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Engineering in TCD

  • 15-03-2009 01:00AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭


    I'm currently in 6th year and am somewhat undecided between doing engineering in TCD or UCD. Can anyone tell me about the quality of the Trinity engineering department.


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  • Subscribers Posts: 16,782 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    you should be worried about what branch of engineering you are interested in more than what college. Trinity don't have the variety that ucd has.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Civil dept is woeful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭mathew


    dermo1990 wrote: »
    I'm currently in 6th year and am somewhat undecided between doing engineering in TCD or UCD. Can anyone tell me about the quality of the Trinity engineering department.

    Do you have any idea what field you want to go in to??

    Then agian, I really wanted to do elec when I was in 6th year. Now, after a year and a half, I'm heart set on Mech and dont have much interest in elec at all.

    I believe the course is changing next year. Something to do with getting the professional accreditation after graduating, so make sure you look in to what both universities offer with regard to that.

    As was said, Civil departement isnt the most organised. But its still the majority choice, so it cant be too bad.

    Electronic and Mechanical departements are very well organised and very good.

    You also get the option of doing Computer Engineering which is in with the CS departement, or a mix of Elec and Computers.

    I did a week long summer thing in UCD and I was very impressed with their Engineering departement. Very well equiped and the staff I dealt with seemed really nice.

    Ultimatly chose Trinity for a few reasons:
    1. Two years of general (which may be changing next year as I said)
    2. Location of Trinity, even though UCD is closer to me, being in the city is really cool
    3. Atmosphere and size of the campus. Trinity all seemed closer together and more friendly than the sprawling UCD campus.
    4. I was more impressed with what I saw at the Trinity Open day compared to the UCD one.

    Over all, I think the quality of the degree balances out. As for the Engineering departement in Trinity, for the most part, Its well run and they provide a great course. Ive loved every minute. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭dermo1990


    Yea, I'm kinda swayed more toward electronic or computer eng. Had the same feeling about trinity. I didn't find the UCD open day that organised


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Then go to Trinity or Maynooth.


    Comp Eng isn't offered in UCD.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭CJTobin


    Although UCD offers computer science through either an arts route or a science route. You can take omnibus science, for instance, before specialising in computer science for your degree, or you can choose to specialise in computer science going in the door, meaning that you're guaranteed a place on the computer science degree course while others from omnibus science are competing for their place.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    CJTobin wrote: »
    Although UCD offers computer science through either an arts route or a science route. You can take omnibus science, for instance, before specialising in computer science for your degree, or you can choose to specialise in computer science going in the door, meaning that you're guaranteed a place on the computer science degree course while others from omnibus science are competing for their place.
    Computer Science != Computer Engineering


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭mathew


    Its not Computer Engineering tho.. You come out with a CS degree, not an Engineering degree.
    Theres a fair bit more you learn by going the engineering route. Especially in the general years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭Peleus


    ye, i was sorta in your position last year. I chose Trinity basically because i thought the college is alot better. UCD is literally up the road from me and would be really handy but the campus is way to big for my liking and I just thought Trinity looked nicer.

    Both the colleges are great and the courses in both are grand (UCD's engineering is better from what i've heard) but if i had to choose again I'd still choose Trinity. The course is interesting and fun, the facilities in Trinity are great, and it's in town.

    If I was in your position I'd just choose which ever college you'd prefer to go to. Worked out great for me! :D good luck in the leaving!


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Peleus wrote: »
    ye, i was sorta in your position last year. I chose Trinity basically because i thought the college is alot better. UCD is literally up the road from me and would be really handy but the campus is way to big for my liking and I just thought Trinity looked nicer.

    Both the colleges are great and the courses in both are grand (UCD's engineering is better from what i've heard) but if i had to choose again I'd still choose Trinity. The course is interesting and fun, the facilities in Trinity are great, and it's in town.

    If I was in your position I'd just choose which ever college you'd prefer to go to. Worked out great for me! :D good luck in the leaving!
    Yea but all depends on what you hope to do.

    What do you hope to do?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭Peleus


    jmccrohan wrote: »
    Yea but all depends on what you hope to do.

    What do you hope to do?

