Not again...

Fanny Cradock · 09-02-2009 03:29PM #1

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/4557618/Christian-foster-mother-struck-off-after-Muslim-girl-converts.html

While I support certain aspects of secularisation in society, surely this case (and I recognise that one article doesn't necessarily tell the whole story) goes to provide evidence that there are areas that you cant simply apply a hard and fast rule.

Húrin · 09-02-2009 03:54PM

The Telegraph strikes again.

I've never been much of a fan of the "war against Christianity" claims about what is going on in the secular west, but stories like this make you wonder.

PDN · 09-02-2009 04:01PM

So a teenager rebelled against her religious upbringing. How shocking!

robindch · 09-02-2009 04:01PM

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

I recognise that one article doesn't necessarily tell the whole story

Would it be better to wait until the full facts came out before drawing a conclusion?

Fanny Cradock · 09-02-2009 04:05PM

Yes, while I don't see an agenda myself, it does make one wonder what the heck is going on. Hopefully more facts will come out about the case. But as it stands, it seems that public organs in England are thrown into all sorts of hysterics at the merest mention of the 'R' word.

Fanny Cradock · 09-02-2009 04:10PM

robindch wrote: »

Would it be better to wait until the full facts came out before drawing a conclusion?

Indeed! And I think that I've admitted as much.

JimiTime · 09-02-2009 04:12PM

robindch wrote: »

Would it be better to wait until the full facts came out before drawing a conclusion?

Is there a need to point this out, when the OP pointed it out in his OP?

EDIT: FC beat me to it.

robindch · 09-02-2009 04:23PM

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

it seems that public organs in England are thrown into all sorts of hysterics at the merest mention of the 'R' word.

Personally, I'd have said it was evidence that certain right-wing publications become hysterical at the merest mention of religion. Gets good coverage, which is what most newspapers are all about.

Still, I look forward to finding out what really happened.

Fanny Cradock · 09-02-2009 04:29PM

robindch wrote: »

Personally, I'd have said it was evidence that certain right-wing publications become hysterical at the merest mention of religion. Gets good coverage, which is what most newspapers are all about.

Still, I look forward to finding out what really happened.

Well, I think that we have both outlined our positions. Whether this story is being cynically used by certain pressure groups or whatever hardly detracts from the the story itself. If the facts have been reported accurately then I really don't see how your position could remain justifiable.

robindch · 09-02-2009 04:37PM

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

If the facts have been reported accurately then I really don't see how your position could remain justifiable.

Well, it's from the Daily Telegraph, so I assume that the story is spun sideways. If the same text had arrived from a less hysterical news source -- say the BBC -- I'd treat it with far more circumspection.

Húrin · 09-02-2009 04:49PM

Does the Telegraph have a history of spinning rubbish? perhaps I shouldn't have said anything!

sorella · 09-02-2009 04:59PM

Thank You, Jesus, for another soul won from darkness.. Praise and thanksgiving.

What happened was a conversion.

Which satan hates of course.

Fanny Cradock · 09-02-2009 05:48PM

Húrin wrote: »

Does the Telegraph have a history of spinning rubbish? perhaps I shouldn't have said anything!

I think it considered a bit of a Conservative mouthpiece.

Nodin · 09-02-2009 05:49PM

sorella wrote: »

Thank You, Jesus, for another soul won from darkness.. Praise and thanksgiving.

What happened was a conversion.

Which satan hates of course.

yes, Jesus strikes another blow against Wrong Religon. Go Jesus.

Nodin · 09-02-2009 05:51PM

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

I think it considered a bit of a Conservative mouthpiece.

'home counties' fright rag....

JimiTime · 09-02-2009 05:54PM

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

I think it considered a bit of a Conservative mouthpiece.

During my 3 years in London it was referred to as 'The Daily ToryGraph'.

Fanny Cradock · 09-02-2009 05:57PM

JimiTime wrote: »

During my 3 years in London it was referred to as 'The Daily ToryGraph'.

We will just have to wait and see if this story has legs. On the face of it I would think this is much more worrying than the brouhaha over the nurse.

JimiTime · 09-02-2009 06:01PM

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

We will just have to wait and see if this story has legs. On the face of it I would think this is much more worrying than the brouhaha over the nurse.

I can only hope that its spin, something tells me though, that its not. I think the R word does seem to cause hysteria amongst certain folk.

sHnaCk · 09-02-2009 06:04PM

Fruit of the Spirit eh... as the servant is not above the master

sHnaCk · 09-02-2009 06:12PM

The remarkable thing about the persecution of the Church is that no matter how bad it was during the early days, in the 20th century alone, more Christians have died as a result of persecution than in all of the previous 19 centuries combined. Currently, the majority of persecutions is occurring within the 10/40 window, primarily in China and the Moslem countries.

sorella · 09-02-2009 06:29PM

Amen; or, rather, Maranatha; come , Lord Jesus.

And soon, we beg of Thee; soon now Lord.

Nodin wrote: »

yes, Jesus strikes another blow against Wrong Religon. Go Jesus.

