Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

L'prof · 08-02-2009 01:41AM

K-9 wrote: »

In the same time frame obviously.

Obviously!

daithijjj wrote: »

i was referring to the last few seasons.......1 champions league and fa cup to benitez and 1 league and fa cup to wenger. Charity shields? not sure if id call that a trophy.

No, I'd only count Cups and Leagues...none of these one off matches!

Wenger took his first Management job in 1984 and Benitez took his in 1986.

Wenger has won:
4 leagues, 6 Cups

Benitez has won:
U-19: 1 League, 2 Cups
Senior: 2 Leagues, 1 Cup, 1 Champions League, 1 Uefa Cup

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

I think it works out at just over 20 million..

Per season? I thought it was about that!

busted flush · 08-02-2009 01:45AM

keep rafa in a :Djob

K-9 · 08-02-2009 02:05AM

PHB wrote: »

The reason United's squad is currently more expensive is because Fergie spend his money on less more expensive players in general, while Rafa bought more less expensive players.

That's too cryptic. It's 2.00 on a Saturday morning.

K-9 · 08-02-2009 02:07AM

jasonorr wrote: »

Obviously!

No, I'd only count Cups and Leagues...none of these one off matches!

Wenger took his first Management job in 1984 and Benitez took his in 1986.

Wenger has won:
4 leagues, 6 Cups

Benitez has won:
U-19: 1 League, 2 Cups
Senior: 2 Leagues, 1 Cup, 1 Champions League, 1 Uefa Cup

Per season? I thought it was about that!

The Champions League does stand out.

Benitez.......2 finals, 1 win.

Wenger......1 final, 1 loss.

PS. Wenger is sh*te in Europe, sticks out like a sore thumb.

L'prof · 08-02-2009 02:17AM

K-9 wrote: »

The Champions League does stand out.

Benitez.......2 finals, 1 win.

Wenger......1 final, 1 loss.

PS. Wenger is sh*te in Europe, sticks out like a sore thumb.

True, I wouldn't say Wenger is ****e in Europe though, but I think we should have won it by now and I'm sure he'll get there. I don't think Liverpool will ever win the league under Rafa though!

LuckyLloyd · 08-02-2009 02:20AM

Headshot wrote: »

your a better man than me raven136 if you think lucas can make it
:pac:

Of course he can make it. He's had a bad couple of weeks and made some silly (and costly) mistakes. However he still has good technical skills and a willingness to work hard. And he's still young. The odds of him turning into a top class player have lengthened - but stranger things have happened in football...

LuckyLloyd · 08-02-2009 02:20AM

jasonorr wrote: »

True, I wouldn't say Wenger is ****e in Europe though, but I think we should have won it by now and I'm sure he'll get there. I don't think Liverpool will ever win the league under Rafa though!

Never say never when the subject is sport.

L'prof · 08-02-2009 02:25AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Never say never when the subject is sport.

True, just my opinion of course!

Keith186 · 08-02-2009 03:22AM

I've been away for a while and missed a few matches.

Wasn't good to read the last few match reports, fairly depressing actually.

I know 99% of you here love Benitez but he can really annoy me with some of his crap these days.

Losing millions of £STG (£8m?) on Keane is one thing which I know is not entirely his fault but it his partly his fault. Proving Alex Ferguson right about the fact that we paid too much for Keane is another, especially after having an untimely dig at him and them letting Utd go top, it just seems to have gone 'arseways' now.

At least we got 3 points earlier though to bring us back to the top but the performance was unconvincing all along.

K-9 · 08-02-2009 03:23AM

jasonorr wrote: »

True, I wouldn't say Wenger is ****e in Europe though, but I think we should have won it by now and I'm sure he'll get there. I don't think Liverpool will ever win the league under Rafa though!

But we could win Europe. We'll still take Europe over the League, even this year.

L'prof · 08-02-2009 07:20AM

K-9 wrote: »

But we could win Europe. We'll still take Europe over the League, even this year.

