Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

eagle eye · 26-02-2009 09:36AM

shotamoose wrote: »

It goes without saying that Dunphy just says these things to shock and provoke, but it annoys me that the pundits don't seem to have noticed what I think is a more attractive style from Liverpool this season. At times (okay, not last night) the football has been really good, the Newcastle game being a good example.

Liverpool are dire to watch most of the time in fairness. Don't even attempt to say they have been more attractive to watch this season. Every team will look good on certain days but in fairness Liverpool have less days where they look good than any other team in the League.

They got a win while playing badly last night, typical Liverpool under Rafa though, as they regularly beat the big teams.

As I've said for a long time, when Rafa learns how to beat defensive teams Liverpool will go very close to winning a PL title. I don't know if its players he needs, or just to go for it more, but he needs to change something in them games.

podge018 · 26-02-2009 09:46AM

Liverpool didnt play badly last night. Not playing nice football does not equal playing badly. They played very well, shackled Madrid and scored a fine goal.

careca · 26-02-2009 09:52AM

First paragraph from the Indo today. Sums it up for me. Great club.

OUT of the darkness, light. Liverpool, robbed by injury of their captain, rocked by a day of insidious rumour surrounding Rafa Benitez's future, their Premier League challenge in pieces at their feet, last night beat Real Madrid in the Bernabeu.

On such nights are reputations forged.

Malice · 26-02-2009 09:59AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Liverpool have less days where they look good than any other team in the League.

Do you honestly believe that the likes of Stoke, Bolton and Blackburn have more days when they look better than Liverpool?

eagle eye wrote:

They got a win while playing badly last night, typical Liverpool under Rafa

Interesting how beating the Spanish league champions in their own back yard is dismissed as "typical Liverpool".

I suppose Liverpool played badly against Chelsea, Arsenal, PSV, Leverkusen, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Juventus and Barcelona too?

I remember when Liverpool faced teams like PSG, Auxerre and Brondby and came up short. Now they beat one of the biggest teams in the world and it's greeted with an ambivalent "meh".

Cyrus · 26-02-2009 10:01AM

dunphy is gone beyond annoying and is now just hilarious, i actually enjoy his crazy rants

of course when united are on, ronaldo is a petulant brat etc, yet when liverpool play they are the greatest team to ever grace a pitch

very funny when he started listing the real players, no good, a cheat etc etc

eagle eye · 26-02-2009 10:12AM

malice_ wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that the likes of Stoke, Bolton and Blackburn have more days when they look better than Liverpool?

Interesting how beating the Spanish league champions in their own back yard is dismissed as "typical Liverpool".

I suppose Liverpool played badly against Chelsea, Arsenal, PSV, Leverkusen, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Juventus and Barcelona too?

I remember when Liverpool faced teams like PSG, Auxerre and Brondby and came up short. Now they beat one of the biggest teams in the world and it's greeted with an ambivalent "meh".

I love the way you take out two little comments I made and try and make it look like I said something I didn't say.

Lets clear it up for you again.

I said Liverpool look dire most of the time. I never said that looking dire makes it bad football.

Last night they were good defensively but overall the team performance was not great, poor actually. They still got the win, thats typical Liverpool under Rafa against big teams, they get results.
You then mention other teams using a quote of mine but you leave out the highlighted piece below which is part of the same sentence. why???

They got a win while playing badly last night, typical Liverpool under Rafa though, as they regularly beat the big teams.

The typical Liverpool under Rafa was really more about the end of my sentence than the beginning.

Now go and get a life and stop trying your makey up arguments, where others read your quote and think thats what I said.