    I dunno, probably Civil. I like all types but Civil and structural is the only one I can see myself liking a job in. Why?


  • Subscribers Posts: 16,782 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    mathew wrote: »
    Its not Computer Engineering tho.. You come out with a CS degree, not an Engineering degree.
    Theres a fair bit more you learn by going the engineering route. Especially in the general years.

    'computer' engineering is not the way to go imo. Why limit your options so much? Electronic is basically the same thing with a little more general applications.

    'computer' eng rules you out of a lot of jobs and doesn't really help you get any that electronic wouldn't. Someone hiring a hardware designer will much prefer a electronic eng than a 'computer' eng imo.

    On the other hand if you are hell bent on an specific career around IT you would be better in CS anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 639 ✭✭✭devinejay


    I posted here last year with the same queries!

    I'm from Maynooth but I kept well clear because;
    a) It's very specific, electrical/electronic engineering and that's it
    b) the small town thing was getting to me and needed a change in scenery/pace.

    So I chose Trinity for basically the opposite of the above reasons;
    a) Two years of general engineering, it has it's draw backs but you'd better put up with them until you find something you really like!
    b)Trinity is a great campus with a nice feel to it and it's right in the center of town. Also the train is really handy for me.

    From what I remember from last year UCD probably does have a better engineering dept, but it just wasn't an option for me travel/accommodation wise. They're very interested in becoming compliant with the international qualification standards which is important to undergrads in a country in economic downturn! There was a course last year which was called Engineering Science which I think was in this vein improving the accreditation of graduates. It was a 3 year Bsc with a 2 years MEng stuck on at the end, it might be worth looking into although I'm not sure if it's as great as it first sounds (or did sound to me anyway) so be wary. I think they're even in the process of designing a one year post-grad course to bring us lowly BAI accredited engineers up to speed with the europeans with their 5 years courses so you never know, I might see you there in a few years!

    Good luck making your decision anyway!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭TheAmateur


    mathew wrote: »
    You come out with a CS degree, not an Engineering degree.
    That's interesting. What if you do computer and electronic engineering?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    copacetic wrote: »
    'computer' engineering is not the way to go imo. Why limit your options so much? Electronic is basically the same thing with a little more general applications.

    'computer' eng rules you out of a lot of jobs and doesn't really help you get any that electronic wouldn't. Someone hiring a hardware designer will much prefer a electronic eng than a 'computer' eng imo.

    On the other hand if you are hell bent on an specific career around IT you would be better in CS anyway.

    JETLAG is kicking my ass but,

    'Computer engineering' could mean anything and you're simply wrong to make the kind of statements you're making without knowing what the course entails. You're talking about a hardware designer, but even within hardware design there are several levels, jobs where you sit around feckin' about with capacitors and resistors are long gone however jobs where you write Verilog or VHDL code and still very much present.


  • Posts: 17,735 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TheAmateur wrote: »
    That's interesting. What if you do computer and electronic engineering?

    I think he means by the content of the course; if you do engineering in Trinity you get a BA and a BAI. CS get a BA (Mod).


  • Subscribers Posts: 16,782 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    Boston wrote: »
    JETLAG is kicking my ass but,

    'Computer engineering' could mean anything and you're simply wrong to make the kind of statements you're making without knowing what the course entails. You're talking about a hardware designer, but even within hardware design there are several levels, jobs where you sit around feckin' about with capacitors and resistors are long gone however jobs where you write Verilog or VHDL code and still very much present.

    Why do you say I don't know what the course entails Boston? I know exactly what it entails. I gave my opinion having studied in both colleges and worked for many years in both the jobs you describe.

    Hardware engineering isn't 'long gone' although it's not a massive market in Ireland and Firmware engineers are of course in demand in some areas also (writing verilog or vhdl is very seldom described as a HW engineer postion, unless you are also designing the boards). However for either one when people advertise they are expecting electronic engineers to apply.

    If you disagree why not say why instead of implying I don't know what I am talking about when you appear to only have a very tenous understanding of whats involved in the job.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    What Job, you're talking about a course. Electronic engineers call someone whose down at the RTL a hardware designer. Computer engineers call someone at that level a circuit/IC/ Analog IC/ design designer and refer to anyone using LSTs as a hardware designer. You're using so many terms as if they have hard and fast meanings set in stone, which is deeply confusing.