What's your number one goal every season though?

internelligent · 08-02-2009 08:19AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Liverpool Sqaud:

Diego Cavalieri: £3m
Daniel Agger: £5.8m
Stephen Gerrard: £0
Torres: £20m
Vorinin: £0
Riera: £8m
Aurelio: £0
Alsono: £10.7
Benayoun: £5
Pennant: £6.7
Arbeoloa: £2.5
Dirk Kuyt: £9
Babel: £11
Mascherano: £18.6m
Leiva: £6m
Insua: £0
Carragher: £0
Ngog: £1.5m
Reina: £6m
Spearing: £0
Degen: £0
Plessis: £0
Nemeth: £0
Itandje: £0
El Zhar: £0
Darby: £0
Kelly: £0
Flynn: £0
Irwin: £0
Skrtel: £112m
Lindfield: £0
Eccelston: £0
Hansen: £0
Gulasci: £0

I guess Skrtel did cost alot, especially for a defender, but imo he's ended up being a bargain.:)

5starpool · 08-02-2009 09:04AM

eagle eye wrote: »

That post was directed at Mr Alan, if you want to quote it please be ready to reply properly and not just try and wipe it away with some silly comments regarding your own personal view.

I don't care who it was directed at as this is a discussion thread, but I really am sick of hearing about Robbie Keane.

zing · 08-02-2009 09:13AM

Comparing Rafa's spend to that of Wenger or Fergie over the last few years is absolutely pointless as they were coming from different positions - the later two had been in their respective gigs for many years and had established teams so have been tweaking them here or there. Rafa on the other hand came in to a team which needed overhauling for various reasons (some crap players, some aging players, some players whos contracts were up and not worth re-signing, etc..) People can talk about their respective net spend over the last few years as if it means something but it's simply not a like for like comparsion.

Comparing it to Chelsea is also pointless but for different reasons

HashSlinging · 08-02-2009 09:13AM

Keanegate is over, out with the old in with the new.

eagle eye · 08-02-2009 09:22AM

5starpool wrote: »

I don't care who it was directed at as this is a discussion thread, but I really am sick of hearing about Robbie Keane.

Correct it is a discussion thread, and a Liverpool discussion thread at that. I did not want to bring up the Robbie Keane subject again, but I'm not going to let somebody come out with what was said and not reply.

Guy:Incognito · 08-02-2009 09:41AM

K-9 wrote: »

That's too cryptic. It's 2.00 on a Saturday morning.

Jesus you must be have a bad one cos it's Sunday morning.:)

Handsome Bob · 08-02-2009 10:28AM

PHB wrote: »

I think you'll find, in the countless discussion on the topic, and I mean countless, that most people will agree that United and Liverpool have roughly similar net spends since Benetiz joined Liverpool, Chelsea have significantly more, Arsenal having significantly less.

What this means as Rafa as a manager is open to much debate, but the sheer numbers just aren't. Fergie and Benetiz have had fairly similar net spends since Rafa joined Liverpool.
The reason United's squad is currently more expensive is because Fergie spend his money on less more expensive players in general, while Rafa bought more less expensive players.

The thing about this though is that by the time Rafa came along Fergie basically had a squad that he was happy with, a squad that he had moulded. So all he had to do was add one or two little gems to his team every season.

Whereas with Rafa he inherited a squad that he wanted to change radically. Rafa only had on average about £20m a season to spend so most of that had to go on building a squad that was his. Only now that Rafa seemingly has a squad that he is happy with he has begun to use the bulk of his budget (Rafa also has always had to sell to buy, I don't think Fergie has that problem at all; he's just given a budget whereas Rafa has to raise a significant amount of his) on trying to acquire world class players to add to that squad.

PHB · 08-02-2009 10:42AM

Before I start this discussion again, maybe we should move it to a different thread? Somebody want to start it? We haven't had it in about a year so I'd imagine lots of new people to the board might not realise how wrong their view of Rafa's finances is. [Except of course those who disagree with me

]

Just to get an idea, think of United's squad, and think of how many of them were around from before Rafa's time.

