Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

GuanYin · 2008-07-14 18:26:42

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread July 14th 2008 This thread is for team talk, Gossip and Rumours pertaining to Liverpool FC. This thread is open for all users to post in. There are no preferences for fans of any team. Please note the following Rules: 1. NO MATCH DISCUSSIONS - Match threads will be created for…

#11222 13-02-2009 01:13AM

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#11223 13-02-2009 01:25AM

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monkey9 wrote: »

Sorry for being pedantic, but Keane wasn't a star striker!!

QFT, compared to the real Robbie. Turned out Thompson was right.

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#11224 13-02-2009 06:43AM

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i havent bothered with boards soccer forum for a while cos the pointless and constant squabbling was doing my head in..you know who you are..but i juts had to come on here and share my pleasure in laughing at lampard today when he came out and said that 4th place was not a gaurantee..god i really dislike this guy. less than a month ago he ruled out liverpools title chance suggesting that it was a two horse race between them and utd..i mean what a lack of respect!! now i think it is funny that villa are in a better position than them..hahahahahhhaahahaha at you frankie boy. and im sure lots of people will argue with my post here but whatever im so happy to see him humbled. i was disgusted when he suggested it was a two horse race...i love it when people liek him have a fall from grace like this

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#11225 13-02-2009 09:52AM

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Ode to Boggles (To the tune of Que sera, sera)

Oh Boggles, Boggles
You mix up your left from your right
Your posts are utter sh*te
Oh Boggles, Boggles

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#11226 13-02-2009 10:00AM

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Mod note:

RustySpoon wrote: »

Ode to Boggles (To the tune of Que sera, sera)

Oh Boggles, Boggles
You mix up your left from your right
Your posts are utter sh*te
Oh Boggles, Boggles

Less than 24hrs after the warning I posted here, this post earned a two week ban.

Anyone else thinks I'm not serious?

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#11227 13-02-2009 10:04AM

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Boggles wrote: »

Houlier had Liverpool top with 3 to play in the 2001-02 season.

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I never said Arsenal had 3 to play.

You didn't, but if you're going to reel out stats to back up your contentious points on this thread can you at least reel them all out, particularly when you are aware of them, and not just select the ones that suit you? Because from where I'm standing, that looks like an attempt to wind people up.

You wouldn't be trying to wind people up now, would you?

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#11228 13-02-2009 10:18AM

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Jimmy Rice 13 February 2009

Kenny Dalglish believes critics of Rafa Benitez's team selection at Portsmouth are talking 'nonsense'.
The gaffer raised a few eyebrows with a 5-3-2 formation without Xabi Alonso, Dirk Kuyt, Albert Riera and Fernando Torres.

Despite the fact it took a late goal from Torres to wrap up the points, Dalglish believes victory was fully deserved.

The Kop icon told LFC Magazine: "To be fair to Rafa Benitez, in the face of yet more ridiculous nonsense, I think the formation he chose to play at Fratton Park was excellent.

"Everyone looked happy with their role in the team and when that happens you've always got a chance.

"The one thing people seem to be missing with Rafa's selection is the effect it had on Portsmouth.

"I don't know how much work Rafa was able to do with the players with this idea in mind, but by the time the players kicked off on Saturday night they all knew what it was they were supposed to be doing.

"In contrast, Pompey didn't have a clue and were taken off guard. Imagine you were Tony Adams and you saw that team - you've spent all week working on a formation, then you're up against something new and unexpected.

"If we'd taken our chances then Rafa's decision would rightly have been hailed a masterstroke. It took Pompey an hour and a sub before they got into the game.

"The two goals they got were avoidable but there was little the boss could do from the touchline to prevent those.

"The media are hailing it as a lucky result. Even if he'd picked the team they clearly believed to be the best, would we still not have needed a wee bit of luck?

"Of course we'd still have needed a slice of luck, but would anyone really argue that we didn't deserve to win that game? I don't think so!"

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#11229 13-02-2009 10:21AM

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So.........Citeh?!

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#11230 13-02-2009 10:24AM

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spockety wrote: »

Don't give us that horse manure about Arsenal having 2 games in hand. It makes your argument pointless. Liverpool being top with 3 to play is pointless if anyone within overtaking distance has more games to play than the 3 you talk about. Christ give us patience!

But earlier in this season all we heard out of Liverpool fans was "Top of the league"...."We're top of the league"

When Manchester had games in hand which would enable them to overtake Liverpool.

Now lads, it's one or the other.