Mickeroo · 09-02-2009 06:44PM

Sounds like the foster mum was hard done by to me on the face of that article,but i guess it can't be taken as gospel...no pun intended.

fitz0 · 09-02-2009 07:51PM

Judging from the article, this is disgraceful. The girl was old enough at 16 to make her own decision and I can't help but wonder how much fuss would have been made if a jew/JW/anything else converted to anything else. I think there is a heightened sensitivity these days when islam enters into the equation. Not to mention that the woman has fostered over 80 kids. That alone deserves commendation.

Nodin · 10-02-2009 02:26PM

fitz0 wrote: »

Judging from the article, this is disgraceful. The girl was old enough at 16 to make her own decision and I can't help but wonder how much fuss would have been made if a jew/JW/anything else converted to anything else. I think there is a heightened sensitivity these days when islam enters into the equation. Not to mention that the woman has fostered over 80 kids. That alone deserves commendation.

Religion
It is important for a child’s identity and possible reunification with his or her birth family that a child’s religious practices and beliefs are represented during a period of separation from their birth family. Foster carers cannot change a child’s religion.
Foster carers must encourage and support the child placed with them to practice his or her religion.

http://www.fostering.ws/#/rfostering/4530525080

Don't see any exceptions there....

sorella · 10-02-2009 02:41PM

Slightly fuller version here of this
.
http://clericalwhispers.blogspot.com/2009/02/woman-struck-off-list-of-foster-carers.html

And in Scotland, grandparents are fighting in the courts to prevent their grandchildren being adopted by homosexuals.

And Jesus weeps.

Handsome Bob · 10-02-2009 02:45PM

She claims that she did not pressurise the girl, who was put in care after being assaulted by a family member, to convert, and actually tried to discourage her initial interest in Christianity.

"We had a multicultural household and I had no problems helping the young person maintain her faith of birth," the woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, told the Mail on Sunday.

"I have always prided myself on being very professional in what I do."

I hope a few heads roll over this. The above quote sums up the ludicrousy of the case.

ChocolateSauce · 10-02-2009 02:45PM

I think this is more serious than Christianity being under attack. This isn't about attacking Christianity, this is about bending over backwards to accommodate Islam, for misguided reasons of "tolerance" and multi-culturalism. You can bet if she converted from Christianity or any other religion to Islam, there'd be little objection. Islam has managed to paint itself in Britain as a desperately oppressed minority, so much so that the politically correct establishment refuses not only to criticise it, but refuses to even admit it is causing problems.

According to Islam, this girl should be put to death for apostasy. She was in foster care to begin with because she was being beaten by her male relatives, and she converted probably at least partly because she saw how much better Christian women had it to Muslim ones, and yet because she did this (a clear sign she was not happy with her up-bringing), the state put her back into the home she was raised in, presumably to encourage her to become a Muslim again, and this presumably to avoid accusations that the state was causing Islam hassle.

JimiTime · 10-02-2009 03:03PM

sorella wrote: »

And in Scotland, grandparents are fighting in the courts to prevent their grandchildren being adopted by homosexuals.

Article here

I didn't realise this was legal? So is it legal in the UK, to give a child to a homosexual couple in adoption? Is ths common knowledge? Or a I missing something?

BrianCalgary · 10-02-2009 03:40PM

A teenager left free to make her own choices makes a choice that the government didn't like.

I wonder if the care giver would be in this much trouble if the girl had become a dug dealer?

MatthewVII · 10-02-2009 03:47PM

sorella wrote: »

Slightly fuller version here of this
.
http://clericalwhispers.blogspot.com/2009/02/woman-struck-off-list-of-foster-carers.html

And in Scotland, grandparents are fighting in the courts to prevent their grandchildren being adopted by homosexuals.

And Jesus weeps.

That article (and your remark) are some of the saddest and most destructive things I've seen on these boards in this last while. I think this line is that I have most beef with

"This is a devastating decision which will have a serious impact on the welfare of the children involved.

There is an overwhelming body of evidence showing that same-sex relationships are inherently unstable and reduce the life expectancy of those involved"

What the hell? I have never come across such evidence and would love to see it if it exists (perhaps someone who knows can link?)

That the grandparents would fight even harder had they known it was a homosexual couple is disgustingly intolerant. The remarks made by the Church spokesman highlights what a remarkably dark age we live in. Gay relationships unstable? Reduced life expectancy? 50 years ago I would have expected this kind of bigotry, but for this to exist today takes the cake.

Were this merely a case of grandparents wanting to take care of their grandchildren I would understand. But they are just pursuing an anti-gay agenda. Naturally, the only side of the story we get is from the dear old grandparents who recant about farmyard frolics and how happy their grandchildren were. I guess we'll never hear from the other side, they'll be too busy being unstable and dropping dead at a young age.

This is unbelievable.

Nodin · 10-02-2009 03:48PM

ChocolateSauce wrote: »

I think this is more serious than Christianity being under attack. (........) Islam hassle.

Amazing how you get to that when we don't even have a detailed explanation of why the council removed her from the register.....

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