Arsenal Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

wandatowell · 02-02-2009 09:22AM

SSN have been stalking Arshavin at his hotel in London this morning, so good news is to be expected later.

There's also talk of a "mystery club" making moves for Veloso

Lets hope wenger knows where he left his cheque book

Wreck · 02-02-2009 09:36AM

Galvasean wrote: »

Dvid Dein states obvious:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7863576.stm

While I didn't agree with his manuevering the club into the proposed take over, I think we really are missing Dein's influence in the club, and what we are seeing on the pitch is partly the result of his departure.

No mention of an Arshavin deal on the BBC website, but there this little nugget, giving me some (undoubtedlty false) hope :pac:

BBC Gossip Column wrote:

Bolton's £15m bid for Miguel Veloso was rejected on Sunday night after a mystery Premier League club joined the race for Sporting Lisbon's Portuguese midfielder.

Royale with Cheese · 02-02-2009 09:50AM

The Arshavin deal is off according to SSN.

wandatowell · 02-02-2009 09:59AM

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

The Arshavin deal is off according to SSN.

HOLY ****!

ffs, just caught a quick sight of this as SSN went to an add break, you just gotta laugh at this story if its true.

Headshot · 02-02-2009 10:07AM

Its pretty bad Arsenal can't afford 15 million tbh

wandatowell · 02-02-2009 10:09AM

apparently they only offered the player half of what he's currently earning at zenit.

Quazzie · 02-02-2009 10:11AM

wandatowell wrote: »

apparently they only offered the player half of what he's currently earning at zenit.

He is on €100k a week at Zentih. Arsenal were never gonna match that figure.

Royale with Cheese · 02-02-2009 10:11AM

wandatowell wrote: »

apparently they only offered the player half of what he's currently earning at zenit.

I dunno why they bothered bidding for him if that's all they were prepared to offer.

keano_afc · 02-02-2009 10:12AM

We couldnt afford his wage demands apparently. If we get Veloso instead I wont mind

Royale with Cheese · 02-02-2009 10:13AM

keano_afc wrote: »

We couldnt afford his wage demands apparently. If we get Veloso instead I wont mind

Seeing as Bolton bid £15m for him and failed I wouldn't expect that deal to happen.

wandatowell · 02-02-2009 10:20AM

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

He is on €100k a week at Zentih. Arsenal were never gonna match that figure.

Which is fair enough, im pretty sure £80k a week is the limit Arsenal work
at but I just want to echo what Royale said down below

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

I dunno why they bothered bidding for him if that's all they were prepared to offer.

Why bother really?????? Surly Arsenal have been in contact with the players agent at sometime over the last 30 days to sound out a ballpark figure of what the player wants.

And for a deal to fall apart at this late stage is nothing short of a joke.

keano_afc · 02-02-2009 10:20AM

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Seeing as Bolton bid £15m for him and failed I wouldn't expect that deal to happen.

Was it not in the summer last year that the board said they would spend £30 million on player if AW wanted him? Time to back that up methinks.

Royale with Cheese · 02-02-2009 10:24AM

keano_afc wrote: »

Was it not in the summer last year that the board said they would spend £30 million on player if AW wanted him? Time to back that up methinks.

I'm thinking some money will be set aside for next year in the event that Arsenal don't qualify for the Champions League. I just can't see Arsenal not doing that after all these years of financial prudence. If they do qualify it'd be turned into the summer transfer budget.

If there was really £30m the Arshavin deal wouldn't have stalled.

leninbenjamin · 02-02-2009 10:27AM

I think the deal fell apart over the structuring of the payment. Zenit apparently wanted it all up front, which is a bit ridiculous tbh, there are very few clubs who are in a position to offer that amount of cash in one go without taking out a high interest short term loan. Given Arsenal's current debt with the Emirates they were never going to borrow excessively for this deal.

Mitch Connor · 02-02-2009 10:32AM

leninbenjamin wrote: »

I think the deal fell apart over the structuring of the payment. Zenit apparently wanted it all up front, which is a bit ridiculous tbh, there are very few clubs who are in a position to offer that amount of cash in one go without taking out a high interest short term loan. Given Arsenal's current debt with the Emirates they were never going to borrow excessively for this deal.

My understanding is that they wanted 15million up front in terms of on straight fee - while Arsenal were offering 12million plus 3 million in performance related fees.

wandatowell · 02-02-2009 10:39AM

Arsene Wenger after the match at the weekend

"We can of course compete financially"

If the transfer is infact off does anybody else think Wenger talks out of his "Arsene" i dunno 90% of the time?

Mossy Monk · 02-02-2009 11:09AM

Spend all month trying to sign a player and then it falls at wages

****ing hell :mad:

keano_afc · 02-02-2009 11:27AM

Latest news is that Arshavin has failed his medical. You can but laugh.

itsjaybud · 02-02-2009 11:45AM

This Arshavin deal has been a complete joke and if we don't sign a new player i really will have lost hope and confidence in Arsenal winning the battle with villa to secure 4th spot this season.

Arshavin may aswell jump on a plane to Manchester and let city give him 150k a week.

So frustrating.......