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#11231 13-02-2009 10:26AM

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Karmafaerie wrote: »

So.........Citeh?!

So next week! Liverpoool have the week off.

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#11232 13-02-2009 10:29AM

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Des wrote: »

But earlier in this season all we heard out of Liverpool fans was "Top of the league"...."We're top of the league"

When Manchester had games in hand which would enable them to overtake Liverpool.

Now lads, it's one or the other.

The difference is that we know now that in 2001/2002 when all teams had '3 to play' Liverpool were NOT top of the league, despite what Boggles was trying to say/do.

In the 2008/2009 season, with Liverpool top and United 2 games in hand, nobody had any clue what the state of play would be like when they draw level on matches played, and we still don't know!

I said earlier somewhere that I expect United to win every match, and when they don't it's a bonus. But I still acknowledge the chance exists that United slip up.

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#11233 13-02-2009 10:35AM

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mike65 wrote: »

So next week! Liverpoool have the week off.

I know, but just trying anything to move on!;)

The premiership really didn't know how many problems they were causing for internet forums when they set up the fixtue list!:p

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#11234 13-02-2009 10:41AM

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Utd have 3 games within the next week - in the same time that we have 1 game.

Probably the best hope for us is that they slip up against Fulham's mighty defence or tire against Blackburn - but with the quality of their squad they probably won't.

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#11235 13-02-2009 12:09PM

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therecklessone wrote: »

You didn't, but if you're going to reel out stats to back up your contentious points on this thread can you at least reel them all out particularly when you are aware of them, and not just select the ones that suit you? Because from where I'm standing, that looks like an attempt to wind people up.

You wouldn't be trying to wind people up now, would you?

No. Any chance in the future if you are accusing me of something you could do it by pm. Thanks.

The point was made that this is Liverpools best title challenge in a decade, I pointed out the French one had them top with 3 games to play, 5 posts later I expanded on the point because a couple of users were confused.

Either way, it was their best chance in the last decade to lift the trophy, especially when Arsenal had 2 remaining fixtures against United and Everton and an Fa Cup final against Chelsea before that. Arsenal were in awesome form, but so were Liverpool who felt the pressure against The Villa and handed the confidence and iniative to Arsenal.

spockety wrote: »

Don't give us that horse manure about Arsenal having 2 games in hand. It makes your argument pointless. Liverpool being top with 3 to play is pointless if anyone within overtaking distance has more games to play than the 3 you talk about. Christ give us patience!

Didn't you say a couple of weeks back that games in hand were not points on the board?

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#11236 13-02-2009 12:42PM

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Des wrote: »

But earlier in this season all we heard out of Liverpool fans was "Top of the league"...."We're top of the league"

When Manchester had games in hand which would enable them to overtake Liverpool.

Now lads, it's one or the other.

Its a bit of a difference though, that year, being top of the league at the end was almost a bitter pill to swallow as we all pretty much knew we wouldn't win it barring serious mess ups from a great Arsenal team.

This year we were all just happy to be top, without actually thinking about the future. It was more of a case of enjoying it while it lasts!

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#11237 13-02-2009 12:48PM

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PiE wrote: »

Utd have 3 games within the next week - in the same time that we have 1 game.

Probably the best hope for us is that they slip up against Fulham's mighty defence or tire against Blackburn - but with the quality of their squad they probably won't.

Blackburn have been keeping quite a few clean sheets lately too you never know

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#11238 13-02-2009 12:51PM

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It was also nearly ten years ago and has absolutely no bearing on the current situation - so why let it spoil the thread?

Agger talking again - nothing bad this time though:

Liverpool defender Daniel Agger has conceded title rivals Manchester United are looking very strong.

The Reds currently trail United by two points at the top of the table as they battle for their first title in 19 years.

United's run of eight straight wins has helped them overhaul Liverpool at the summit and Agger admits he has been impressed by Liverpool's arch-rivals.

"I take my hat off to United. They have showed scary strength and have many strings to play on," Agger told Ekstra Bladet.

"They are the most stable and they win the close games.
Must-win

United can move five points clear if they overcome Fulham in their game in hand and Agger admits Liverpool cannot afford any more slip-ups and must beat United in their clash at Old Trafford next month.

"If we want to keep our chances for the trophy alive we can't draw in so many games," added Agger.

"Manchester United could be five points ahead of us if they win next Wednesday's game against Fulham.

