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Lol, maybe on the internet.
Dawkins doesn't really annoy me. His manner gives off an air of arrogance, but I think what he's doing is great. Interpreting what he does as a smug attack on religion is missing the bigger picture. The point is that he provokes the ordinary, unthinkingly religious person to reconsider their faith, shows those who've been struggling with their faith that it's ok to be an atheist, and generally presents atheism as a valid world view.
M'eh, in my experience they're there in force in the real world as well, though admittedly a lot more vocal on t'internet :pac: And I respectfully disagree about Dawkins as well, atheism was a valid world view when he was in nappies, and at the very least in stuff like The Root of All Evil he's courting controversy and publicity by dissing religion. He knows his stuff, he is good, it's the 'tude I have issue with, his work gets quoted by people to just bash people who aren't atheists, which I don't see the point in (and I voted no in the poll).
Anyways, this is a discussion I've had many times and it tends to get vert agressive and repetitive (not that the good citizens of this forum would do that
) so I'll leave it there 
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yay! Here's my favourite improbable things do happen analogy:
Many people don't realise, in terms of playlists, the difference between shuffle and random. Random, means it is possible (though unlikely) for the same song to be played twice in a row. It's one of my weird / nerd hobbies to test this on new mp3 players or new software players I get So far it's happened twice, in all the time I've been playing on random, which is to be expected as it's a fairly improbable event (dependant on the size of your playlist), but the point is it signifies a fully functioning random engine, not (as many people might assume) a broken one. For any pattern to emerge is not impossible, merely improbable, and the fact that they can and do, shows true random -ness
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edit: argh!!! I had intended on staying with 666 posts for a while... woops...0 -
yay! Here's my favourite improbable things do happen analogy:
Many people don't realise, in terms of playlists, the difference between shuffle and random. Random, means it is possible (though unlikely) for the same song to be played twice in a row. It's one of my weird / nerd hobbies to test this on new mp3 players or new software players I get So far it's happened twice, in all the time I've been playing on random, which is to be expected as it's a fairly improbable event (dependant on the size of your playlist), but the point is it signifies a fully functioning random engine, not (as many people might assume) a broken one. For any pattern to emerge is not impossible, merely improbable, and the fact that they can and do, shows true random -ness
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edit: argh!!! I had intended on staying with 666 posts for a while... woops...
you'd think they'd code it not to play the same song twice, keep a list of which ones have been played and not to play those for another while. really simple to implement really
also the random number generators on a mp3 player don't generate true random numbers. they use some formula to come up with something that looks random and use the time or date as a seed. even with hardware random number generators a lot of them will have something that strips out 2 consecutive 1's or 2 consecutive 0's to make sure the numbers are good and random0 -
you'd think they'd code it not to play the same song twice, keep a list of which ones have been played and not to play those for another while. really simple to implement really
also the random number generators on a mp3 player don't generate true random numbers. they use some formula to come up with something that looks random and use the time or date as a seed. even with hardware random number generators a lot of them will have something that strips out 2 consecutive 1's or 2 consecutive 0's to make sure the numbers are good and random
ermm, that would be good if you wanted shuffle, but not random...
I'm aware the random number generators aren't perfect, but my little tests proves they're still doing pretty damn good 0 -
ermm, that would be good if you wanted shuffle, but not random...
I'm aware the random number generators aren't perfect, but my little tests proves they're still doing pretty damn good
because they test them to make sure the numbers are statistically random. which is good enough if you're using it to play songs but not for encryption (generating one-time pads and the like)
at the end of the day there is no such thing as random. just a lot of confusing unrelated numbers0 -
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deleriumtremens wrote: »Hmm..the poll result kind of looks like the middle finger most of us point at the catholic church and organised religion!
I'm waiting for it to reveal a statistically significant, but random, phone number... Of course I need for at least one of the options to break a 100 votes for that, so here's hoping.... :pac: 0 -
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deleriumtremens wrote: »Hmm..the poll result kind of looks like the middle finger most of us point at the catholic church and organised religion!
Dude (Dude? wtf but anyway) if it wasnt for the Catholic Church we'd most likely be farming potatoes...............(Or all out ancestors would have been wiped out in the famine).
I mean, the Catholic Church makes up half the shít they talk about, my main problem being the whole dogma thing (never mind my lack of their fundamental belief), but they did so much for Ireland, you cant help but appreciate it.0 -
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Dude (Dude? wtf but anyway) if it wasnt for the Catholic Church we'd most likely be farming potatoes...............(Or all out ancestors would have been wiped out in the famine).