Cyrus · 26-02-2009 10:14AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Last night they were good defensively but overall the team performance was not great, poor actually. They still got the won, thats typical Liverpool under Rafa against big teams, they get results.
You then mention other teams using a quote of mine but you leave out the highlighted piece below which is part of the same sentence. why???

how can a team continually get good wins against the cream of europe by playing poorly. that just do not make sense

they have a system that may not be easy on the eye at times but obviously the team are effecting it excellently

eagle eye · 26-02-2009 10:16AM

Cyrus wrote: »

how can a team continually get good wins against the cream of europe by playing poorly. that just do not make sense

they have a system that may not be easy on the eye at times but obviously the team are effecting it excellently

Right, I'm getting fed up with this.

I did not say that they played poorly in every game. I said they played poorly last night and got a result.
I said its typical Liverpool under Rafa to beat the better teams in Europe.

I said they are dire to watch, that is in no way saying that their football is bad, its just not pretty.

Do you understand now?

Malice · 26-02-2009 10:19AM

eagle eye wrote: »

I love the way you take out two little comments I made and try and make it look like I said something I didn't say.

Either I quoted you or I didn't. Are you saying that you didn't write out what I quoted?

eagle eye wrote:

You then mention other teams using a quote of mine but you leave out the highlighted piece below which is part of the same sentence. why???

I left it out because I didn't feel it was relevant. Again my point was that Liverpool have just beaten the Spanish league champions and one of the biggest clubs in the world in their own back yard and you dismissed it as if it wasn't worthy of praise.

eagle eye wrote:

Now go and get a life

Less of the abuse please.

therecklessone · 26-02-2009 10:28AM

You two play nice, or play elsewhere.

Killme00 · 26-02-2009 10:30AM

malice_ wrote: »

Either I quoted you or I didn't. Are you saying that you didn't write out what I quoted?
I left it out because I didn't feel it was relevant. Again my point was that Liverpool have just beaten the Spanish league champions and one of the biggest clubs in the world in their own back yard and you dismissed it as if it wasn't worthy of praise.

Less of the abuse please.

By chopping what you wanted you effectively took the quote of context. You know this.

I dont think Liverpools performance is worthy of praise either. If Liverpool had drawn or lost on the same performance, the fickle ones like yourself would be jumping up and down.

Liverpool are undoubtedly brilliant against the big teams because they have a formula which works and they stick to it. Anyone who expects anything different is a moran.

Boggles · 26-02-2009 10:30AM

malice_ wrote: »

I left it out because I didn't feel it was relevant. Again my point was that Liverpool have just beaten the Spanish league champions and one of the biggest clubs in the world in their own back yard and you dismissed it as if it wasn't worthy of praise.

To be honest, beating Real Madrid is no reflection of how well a club will do in the rest of the competition, not belittling Liverpools result, but I would have been shocked if they hadn't got at least the draw last night.

Liverpool showed a masterclass in 100% concentration for 100% of the game, I can't see Madrid keeping a clean sheet in a fortnight, can I see them scoring 2 goals? I don't know, I think a radical change of tactics and personal (if possible) is needed, Hull and Wigan have both managed 2 each at Anfield this season, then again I think those 2 clubs have more heart and fight in their tea ladys than the whole of the "mighty" Real.

Fantastic result for Liverpool, not a surprising one thou.

NabyLadistheman · 26-02-2009 10:30AM

I thought Ronnie Whelan's comments were a disgrace last night. When put on the spot he says he rarely goes to Anfield anymore because Liverpool are awful to watch etc. etc. He was in a Dunphy & Giles sandwich and couldn't bear to go against them.

Correct me if Im wrong but does Whelan not be in attendance at Liverpool legends nights? Organisers would want to have a look at his performance last night.

What makes this worse is that when he's talkin and not with RTE he has a completly different tune to sing

We all know Dunphy is pure & utter sensationlist. It was all Chelsea & Deco earliar in the season, it's all United & Barca now. If either goes out Id love to hear what he has to say.

I know what I'll be saying if I meet Ronnie Whelan

PiE · 26-02-2009 10:44AM

So yea, the easy-peasy task of beating Madrid in the Bernabeu is out of the way but now we need to focus on the big game... Middlesbrough.