"Because of that we will have to beat them at Old Trafford."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4919439,00.html

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#11239 13-02-2009 12:53PM

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Boggles wrote: »

Either way, it was their best chance in the last decade to lift the trophy, especially when Arsenal had 2 remaining fixtures against United and Everton and an Fa Cup final against Chelsea before that. Arsenal were in awesome form, but so were Liverpool who felt the pressure against The Villa and handed the confidence and iniative to Arsenal.

How can you say that it was their best chance when it was not in their own hands at that stage of the campaign. They came with a late rattle to get into contention iirc. So its very unlike this year where they have led and been in second for a long time and a win at Old Trafford would leave them in great shape.

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#11240 13-02-2009 01:05PM

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Speaking of Agger.

Jan Molby: Daniel Agger is eager to stay – Liverpool FC latestFeb 13 2009 by David Prentice, Liverpool Echo

LIVERPOOL’S original Danish legend, Jan Molby, believes countryman Daniel Agger can join him on the Reds roster of greatness.

Agger spoke yesterday of his frustration at being overlooked for the starting line-up this season.

But Molby, who knows the Danish star, declared: “I know Daniel wants to stay in Liverpool and to become a real Liverpool legend.

“He feels he’s at the best possible place to achieve his footballing dreams.”

Molby made almost 300 appearances in an 11-year career at Anfield, winning three league titles and two FA Cups.

Agger has made 71 appearances since arriving from Brondby in January 2006, and Molby added: “Prior to his metatarsal injury he was very, very good in terms of his defending and forward play.

“He probably hasn’t reached that level again since his return – maybe because he hasn’t been playing every week – but potentially he is one of the best ball playing central defenders in the world.”

Meanwhile, Agger’s defensive partner, Jamie Carragher, has celebrated Liverpool’s knack of scoring late winners this season – after two more late goals at Portsmouth secured three priceless points.

“It’s not just a one-off game, we’ve come from behind like that quite a bit this season,” he explained.
“It’s something Manchester United have done a lot in the past to win titles and you’ve got to take your hat off to them because they’ve done it over the years and this season as well.

“It’s something we’ve not been too good at in recent years but we seem to have it in our locker this season and hopefully that will push us as close to the title as possible.

“There’s nothing better when you think you’re going to lose a game and you come back and win – it knocks the stuffing out of the opposition and you just want the referee to blow the final whistle as soon as that goal goes in.

“We still had to defend a few high balls into the box (at Portsmouth) but you’ve got to keep your emotions in check as you’re so excited.

"You realise that the game still hasn’t finished but we were delighted when we got back in the dressing room.”

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2009/02/13/jan-molby-daniel-agger-is-eager-to-stay-liverpool-fc-latest-100252-22921754

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#11241 13-02-2009 01:09PM

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Boggles wrote: »

Didn't you say a couple of weeks back that games in hand were not points on the board?

Yes, and at the point I said it, United's fixtures in hand were not points on the board.

We know for sure now that in 2001/2002 Arsenal's fixtures were points on the board.

But I suspect that doesn't suit your argument/position because it's not as conducive to getting people in a lather about it.

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#11242 13-02-2009 01:31PM

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spockety wrote: »

Yes, and at the point I said it, United's fixtures in hand were not points on the board.

We know for sure now that in 2001/2002 Arsenal's fixtures were points on the board.

But I suspect that doesn't suit your argument/position because it's not as conducive to getting people in a lather about it.

I fail to see why your arguing with me, do you not think Liverpool had a great chance to win the league in 2001-2002?

It only really becomes someway compariable to this season to the point of 35 games played.

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#11243 13-02-2009 02:12PM

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Boggles wrote: »

I fail to see why your arguing with me, do you not think Liverpool had a great chance to win the league in 2001-2002?

It only really becomes someway compariable to this season to the point of 35 games played.

I'm arguing because you claimed Liverpool were top with 3 games to be played which was not really the case if you call it fairly and look at it from the point of view of every team having 3 games to be played.

But yes, 2001-2002 represented the last time Liverpool had a really great chance to win the league. You don't even need to wait until 35 games played, even at the point we are now with 24/25 played Liverpool were only a couple of points off the top at the same point in that season.

You didn't need to try the sleight of hand to make your point, you could easily argue Liverpool had a great chance in 2001-2002 under Houllier/Thompson without having to resort to that. IMHO.

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#11244 13-02-2009 02:24PM

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Boggles wrote: »

Any chance in the future if you are accusing me of something you could do it by pm.

I didn't accuse you of anything, I stated a perception that required clarification, so asked a related question. Thanks for clearing that up by the way.

