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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,898 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Elmo wrote: »
    ASO must happen regardless, regardless of Boxer, regardless of HD. So regardless of if we just have standard RTE ONE, TWO, TV3 and TG4 won't make those people who currently don't have the "main" English channels. Those people in those situations must upgrade. They just have to because they won't have analogue.

    Sorry that you can't see that point.

    They don't have to upgrade to DTT. They have the choice of satellite or cable as alternatives. And a DTT line-up of just the 4 terrestrials will push more and more people in that direction.

    You are right for a pay service, yes any pay service without the 4 main "english" channels won't work.

    I wasn't talking about pay services.
    Also the conference was the biggest waste of space for Irish TV Broadcaster and Produers, TV3, RTE, TG4 where absent for most of it. (RTE Radio did attend).

    TG4 and TV3 were in attendance.
    http://www.bci.ie/documents/Transcript_of_DTT_Forum_22_nov_07.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Apogee wrote: »
    They don't have to upgrade to DTT. They have the choice of satellite or cable as alternatives. And a DTT line-up of just the 4 terrestrials will push more and more people in that direction.




    I wasn't talking about pay services.



    TG4 and TV3 were in attendance.
    http://www.bci.ie/documents/Transcript_of_DTT_Forum_22_nov_07.pdf


    I didn't hear a word from either TV3 or TG4, From what I gathered they had the dinner and left. I thought you where talking about the 2008 BCI conference.

    If you are not talking about Pay TV then guess what BBC, UTV and C4 will have to pay for their positions on Irish DTT, do you think they will pay?

    Yes people have already got the choice between Satellite and Cable over Terrestrial, and it seems that the majority go for both alternatives. Terrestrial TV must be available to all regardless of line up, as is currently the case. I don't think people need to be push towards Terrestrial if they don't want it. RTÉ NL must complete ASO by 2015 regardless of line up. I am just going to disagree with everyone sorry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,898 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Elmo wrote: »
    If you are not talking about Pay TV then guess what BBC, UTV and C4 will have to pay for their positions on Irish DTT, do you think they will pay?

    Ask John Patton from C4 - he's the one who suggested they could be made freely available on DTT. And anyway, the logisitics involved in providing either HD content or the UK channels is a separate issue from your claim that "WHATS ON DTT WON'T MAKE PEOPLE TAKE IT UP".


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Straying well off-topic here, and into Terrestrial forum territory...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    icdg wrote: »
    Straying well off-topic here, and into Terrestrial forum territory...


    I think we are we are talking about the broadcasting landscape and weather or not C4, BBC or UTV could be FTA on irish DTT and weather or not this would help the take up or weather it matters if they are on the service for people in terrestrial land. This is also a question of weather or not RTE THREE or RTE ONE +1 are options for FTA DTT.

    I don't think BBC or C4 would pay to be on Irish DTT. UTV may but then this causes problems for TV3. And then their is the question of 3E and its suitablity.

    I have said since you changed the Cable & Digital TV forum that I don't like the headings. Is broadcasting not terrestrial?

    "All about Irish and British broadcasting stations and programmes"
    V
    "All about TV through your aerial, including DTT, deflectors, and analogue reception."

    Surely they should be merged? Or is Terrestrial for Technical issues only. Which would mean that discussions about would be DTT services should remain on Broadcasting rather then on Terrestrial.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭MattEmulsion


    The UK Terrestrials will not pay for their content to be on DTT (similarly to NTL cable) Boxer will pay them to carry them (and this will be reflected in the fact that you will have to pay to recieve these channels). The fact that you wont recieve UK terrestials FTA after 2012 (earlier if you are getting Welsh signals) is enough to drive you into the arms of a pay provider or else you will only have the 4 Irish channels and Oireachtas tv.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    The UK Terrestrials will not pay for their content to be on DTT (similarly to NTL cable) Boxer will pay them to carry them (and this will be reflected in the fact that you will have to pay to recieve these channels). The fact that you wont recieve UK terrestials FTA after 2012 (earlier if you are getting Welsh signals) is enough to drive you into the arms of a pay provider or else you will only have the 4 Irish channels and Oireachtas tv.

    Also IFB TV, if OTV or IFB or RTE THREE get set up.

    I am guessing 4 +1 services only and that IFBTV, OTV and RTE THREE don't see the light of day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭medoc


    Elmo wrote: »
    Also IFB TV, if OTV or IFB or RTE THREE get set up.

    I am guessing 4 +1 services only and that IFBTV, OTV and RTE THREE don't see the light of day.