    Additionally, a computer engineering student in trinity could (depending on the options) have nearly the exact same qualification as an electronic engineer. In fact the only subjects they wouldn't do would be advanced theoretical which would make no difference to a persons ability to get an industry job. Telling someone to do Elec over comp makes little sense.

    Finally, the last reason I though and still think you're not right is that the IC / hardware design courses have been dropped due to low demand for graduates with these skills. Students now only have the option to cover basic IC design in trinity and all C/CD/D stream students do it. In fact the course venturing in FPGA design in a computer engineering course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭mathew


    just stumbled upon this.. nice little breakdown..

    http://compsci.ca/blog/6-degrees-of-computer-science/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭timmywex


    Whats the BA that engineering students get?!

    Or am i reading it wrong in that engineering students get a BA and a Beng(BAI)?!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭TheAmateur


    timmywex wrote: »
    Whats the BA that engineering students get?!

    Or am i reading it wrong in that engineering students get a BA and a Beng(BAI)?!
    I think that's the maths one. We get a level 7 maths one too afaik.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    Beng? I think only DCU give out those.
    BA is for maths. afaik.


  • Posts: 17,735 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The BA is just an ordinary BA. No mention of maths anywhere on my degree. And BAI is translated from latin as Bachelor of Arts in Engineering. So as boston said it's not a BEng.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭mathew


    You can 'upgrade' it to an MA after a certain number of years woking IIRC, theres a small fee i believe..


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    mathew wrote: »
    You can 'upgrade' it to an MAI after a certain number of years woking IIRC, theres a small fee i believe..
    fyp.

    http://www.tcd.ie/Graduate_Studies/prospectivestudents/courses/taught/coursepg.php?course_id=127


  • Posts: 17,735 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MA upgrade is separate to the MAI upgrade, but you can do both.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭mathew


    Dónal wrote: »
    MA upgrade is separate to the MAI upgrade, but you can do both.

    is there something about having to do it before any other postgrad to get it for free (apart from whatever that admin fee is) ?


  • Posts: 17,735 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The MA? You 'apparently' have to work for 3 years I think in that field before you are eligible for it, but if you were to get it and then apply for a postgrad you wouldn't be eligible for financial support (grants, tax relief on fees) on a real Masters.

    'Apparently' is because I suspect that if you worked in a completely unrelated job after graduating they'd still give it to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭AnneElizabeth


    Hi, I know this thread is like a year and a half old, but I have some questions on Computer Engineering and was hoping someone could help me out:

    I'm in 6th year and am interested in computers. I've been thinking for awhile that I'll do the Computer Science degree, but then I thought employers would think it's better to have a "Computer Engineering" degree as opposed to "Computer Science". Engineer just sounds better, more intelligent and more prestigious. Also, I know I shouldn't take points into account but the Computer Science degree is only around 350 points and I'm hoping to get over 500 and I feel it's a bit of a waste.

    My only problems with the Engineering degree are:
    - I was reading on the Trinity website that it's changed to 5 years now to get an Engineering Degree? Is that for all aspects of Engineering or just some of them? If so it would mean an extra year compared to CS. And then if I wanted a Master's.. How long would it take?
    - I don't do Physics or Applied Maths so I'm afraid I wouldn't be able for general engineering.
    - I do Technology and find Electronics a bit hard to understand as well.
    - I'm worried I wouldn't be taught as much detail in Computer Engineering because there's less time to cover it compared to CS.


    Sorry for the long post :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭tabouli


    The points for CS are the way they are because the last person who got in got around 350. AFAIK the course has around 60 places but rarely fills up... so technically if you get your C3 in honours Maths you'll probably get in. That's why the points are so low, not because it's an easy course or the people doing it aren't particularly smart (quite the opposite!). Pick something you think you'll like, and if you're interested in computers straight off then I think the two years of civil/mech etc might be boring or irrelevant to you. Don't make your decision based on whether or not your points will go to 'waste'.


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