20PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Did he call any of ye scumbags ? Apparently not.

He told the facts, Cabra does have a drug problem and high unemployment. He's been talking to drug counsellors and guards on the front line of it.

What did you want him to do ?
Have a little footnote at the end of the page saying "* ah but they're the salt of the earth" ?

What are you sh*tting about,are you Paul Williams?,Cabra has no drug problem,and in the past the drug problem is had was miniscule,and in regards employment,Id say even now in these recession times,the majority of Cabra is employed in decent jobs,sure Cabra is one of the most sought after areas in Dublin for young professionals,due to its proximity to the City Centre,and its quiet nature,I suggest you take a stroll out of whatever fortifeid suburban compound you live and have a look at the real world,not the world you read about in Paul Williams books

RaverRo808 · 18-03-2009 02:25PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

That's not a community, that's just being neighbourly to people immediately beside you.

A good community has plenty of pro-active groups to support the locals, I don't know... communal creches / groups for mothers, fas courses, night courses, activities for the young, sports facilities, strong neighbourhood watch schemes, prominent locals speaking out against issues, closer ties with the guards on anti-social issues, clean-up days around the area, good local politians etc.... Not just saying "hi" to people as you walk out your door for work.

Cabra has all that and more,Finbars probably one of the best football and hurling teams in the country with a state of the art clubhouse,with state of the art facitilties,dozens of creches,a fas centre,numerous schools and night colleges,a strong polictical presence that isnt afraid to stand up to the powers that be,mainly Sinn Fein and the late Tony Gregory,anti-bin organisations,it is probably the most community orientated area in Dublin,ask anyone familar with the area

Biggins · 18-03-2009 02:38PM

Bambi wrote: »

How many attempts have been made on his life now? None? Brave guy alright.

Not from the want of trying!

Example: http://www.rte.ie/news/2003/1114/williamsp.html

humanji · 18-03-2009 02:44PM

Biggins wrote: »

Not from the want of trying!

Example: http://www.rte.ie/news/2003/1114/williamsp.html

Well thank god he puts his job ahead of the well-being of his family.

Paul Williams

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