    TV3 + 1 I cant wait:D. RTE 1 +1 could be handy alrite but I'd prefer a RTE3 more.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Elmo wrote: »

    "All about Irish and British broadcasting stations and programmes"
    V
    "All about TV through your aerial, including DTT, deflectors, and analogue reception."

    Surely they should be merged? Or is Terrestrial for Technical issues only. Which would mean that discussions about would be DTT services should remain on Broadcasting rather then on Terrestrial.

    I distingish here between DTT platforms and channels, discussion about channels in general (ie the existance or otherwise of an RTÉ Three) would be here, whereas a discussion specifically relating to terrestrial (ie. is RTÉ Three going to be on DTT) would be over in Terrestrial.

    My own line is that discussion on whether the UK4 are going to be on terrestrial belongs in Terrestrial, and at any rate, does NOT belong in a thread entitled "RTÉ Three".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    The UK Terrestrials will not pay for their content to be on DTT (similarly to NTL cable) Boxer will pay them to carry them (and this will be reflected in the fact that you will have to pay to recieve these channels). The fact that you wont recieve UK terrestials FTA after 2012 (earlier if you are getting Welsh signals) is enough to drive you into the arms of a pay provider or else you will only have the 4 Irish channels and Oireachtas tv.

    FTA terrestrials on satellite won't be a problem. Which is a lot easier to get. Many of the Analogue era masts are down as people swap to higher quality Digital Satellite.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 144 ✭✭geraardo


    No offence to anyone but i couldnt care less about a new irish channel they just hold no intrest for me anymore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    geraardo wrote: »
    No offence to anyone but i couldnt care less about a new irish channel they just hold no intrest for me anymore.

    And....?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Koloman


    geraardo wrote: »
    No offence to anyone but i couldnt care less about a new irish channel they just hold no intrest for me anymore.


    Are you not Irish then? The more Irish channels the better in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Why would you post on a Thread that you have no interest in, to tell people you have no interest in the subject matter? That makes no sence.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Guys, next post that does not mention the words "RTÉ Three" in it and this thread's being closed.

    Geraardo, more posts of that kind and its a 48 hour ban.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭zilog_jones


    Dunno if a third channel would be a very good solution for RTÉ but they have to sort out their scheduling whatever they do. Showing big US prime-time series after midnight on RTÉ Two is a waste of time and money IMO. I think they did a better job back in the days when it was just Aertel on view + 2FM by about 1am...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭tretle


    For those unaware RTE share the same view of boxer. They released a document publicly recently which was created in 2007 called "letter on digital switchover" where they did a very good job of analyzing other countries implementations including failures, cough itv cough cough and came to the conclusion that the majority of the service should be used for free to air.
    They even discussed the current overflow of british dtt in certain irish counties and overflow to all counties via freesat and concluded that offering the british channels over fta is best for the irish people in an ethical sense and also a business sense.
    They also stated that according to the NI peace treaty this fta transmision of irish-british channels and vice versa should be possible.
    In fact I was really surprised when reading it as RTE seem to be thinking more about the public interests than comreg or the bci.
    Although rte have not yet gone out of their way to let their views publically known through any of their mediums other than released documents I have a funny feeling that they are one of the entities that pushed for restructuring and the replacement of the bci with the bai which will be a great thing for dtt if it is the case and also a great thing for broadcasting in ireland in general in terms of content and new irish channels.
    Comreg/bci's handing over the majority of rtenl's infrastructure to boxer was a horrible mistake. The fact that tax payers money + tv liscence money has been invested in creating this new infrastructure so that a foreign privately owned company can sell us british freeview channels is a joke both unethical and from a business point of view idiotic. Its like they want to sell us bottled tap water at a premium rate.

    So guys, rte are actually decent people who tend to look out for us better then the organizations set up for that very purpose.
    [ Edit Mod ]
    Out of interest over the current situation and series of events inclusing the hiatus of boxer, views in that document and the removal of the bci(Broadcasting Commision Of Ireland) in favour of BAi(Broadcasting Assosiation Ireland) I have sent an email to rte asking for more information regarding their current stance on the situation and the lack of public awareness.. I'll keep u posted when I get a reply.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Dunno if a third channel would be a very good solution for RTÉ but they have to sort out their scheduling whatever they do. Showing big US prime-time series after midnight on RTÉ Two is a waste of time and money IMO. I think they did a better job back in the days when it was just Aertel on view + 2FM by about 1am...

    I was just looking at the late night schedule across RTE 1 + 2 no reason why those shows couldn't be broadcast in prime time RTE 3. I know I said this before but I just wanted to repeat myself :)
    They even discussed the current overflow of british dtt in certain irish counties and overflow to all counties via freesat and concluded that offering the british channels over fta is best for the irish people in an ethical sense and also a business sense.