Quazzie · 02-02-2009 11:46AM

I heard Arsenal are in for Didier Baptiste

Royale with Cheese · 02-02-2009 11:49AM

Cardiff game tomorrow is postponed. Van Persie rested for no reason on Saturday then.

keano_afc · 02-02-2009 12:12PM

The failed medical story is untrue apparently. Talks are "ongoing". I hate that word.

redout · 02-02-2009 12:15PM

Sky Sports are saying he is on his way back to the airport after failing to agree wages.

A Primal Nut · 02-02-2009 12:18PM

This makes no sense - they've had a month to talk about this stuff on the phone and email - would they really wait till he flies over on the final day to sort out the wages or fee? The only thing I can think of is a failed medical.

I used to wonder why we were interested in Arshavin - it seemed like a short-term solution to Fabregas' injury. However I think what he is doing is removing our dependance on him for creativity which has become all too apparent in few games i've been watching lately - we've been great defensive lately and Diaby was brilliant on Saturday - can't believe Parker got MOM - Diaby won the ball straight back every time West Ham got it. Our defense has been great too and haven't conceded many goals. Its no co-incidence most of our goals have come late in games - when we resort to Jack Charlton style hoofin-the ball up the park to Adebayor or Bendtner. With those two plus Van Persie we have good enough finishers to make it work. Thats why we haven't scored from open play before the 80th minute in our last 5 league games and 6 of the last 7 games overall. Without Fabregas the Arsene Wenger way doesn't work so I say "Get Jack Charlton in":D. Seriously, we'd have a better chance if we did that for the whole match instead of the last ten minutes.

Look at United - they have a great defensive record too but the difference is they've been winning games 1-0 whereas we've drawn a couple 0-0 and 1-1. The 0-0 draws against Cardiff and West Ham (63% possession)were just disgraceful. The extra money we pay for Arshavin will be worth it if his creativity gets us into the Champions League as without it we would lose even more money. Plus Fabregas, Wolcott and Van Persie. What are they gonna think about Arsenal's ambition if we are nit-picking over paying 3 million out of 15 million up front. At least selling some stars might allow us pay back our stadium loans a bit quicker.:pac:

wandatowell · 02-02-2009 12:49PM

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Cardiff game tomorrow is postponed. Van Persie rested for no reason on Saturday then.

3 inch's of snow and the country shuts down,

HORRIBLE ****IN DAY

*edit came across these pics from the grove

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/emirates-stadium-in-the-snow?image=1

Wreck · 02-02-2009 12:51PM

Lads I'd stop jumping to conclusions over the Arshavin transfer based on SSN - most of the time these guys just make up their own headlines based on what they hear from some random punter.

A couple of things are certain though, Arsenal will not break the wage structure for him, and both he and his agent would have been made fully aware of this from the get go. Also, if Zenit are actually asking for 15 million cash up front then its pretty ridiculous and its quite possible that the club would be unable to lay their hands on that much cash at short notice. If Zenit need cash that badly I'm pretty sure they'll take the 12 million plus performance related fees once its clear Arsenal are going to stump up the extra.

I'd say its pretty likely that this deal will go through.

wandatowell · 02-02-2009 12:52PM

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Thats why we haven't scored from open play before the 80th minute in our last 5 league games and 6 of the last 7 games overall

Quite a scary statistic it must be said

A Primal Nut · 02-02-2009 01:06PM

Haha this is hilarious:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/feb/02/andrei-arshavin-arsenal-transfer-breakdown

"What has been the problem with this deal? Money as always. The Russians are [unrealistic] and how can Arsenal offer less than £15m and half of Arshavin's contract?

So half of Arshavin's contract is 50,000 a week, still a reasonable amount of money....

"They thought they could pull this off by saying we are a big club, this is a nice country, all that stuff. But he's not a 16-year-old from Africa. The life in England is more expensive - a car, a house, it's all more expensive in London, and he has to bring his family. He has one kid who is three years old, another who is one year old. It's ridiculous."

Yeah the poor lad...he has two young kids and Arsenal expect him to bring them up on 50,000 a week. In an expensive city like London. :eek: Rediculous.

In fairness, I can understand him not wanting to sell himself short and take such a big cut in wages. But playing the "I have two young kids" sympathy card. Come on!

A Primal Nut · 02-02-2009 01:07PM

wandatowell wrote: »

Quite a scary statistic it must be said

Yep, proving the only way a Fabregas-less Arsenal can score is hoof up the park tactics. Scary.

Wreck · 02-02-2009 01:10PM

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Haha this is hilarious:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/feb/02/andrei-arshavin-arsenal-transfer-breakdown

So half of Arshavin's contract is 50,000 a week, still a reasonable amount of money....

Yeah the poor lad...he has two young kids and Arsenal expect him to bring them up on 50,000 a week. In an expensive city like London. :eek: Rediculous.

In fairness, I can understand him not wanting to sell himself short and take such a big cut in wages. But playing the "I have two young kids" sympathy card. Come on!

You missed the best bit of this crap

Arsenal have been making big waves by saying this would be the big historic transfer in the history of the Gunners.

Lol

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