Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

Iang87 · 23-02-2009 12:37PM

alright whatever ye can call it progress i dont its pointless beating united and chelsea if you dont follow it up which we didnt either way whatever ye can call it whatever but we've another trophyless may to look forward to. feel free to quote me in May

Handsome Bob · 23-02-2009 12:39PM

Melion wrote: »

We've played 26 games, we've won 15. Stop digging, i can't see the top of your head anymore.

It's a fair point and you know it. Putting aside the fact that we are better off now than we were last season, it's also a fair fact that we've blown a number of very winnable games this season. West Ham, Stoke, Fulham, Hull and now Man City are just some of the teams we should have put to the sword. There are no excuses for that. You're making a fair point, but so is he.

eagle eye · 23-02-2009 12:54PM

LZ5by5 wrote: »

It's a fair point and you know it. Putting aside the fact that we are better off now than we were last season, it's also a fair fact that we've blown a number of very winnable games this season. West Ham, Stoke, Fulham, Hull and now Man City are just some of the teams we should have put to the sword. There are no excuses for that. You're making a fair point, but so is he.

Agreed, while there has been a huge improvement in games vs the big four, Liverpool still have not improved against the weaker teams that are looking for the draw and put everybody behind the ball.

Handsome Bob · 23-02-2009 12:59PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Agreed, while there has been a huge improvement in games vs the big four, Liverpool still have not improved against the weaker teams that are looking for the draw and put everybody behind the ball.

This team has proved on a number of occasions that it is capable of oblierating teams when they throw caution to the wind. Sometimes you just have to relentlessly go for the jugular of a team that sits back. And it's not as if we are weakened when we do that because when we do do it(usually when we're losing) the opposition shrinks and can't get out of their own half.

This team has the balls but it's being neutered.:pac:

kida · 23-02-2009 01:03PM

LZ5by5 wrote: »

This team has proved on a number of occasions that it is capable of oblierating teams when they throw caution to the wind. Sometimes you just have to relentlessly go for the jugular of a team that sits back. And it's not as if we are weakened when we do that because when we do do it(usually when we're losing) the opposition shrinks and can't get out of their own half.

This team has the balls but it's being neutered.:pac:

But whos fault is that? 2 holding midfielders vs a team like city, I know there was very little option but its not like its the first time they have done that.

eagle eye · 23-02-2009 01:04PM

LZ5by5 wrote: »

This team has proved on a number of occasions that it is capable of oblierating teams when they throw caution to the wind. Sometimes you just have to relentlessly go for the jugular of a team that sits back. And it's not as if we are weakened when we do that because when we do do it(usually when we're losing) the opposition shrinks and can't get out of their own half.

This team has the balls but it's being neutered.:pac:

Thats what I've been saying all along, they always seem to score when they go behind, yet the system they use when its level after 60 minutes is flawed somewhere as its the reason there is such a gap in the league.

Edit, I believe now thats its the lack of game changing personnel to be fair.

whatawaster · 23-02-2009 01:11PM

kida wrote: »

But whos fault is that? 2 holding midfielders vs a team like city, I know there was very little option but its not like its the first time they have done that.

Two holding players are quite commonplace nowadays. An awful lot of teams, including most of the top teams in Europe, play 4231. Lucas popped up plenty of times in the box yesterday, and we 100% did not set out defensively yesterday. We played well in the first half and the last 15 minutes and should have scored at least one more.

I agree about the lack of game-changers on the bench though

ShooterSF · 23-02-2009 01:12PM

Melion wrote: »

10 draws = 10 points
3 wins, 7 losses = 9 points

What am i missing here?

Poor Melion corrects someones maths skills and gets abused. I even resorted to tanking your post even if you are a pool fan

I can only assume he deducted 7 points (the 7 losses) instead of 10 (7 draws that are now defeats and 3 draws that are now wins), plus 9 gives a false positive 2 when it should be -1.

Handsome Bob · 23-02-2009 01:12PM

kida wrote: »

But whos fault is that? 2 holding midfielders vs a team like city, I know there was very little option but its not like its the first time they have done that.

It's a system which can be effective but a system that requires the highest calibre of quality from our wingers. Dirk is great for the odd important goal but he's just not devastating on the right wing. I won't criticise Rafa for playing masch and Lucas, he had very little option.

eagle eye wrote: »

Thats what I've been saying all along, they always seem to score when they go behind, yet the system they use when its level after 60 minutes is flawed somewhere as its the reason there is such a gap in the league.