I'll do whatever I feel is necessary to facilitate good honest debate on the forum, if that is a problem I'll invite you to contact me via PM to discuss further. Do not discuss moderation in-thread, it detracts from the topic of the thread.

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#11245 13-02-2009 03:13PM

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Liverpool appeared to crash out of the title race. Despite being top of the table at the start of December and eleven points clear of Manchester United, they suffered a slump into fifth place and five points behind United.

January saw Liverpool head to Arsenal and Manchester United, all in a fortnight. Danny Murphy scored a late winner to give Liverpool the three points at Old Trafford, while John Arne Riise salvaged a point against Arsenal. Manchester United were top of the table for the first time in the season after Liverpool and Arsenal's stalemate draw.

Liverpool's defeat to Tottenham in March installed Arsenal as favourites for the title. The Gunners win against Bolton Wanderers, in April saw them close the gap to just three points for an Arsenal Championship victory.

All eyes were on the match at Old Trafford between Arsenal and Manchester United. Arsenal needed a draw to guarantee the title for the second time in five seasons, while United needed a win to have any say in the outcome of the league. Sylvain Wiltord was the only scorer in the fiercely battled rival, which had meant that Arsenal secured their third double in ironic fashion. United's loss allowed Liverpool to leapfrog into second place, after their win against Blackburn Rovers, on the same night.

Liverpool confirmed second place and another season of European football on the last day of the season. They trashed and relegated Ipswich Town, 5–0 at home. Arsenal displayed their trophy in style after beating Everton 4–3 at Highbury, while Manchester United could only manage a draw against Charlton.

So basically we were leading in December, but then dropped to fifth!!!
And a late surge brought us back to second on the second last day of the season!

And you compare that to us being top of the table for 7 weeks, and emerging afterwards in the second seat of a fast becoming two horse race.

No dice.

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#11246 13-02-2009 03:27PM

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So this is how poor the picking are? Arguing the toss about events of 7/8 years back?

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#11247 13-02-2009 03:31PM

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Like I said, no game for over a week.

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#11248 13-02-2009 04:17PM

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Okay here's something to get our teeth into. I haven't read it yet.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article5703041.ece

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#11249 13-02-2009 04:54PM

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^^^ Thats a shocking list, Peter Beardsley in the 40's although the excuse for leaving him so low is funny.

But Carragher in the top 10 is a joke.

And Roger Hunt ahead of Ian Rush seems wrong to me, I know how good Hunt was, but Rush was the most clinical striker after Alan Shearer that I have ever seen. I think he is getting that rating on a World Cup winners medal and not just all that he did for Liverpool.

For me the three famous no. 7's, Dalglish, Keegan and Beardsley are all top ten. Of Liverpool players that I've seen play my top ten would be:
1. Kenny Dalglish
2. Kevin Keegan
3. Ian Rush
4. Steven Gerard
5. Graeme Souness
6. Peter Beardsley
7. John Barnes
8. Alan Hansen
9. Ronnie Whelan
10. Robbie Fowler

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#11250 13-02-2009 05:57PM

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[QUOTE=eagle eye;59023980
For me the three famous no. 7's, Dalglish, Keegan and Beardsley are all top ten. Of Liverpool players that I've seen play my top ten would be:
1. Kenny Dalglish
2. Kevin Keegan
3. Ian Rush
4. Steven Gerard
5. Graeme Souness
6. Peter Beardsley
7. John Barnes
8. Alan Hansen
9. Ronnie Whelan
10. Robbie Fowler[/QUOTE]

1. Kenny Dalglish
2. Graeme Souness
3. John Barnes
4. Steve Nicol (Should have been way up the list. He was an outstanding player and one of my favourite players of all time)
5. Kevin Keegan
6. Ian Rush
7. Steven Gerrard
9. Alan Hansen
10. Ronnie Whelan

Robbie just misses out. I think he is second only to Rushie when it comes to goal poachers produced in Britain.

Looking at some of the names on my list and considering how many of them played alongside each other, it makes it hard at times when you see some of the players who have worn the Liverpool jersey in the meantime who were just not good enough. I'd love to be able to sign one or 2 of those right now. I wonder what sort of transfer fee could you put on these lads...

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#11251 13-02-2009 06:03PM

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therecklessone wrote: »

I'll do whatever I feel is necessary to facilitate good honest debate on the forum, if that is a problem I'll invite you to contact me via PM to discuss further. Do not discuss moderation in-thread, it detracts from the topic of the thread.

I didn't discuss any moderation, you asked me a direct question, I answered it.

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