Handsome Bob · 08-02-2009 10:43AM

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,2483_4905074,00.html

The Star claim that George Gillett has laid the blame of Liverpool's "Premiership slump" at Rafa Benitez's "rant" at Alex Ferguson. The Express claim that Rafa Benitez "must" win the PL to "save his job" after criticism from George Gillett.

You can always depend on one of these clowns to put their foot in it.

Dub13 · 08-02-2009 11:17AM

LZ5by5 wrote: »

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,2483_4905074,00.html

The Star claim that George Gillett has laid the blame of Liverpool's "Premiership slump" at Rafa Benitez's "rant" at Alex Ferguson. The Express claim that Rafa Benitez "must" win the PL to "save his job" after criticism from George Gillett.

You can always depend on one of these clowns to put their foot in it.

Get with the times,that story is a week old .;)

Handsome Bob · 08-02-2009 12:22PM

PHB wrote: »

Before I start this discussion again, maybe we should move it to a different thread? Somebody want to start it? We haven't had it in about a year so I'd imagine lots of new people to the board might not realise how wrong their view of Rafa's finances is. [Except of course those who disagree with me ]

Just to get an idea, think of United's squad, and think of how many of them were around from before Rafa's time.

That is irrelevant. My point was that Ferguson has long since had a foundation in his squad to shape it and improve on it as he sees fit. Rafa has not.

Ferguson has been building his current squad with often-expensive signings (as well as some bargains) dating back to 2001, and with four home-grown stalwarts (Giggs, Scholes, Neville and Brown) dating back to between 1991 and 1998. And they have recent success behind them that clearly makes it easier.

Dub13 wrote: »

Get with the times,that story is a week old .;)

Don't blame me, blame the rags who have only reported on it this morning.:pac:

Melion · 08-02-2009 12:24PM

Oh for christ sake, how did Rafa's spending come back up?

We all know he's spent £17billion while Ferguson has only spent £100

Dub13 · 08-02-2009 12:36PM

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Don't blame me, blame the rags who have only reported on it this morning.:pac:

Yea that story only broke this time last week so it was not in last weeks Sunday rags.

zing · 08-02-2009 12:42PM

PHB wrote: »

Before I start this discussion again, maybe we should move it to a different thread?

Let's not bother - it'll achieve nothing. It'll be the same people saying the exact same things and not changing their opinions no matter how many points for or against their particular view point are made.

Chardee MacDennis · 08-02-2009 01:04PM

anyone have the goals?

mike65 · 08-02-2009 01:10PM

http://www.mediafire.com/file/hjokm2gjgno/Aurelio-1-1-Portsmouth.mp4

http://www.mediafire.com/file/tglj212yzyf/Kuyt-2-2-Portsmouth.mp4

http://www.mediafire.com/file/tymmny1y3wz/Torres-3-2-Portsmouth.mp4

redout · 08-02-2009 01:15PM

Whats the implications of Rafa being sacked come the end of the season. Does anyone believe the Spanish exodus will occur if he leaves and will Pool be able to replace Reina, Arbeloa, Riera, Alonso, Torres. My feeling is that the only one who will certainly leave would be Torres and maybe Alonso. I dont see a complete exodus but do believe some will seriously consider it if it happens. I believe if Pool win nothing this season then its time for a change regardless of peoples feeling for Rafa as it will have been 3 seasons without any silverware. That is getting ridiculous for Pool considering how they have got use to winning again since the turn of the century. Arsenal also but I would judge Wengers job to be far safer than Rafas.

Malice · 08-02-2009 01:19PM

redout wrote: »

I believe if Pool win nothing this season then its time for a change regardless of peoples feeling for Rafa as it will have been 3 seasons without any silverware. That is getting ridiculous for Pool considering how they have got use to winning again since the turn of the century.

Just so I have this correct: If, hypothetically speaking, Liverpool get knocked out of the Champions League by Real Madrid and finish second to Man Utd in the Premier League by let's say four points, you'd want him sacked?

Melion · 08-02-2009 01:20PM

Why would Torres "certainly" leave?

I bet when Mourinho leaves Chelsea that Drogba, Lampard, Essien and loads more will follow him. Oh wait!!

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