Whatever about beating Utd at OT - if we don't beat both Middlesbrough and Sunderland, the Utd game will be inconsequential.

Malice · 26-02-2009 10:45AM

Killme00 wrote: »

By chopping what you wanted you effectively took the quote of context. You know this.

Sorry, do you mean I took the quote out of context? If so, which quote? Also, please don't presume to tell me what I know.

Killme00 wrote:

I dont think Liverpools performance is worthy of praise either. If Liverpool had drawn or lost on the same performance, the fickle ones like yourself would be jumping up and down.

Fair enough you don't think it's worthy of praise. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Why do you think I'm fickle? To the best of my knowledge I don't think I've ever interacted with you on this forum.

Boggles wrote: »

To be honest, beating Real Madrid is no reflection of how well a club will do in the rest of the competition,

That's very true but I don't think there are many Liverpool fans going around saying that we'll win the competition. If there are then they are either knee-jerk merchants who'll want Rafa sacked again if we fail to beat Boro on Saturday or people who are having a laugh

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Killme00 · 26-02-2009 10:48AM

torresistheman wrote: »

I thought Ronnie Whelan's comments were a disgrace last night. When put on the spot he says he rarely goes to Anfield anymore because Liverpool are awful to watch etc. etc. He was in a Dunphy & Giles sandwich and couldn't bear to go against them.

Correct me if Im wrong but does Whelan not be in attendance at Liverpool legends nights? Organisers would want to have a look at his performance last night.

What makes this worse is that when he's talkin and not with RTE he has a completly different tune to sing

We all know Dunphy is pure & utter sensationlist. It was all Chelsea & Deco earliar in the season, it's all United & Barca now. If either goes out Id love to hear what he has to say.

I know what I'll be saying if I meet Ronnie Whelan

He was being honest, football when played like last night are aweful to watch

Killme00 · 26-02-2009 10:50AM

malice_ wrote: »

Sorry, do you mean I took the quote out of context?

anal much?

whatawaster · 26-02-2009 10:51AM

eagle eye wrote: »

but in fairness Liverpool have less days where they look good than any other team in the League.

give me a break, this is just wrong wrong wrong. I mean, Spurs are in the premier league as well you know.
Liverpool are just judged by higher standard, but they look a hell of a lot better than at least 16 teams in the league on a regular basis

whatawaster · 26-02-2009 10:52AM

Killme00 wrote: »

He was being honest, football when played like last night are aweful to watch

but Whelan and the lads said we'd play the same at home to Stoke, which is just a lie.

Mitch Connor · 26-02-2009 11:00AM

whatawaster wrote: »

but Whelan and the lads said we'd play the same at home to Stoke, which is just a lie.

wasn't it stoke at home, or a similar team where liverpool played 1 up front and two defensive midfielders?

Handsome Bob · 26-02-2009 11:00AM

Did I hear right this morning? Coming to university this morning and someone said on the radio that the reason betting was suspended on Rafa leaving is because of something Mark Lawrenson (him and his close sources again) had said the night before. So these rumours were originated from Lawrenson. Jesus christ.

Boggles · 26-02-2009 11:01AM

LZ5by5 wrote: »

So these rumours were originated from Lawrenson. Jesus christ.

He was spot on about Keane in fairness.

Cyrus · 26-02-2009 11:01AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Right, I'm getting fed up with this.

I did not say that they played poorly in every game. I said they played poorly last night and got a result.
I said its typical Liverpool under Rafa to beat the better teams in Europe.

I said they are dire to watch, that is in no way saying that their football is bad, its just not pretty.

Do you understand now?

eloquent and all as your posts are i can just about understand them,

again you are tripping over yourself in contradictions,

they didnt play poorly last night, they executed their game plan perfectly and beat another so called european super power at home with the minimum of fuss, they have done it many times over the past few years.