I mean, the Catholic Church makes up half the shít they talk about, my main problem being the whole dogma thing (never mind my lack of their fundamental belief), but they did so much for Ireland, you cant help but appreciate it.
Was it not the protestants that fed the starving catholics during the famine, made them convert before feeding them, "takng the soup" and all that!? Also, that whole system of giving ten percent of your crops to feed the fat clergy (tithes)...not on in my opinion! Also, the number of boys who got the s'hit kicked out of them by the Christian brothers or whatever as kids. They kicked the s'hit out of my grandad for being left handed apparently, my dad got a few shlaps aswell from his particular catholic school, although I'm well aware everybody has parents and grandparents who suffered at the hands of these c'unts. Hatrid of the catholic church isnt the reason I dont believe in god though, but it sure helps! 0 -
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deleriumtremens wrote: »Was it not the protestants that fed the starving catholics during the famine, made them convert before feeding them, "takng the soup" and all that!? Also, that whole system of giving ten percent of your crops to feed the fat clergy (tithes)...not on in my opinion! Also, the number of boys who got the s'hit kicked out of them by the Christian brothers or whatever as kids. They kicked the s'hit out of my grandad for being left handed apparently, my dad got a few shlaps aswell from his particular catholic school, although I'm well aware everybody has parents and grandparents who suffered at the hands of these c'unts. Hatrid of the catholic church isnt the reason I dont believe in god though, but it sure helps!
It is a business after all, a very successful one too, and Tithes are common in alot of Christian Churches, not exactly unique from the CC.
Being strict (or being pedophiles! before anyone bothers with that) isnt exactly a reason to resent them. They established an education system here, so you can hardly fault them for that. They did alot, and I mean ALOT of bad things in Ireland, but we owe them alot.0 -
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I, unlike most (if not all) of you, was not brought up a Catholic. The whole dogma thing doesn't really apply so much in the Church of Ireland. Christianity is a far more approachable idea to me than many of my friends.
I did go through a "OMG I
RICHARD DAWKINZZZZ LOL" phase when I was a bit younger. I realised the error of my ways. Religion is a personal choice, and one's own opinion should never be forced on someone else, but rather discussed in a grown up manner. Atheism is just another religion, in reality.
A while back, I switched to calling myself an agnostic - still believing somewhat that I was to intelligent to accept divinity, but being mature enough to respect other people's own beliefs as unquestionably valid. When my Grandfather died just over a year and a half ago, I did something I never thought I'd do, I prayed. I found great comfort in it, which has lead me to have a renewd interest in my faith. If and when something similar happens to any of you guys, you'll know what I mean.
Also, Karma is REAL.0 -
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The reason that we're here is because everything on this planet is suitable for life. We've adapted to suit what we're given, which is why we appear so miraculously, improbably, perfectly suited to our surroundings.
Thank you Bill Bryson :pac:
Exactly, why do we have 5 toes?
To punish silly women who wear impractical shoes DUH!!!!!!I, unlike most (if not all) of you, was not brought up a Catholic. The whole dogma thing doesn't really apply so much in the Church of Ireland. Christianity is a far more approachable idea to me than many of my friends.
I did go through a "OMG I RICHARD DAWKINZZZZ LOL" phase when I was a bit younger. I realised the error of my ways. Religion is a personal choice, and one's own opinion should never be forced on someone else, but rather discussed in a grown up manner. Atheism is just another religion, in reality.
A while back, I switched to calling myself an agnostic - still believing somewhat that I was to intelligent to accept divinity, but being mature enough to respect other people's own beliefs as unquestionably valid. When my Grandfather died just over a year and a half ago, I did something I never thought I'd do, I prayed. I found great comfort in it, which has lead me to have a renewd interest in my faith. If and when something similar happens to any of you guys, you'll know what I mean.
I get where you're coming from completely, but I found the opposite happen to me.
When I was in 3rd year, in about October, my granddad went in for heart surgery (some epic bypassafaik) but anyway, some crazy thing happened (I dont really know, a stroke maybe?) and he pretty much was a vegetable, or at least seemed like that.
Anyway, throughout the year every Sunday I was dragged into the Mater to see my dying Granddad (After about a week I had kinda accepted the fact he was gonna die, and we'd never been THAT close), and it really made me wonder if there is a God, why would things like happen (Not in a selfish its happening to me way, but in ANY way). I dont mind death, its inevitable, but I cant see some omnipotent creator prolonging a death until fúcking easter, allowing a grown man, be completely lacking in dignity and control.0 -
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