Edit, I believe now thats its the lack of game changing personnel to be fair.

I don't think that's the problem because I honestly believe that Riera, Yossi, Gerrard, Torres and Alonso all have it in them to turn a game on its' head.

L'prof · 23-02-2009 01:20PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

Poor Melion corrects someones maths skills and gets abused. I even resorted to tanking your post even if you are a pool fan

I can only assume he deducted 7 points (the 7 losses) instead of 10 (7 draws that are now defeats and 3 draws that are now wins), plus 9 gives a false positive 2 when it should be -1.

At the moment Liverpool have: 15 10 1 = 55
Iang87 said "if we'd drawn none and lost 7 we'd be better off." : 19 0 7 = 57

His Maths skills are perfectly fine, I just don't see the reasoning behind the point he was trying to make!

jesus_thats_gre · 23-02-2009 01:21PM

I see the the thread has reverted to the same old argument again anyway.

busted flush · 23-02-2009 01:37PM

Its pretty simple guys, Liverpool's problem is Rafa. If you could go back in time to just before he was appointed, and then were to be told how much money he would have available over the next 4/5 seasons, what would you expect him to achieve? Seriously, besides the champions league final(and if your honest, and i know most of ye are not ye will agree it was a second half made in heaven that got ye out of jail there!). Basically the man has misspend consistently and considering the vast amounts of money he has had at his disposal it is really a disgrace that Liverpool will once again will falter to deceive this season. However as an Evertonian i hope he stays forever!:D

whatawaster · 23-02-2009 01:43PM

busted flush wrote: »

Its pretty simple guys, Liverpool's problem is Rafa. If you could go back in time to just before he was appointed, and then were to be told how much money he would have available over the next 4/5 seasons, what would you expect him to achieve? Seriously, besides the champions league final(and if your honest, and i know most of ye are not ye will agree it was a second half made in heaven that got ye out of jail there!). Basically the man has misspend consistently and considering the vast amounts of money he has had at his disposal it is really a disgrace that Liverpool will once again will falter to deceive this season. However as an Evertonian i hope he stays forever!:D

Bold point number 1. I feel like a long playing record here, but here goes again. From a base squad that was far inferior to Uniteds and Chelseas, and with 4 years of spending a similar amount to Utd and far less than Chelsea, how on earth can we expect to be even as good as them, let alone overtake them.
We have closed the gap though, which i think is pretty good going.

Bold point number 2. Martin O'Neill's average spend per season is higher than Rafas. Will he be getting the stick Rafa is in 1 or 2 years time if Villa aren't the best team in the land? As i said in point 1 above, Rafa has spent a similar amount to Ferguson, and far less than Chelsea.

PiE · 23-02-2009 01:43PM

Should you not be worrying about Arteta and the fact you won't even get a UEFA Cup spot without him?

mike65 · 23-02-2009 01:46PM

Busted Flush you really do make boggles appear even more artful than he is.

Mr Alan · 23-02-2009 01:46PM

busted flush wrote: »

Its pretty simple guys, Liverpool's problem is Rafa. If you could go back in time to just before he was appointed, and then were to be told how much money he would have available over the next 4/5 seasons, what would you expect him to achieve? Seriously, besides the champions league final(and if your honest, and i know most of ye are not ye will agree it was a second half made in heaven that got ye out of jail there!). Basically the man has misspend consistently and considering the vast amounts of money he has had at his disposal it is really a disgrace that Liverpool will once again will falter to deceive this season. However as an Evertonian i hope he stays forever!:D

Rafa has won two major trophies in the last 4 years. Liverpool are beating their own personal best points tallies in the league & always improving. Also consistantly progressing to the very late stages of the CL.

busted flush · 23-02-2009 01:47PM

PiE wrote: »

Should you not be worrying about Arteta and the fact you won't even get a UEFA Cup spot without him?

I am and i dont think we will now!:(

L'prof · 23-02-2009 01:50PM

whatawaster wrote: »

Bold point number 2. Martin O'Neill's average spend per season is higher than Rafas. Will he be getting the stick Rafa is in 1 or 2 years time if Villa aren't the best team in the land? As i said in point 1 above, Rafa has spent a similar amount to Ferguson, and far less than Chelsea.

No it isn't! Rafa - £23.49m, O Neill - £22.08m!