Cyrus · 26-02-2009 11:02AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

wasn't it stoke at home, or a similar team where liverpool played 1 up front and two defensive midfielders?

you'll find thats the formation liverpool pay 95% of the time

united play something similar

_blank_ · 26-02-2009 11:03AM

Boggles wrote: »

He was spot on about Keane in fairness.

Doesn't matter, because it didn't happen an hour after he said it, it is dismissed as rubbish.

Fact is, that the last time Lawrenson called a big rumour he was a hundred percent spot on.

Which lends him an air of credibility on this one too, in my opinion.

Maybe Rafa did say something along the lines of "I'm quitting" last week, and it filtered back to Lawro.

I said it earlier in the week, and I'll say it again now.

Rafa will not be the Liverpool manager next season.

And another thing.

There was no way, no way on earth that Rafa was going to come out and say "Yeah, I have thought about quitting alright, and I reckon I'll be gone to Madrid in the summer" the night his team beat Madrid in Madrid.

whatawaster · 26-02-2009 11:05AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

wasn't it stoke at home, or a similar team where liverpool played 1 up front and two defensive midfielders?

It was Stoke at home where we missed about 10 or 15 good chances and were all over them. I don't care how many defensive midfielders we played or how few strikers. They're becoming the new zonal-marking, rotation etc, something new to have a go at Liverpool for.
2 sitting midfielders is actually quite commonplace in football, and it's not as if either Mascherano or Alonso just sit in front of the back four like Makelele. Even last night that wasn't the case.

rosboy · 26-02-2009 11:09AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

wasn't it stoke at home, or a similar team where liverpool played 1 up front and two defensive midfielders?

Wrong. Liverpool don't play with two defensive midfielders.

They play a 4-2-3-1 usually. Reporters and pundits see the "2" in the formation, and lazily say that we play with two DMs.

We actually play with 1 defensive midfielder, and with one deep lying playmaker (Alonso) or box-to-box midfielder (Lucas). I suggest people read up on the difference here.

Mitch Connor · 26-02-2009 11:09AM

Cyrus wrote: »

you'll find thats the formation liverpool pay 95% of the time

united play something similar

No, we don't. We play, generally, with two out of Berbatov, Rooney and Tevez up front. In midfield, we only have one midfielder that could be described as a holding player - Carrick, even then if Alonso is not considered a holding midfielder, then neither should Carrick be. When Scholes or Giggs are fit and selected they don't play as a holding midfielder. Fletcher could possible be descibed as one, but I wouldn't. Then we also, generally, play with two wingers and two attacking fullbacks.

spockety · 26-02-2009 11:10AM

Maybe my post will get lost here if I don't spit blood, but MARK LAWRENSON NEVER SAID THAT HIS UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT BENITEZ HAD WALKED.

MARK LAWRENSON SAID THAT HE GOT A PHONE CALL ASKING 'HAVE YOU HEARD THAT BENITEZ WALKED?', MARK LAWRENSON SAID THAT HE HAD NOT HEARD THAT AND THAT HE GUESSED IT WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE RUMOURS THAT CAME FROM RUMOUR MONGERING..

So, just to say again in case anyone missed it, MARK LAWRENSON DID NOT SAY THAT HE RECKONED BENITEZ WAS ON HIS WAY OUT OF LIVERPOOL.

Did everyone get that?

If you didn't, listen to this file, from about 20 minutes in.

http://www.radioireland.ie/lastword/2422009-18.wmv

eagle eye · 26-02-2009 11:16AM

Cyrus wrote: »

eloquent and all as your posts are i can just about understand them,

again you are tripping over yourself in contradictions,

they didnt play poorly last night, they executed their game plan perfectly and beat another so called european super power at home with the minimum of fuss, they have done it many times over the past few years.

Well you say they didn't play poorly last night, I say they played poorly.

How did you rate the performances of Riera, Torres and Kuyt. I'd say very poor for two of them and below average for Kuyt. Now if you have your three main attacking threats not doing it, its really not a complete performance. Clearly Liverpool did a great defensive job but it stopped there ergo a poor performance imo.

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