    I have no problem with FTA british channels in Ireland however either the pay to be on DTT here or the let RTE, TV3 and TG4 on FREEVIEW in NI for free.

    I don't think all Freeview channels should be available on Irish DTT rather precedence should be given to new Irish channels coming from new Irish companies with some Irish interest on them. The amount of money leaving Ireland to UK company through Advertising Revenue isn't helpful for the Irish industry IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭tretle


    Either is giving 3/4 of the infrastructure to a sweedish private company to charge us for something which we should legally be able to provide for free.
    I think it should be swicthed to 3/4's used for public service and 1/4 used for comercial. Boxers current business plan is going to fail anyway, if they were given 1/3 of what they have and used it correctly a wisely by offering channels which people wouldnt have a problem paying for like pay to view movie and sports channels there wouldnt be a problem.
    And currently using just one mux for public service doesnt offer much room for expansion for rte or any new irish company to offer channels on fta terms.
    I do agree though that more irish companies should be urged to get into the business and offer more choice for irish programming.
    The way I see it as long as they get the mux's right and use 3/4 for public service than this can enable both irish companies to offer solutions and british so we would have the best of both worlds. If they dont get it right then it wont improve or media infrastructure. I am not saying that we need irish tv shopping channels, but we do need more competition for irish television disregarding british fta. RTE shouldnt createn another 10 channels because the content would be scattered and most likely poor but a new irish company trying to prove there worth might be able to create a great alternative to rte programming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Koloman


    Elmo wrote: »
    I was just looking at the late night schedule across RTE 1 + 2 no reason why those shows couldn't be broadcast in prime time RTE 3. I know I said this before but I just wanted to repeat myself :)



    I have no problem with FTA british channels in Ireland however either the pay to be on DTT here or the let RTE, TV3 and TG4 on FREEVIEW in NI for free.

    I don't think all Freeview channels should be available on Irish DTT rather precedence should be given to new Irish channels coming from new Irish companies with some Irish interest on them. The amount of money leaving Ireland to UK company through Advertising Revenue isn't helpful for the Irish industry IMO.

    I have always hated the way Sky and UTV etc.. can have Irish specific advertising. It would be different if these channels had some Irish content, but they don't so it's valuble advertising money going out of the country.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Koloman wrote: »
    I have always hated the way Sky and UTV etc.. can have Irish specific advertising. It would be different if these channels had some Irish content, but they don't so it's valuble advertising money going out of the country.

    Yeah Channel 4 (while an impressive station) consider Ireland a bit of a "freebie" with regards advertising and any requirements that they have to Ireland. However they have produced some Films and Programming here plus more recently have been happy to take BCI funding for some of their films, so I guess I cannot give out about C4.

    I asked a few people in the UK about Sky they didn't see an issue with them spending millions on Lost and 24 rather then making British TV shows. I am sure sky could produce some drama (I don't mean Dreamteam) but they are commercial so they get away with the US programming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Koloman


    My memory is a bit hazy on the following, but didn't the EU about 10/15 years ago have some proposal to restrict the amount of non EU programmes been broadcast by European broadcasters that would of hit the US programme makers especially? Was this proposal for terrestrial broadcasters only or both satellite and terrestrial? If this had happened then Sky might of had a bit of a problem!biggrin.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Koloman wrote: »
    My memory is a bit hazy on the following, but didn't the EU about 10/15 years ago have some proposal to restrict the amount of non EU programmes been broadcast by European broadcasters that would of hit the US programme makers especially? Was this proposal for terrestrial broadcasters only or both satellite and terrestrial? If this had happened then Sky might of had a bit of a problem!biggrin.gif

    I don't really know how it works out for Sky TBH. But all EU broadcasters are supposed to provide 50% of imports must be from Europe ("Where practicable"). TV3 do this with ITV programming (not very hard, I haven't seen any French programming on TV3). RTÉ and TG4 seem not to have this quota applied to them for some reason. Same goes for the main English channels.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Did I say something about posts not mentioning RTÉ Three.

    I'll hold off on the bans, but this is the end for this thread. Discuss Boxer over in Terrestrial on one of the many threads about it there.

    Tretle: Watty edited your post earlier and I have made some further edits. While I did not see the original version your post contained not only factually incorrect items (the BCI has not, as of yet, been dissolved, indeed the proposed Broadcasting Authority of Ireland will be developed out of the BCI) the allegations regarding the Commission for Communications Regulation bordered on libelous and needed to be removed. Remember libel and slander operate here.


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