Highsider · 23-02-2009 01:50PM

busted flush wrote: »

Its pretty simple guys, Liverpool's problem is Rafa. If you could go back in time to just before he was appointed, and then were to be told how much money he would have available over the next 4/5 seasons, what would you expect him to achieve? Seriously, besides the champions league final(and if your honest, and i know most of ye are not ye will agree it was a second half made in heaven that got ye out of jail there!). Basically the man has misspend consistently and considering the vast amounts of money he has had at his disposal it is really a disgrace that Liverpool will once again will falter to deceive this season. However as an Evertonian i hope he stays forever!:D

Ya mean the fact we are improving year on year means nothing and would be top of the league if it was'nt for the fact utd have an endless supply of money for transfers and bringing in 30m+ players every year. Yeah Rafa out :rolleyes:

Mr Alan · 23-02-2009 01:50PM

busted flush wrote: »

I am and i dont think we will now!:(

Moyes out?

:rolleyes:

Mr Alan · 23-02-2009 01:52PM

jasonorr wrote: »

No it isn't! Rafa - £23.49m, O Neill - £22.08m!

ok so there is **** all in it, yet we are considerably better than them

whatawaster · 23-02-2009 01:52PM

jasonorr wrote: »

No it isn't! Rafa - £23.49m, O Neill - £22.08m!

you have a questionable source, and/or are not discounting Robbie Keane's sale. Our Net spend this season is something in the region of 5-7 million.

Boggles · 23-02-2009 01:55PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Moyes out?

:rolleyes:

Wonder will he be approached in the summer to cross over to the red side.

L'prof · 23-02-2009 01:56PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

ok so there is **** all in it, yet are are considerably better than them

Not much in it now, we'll give O Neill time to see what else he can do!

whatawaster wrote: »

you have a questionable source, and/or are not discounting Robbie Keane's sale. Our Net spend this season is something in the region of 5-7 million.

Net spend this year is about £8.55m...one season doesn't bring down your overall net spending by much as before this year your average was £27.23m

whatawaster · 23-02-2009 01:56PM

Boggles wrote: »

Wonder will he be approached in the summer to cross over to the red side.

only if he brings his lookalike Right Back with him.

citytillidie · 23-02-2009 01:57PM

This thread is almost as bad as RAWK

busted flush · 23-02-2009 02:00PM

whatawaster wrote: »

Bold point number 2. Martin O'Neill's average spend per season is higher than Rafas. Will he be getting the stick Rafa is in 1 or 2 years time if Villa aren't the best team in the land? As i said in point 1 above, Rafa has spent a similar amount to Ferguson, and far less than Chelsea.

Ok I'm not on here trolling, or trying to get a rise from anyone, i honestly believe that Rafa has an awful lot to do with yer dismal performances in the last few years.( i remember hating Liverpool all my life, but still begrudgingly watching them cause they were a team that always played with a healthy mixture of flair and grit). Regarding the above no MON wont get the same stick as Rafa , and the reason is simple, Liverpool have been one of the footballing greats throughout the last 5 decades, they have a rich and vast culture and have always been seen as one of the top clubs in Europe. Aston villa while not without success have never ever been on the same planet as Liverpool , and the fact that you are now comparing Liverpool football club to Aston villa for me shows how far down ye as a club really are. Would man utd compare their woes in the transfer market, and league to villa. Honestly i think not. Still i think ye should keep him as if he keeps lowering yer standards eventually the competition(villa, everton, and prob man city), will slowly creep up. Hence Man utd are 8 points clear and the rest are fairly close.

whatawaster · 23-02-2009 02:01PM

jasonorr wrote: »

Net spend this year is about £8.55m...one season doesn't bring down your overall net spending by much as before this year your average was £27.23m

No it wasn't. This source seems pretty accurate:

Players bought: 189 million
Players sold: 108 million
Net spend: 81 million over 5 seasons.

Do the rest of the math yourself

Maybe the Robbie Keane figures are questionable, but the rest seem ok, and a couple of million don't change average spend by too much.

http://lfchistory.net/transfers.asp

busted flush · 23-02-2009 02:04PM

Boggles wrote: »

Wonder will he be approached in the summer to cross over to the red side.

Keep yer hands off our ginger genius!

L'prof · 23-02-2009 02:05PM

whatawaster wrote: »

No it wasn't. This source seems pretty accurate:

Players bought: 189 million
Players sold: 108 million
Net spend: 81 million over 5 seasons.

Do the rest of the math yourself

Maybe the Robbie Keane figures are questionable, but the rest seem ok, and a couple of million don't change average spend by too much.

http://lfchistory.net/transfers.asp

£16.36m? I think that's far too low to be honest!

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