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Stercus Accidit · 29-01-2009 10:25PM

I don't like being associated with DOC and his butt obsession.

G3-Nut · 30-01-2009 02:01AM

quite the paintob for you MC heads

Stercus Accidit · 30-01-2009 12:11PM

box mag rapes g36 shocker

ACW · 30-01-2009 12:22PM

Question: Why, despite the Bull pub configuration being tactically and technically superior to the standard rifle layout, do so many people have the hate for it?

NakedDex · 30-01-2009 12:38PM

Same reason the Abrams tank uses a smoothbore cannon and a jet engine instead of the Challenger II's superior rifled barrel and diesel engine; people are set in there ways and prefer familiar things to the unexpected. Also, bullpups tend to not look quite as aggresive as other rifles due to a smaller profile and encased body.

TheDoc · 30-01-2009 12:47PM

ACW wrote: »

Question: Why, despite the Bull pub configuration being tactically and technically superior to the standard rifle layout, do so many people have the hate for it?

I*n airsoft?

Well the Army l85 was a brutal airsoft piece, and not to mention its a horrible rifle lookiwise.

But also, in actual use, it was horrible in the real world. I remember reading about it being total fail and just horrible to use.

The steyr aug isnt too bad, its just i hate the trigger mech on it. The front grip is woefully flimsy and it just doesnt appeal to me.

Plus id argue it being superior to other rifles in airsoft

NakedDex · 30-01-2009 12:58PM

Yes and no. The L85A1, made by Enfield was terrible, suffered woeful jamming problems etc. The L85A2, however was redesigned and overhauled by H&K and turned into a fantastic rifle by all accounts, solving all previous problems.

The trigger mech on the AUG in airsoft, isn't quite like the real one. It's a shame they don't come with the ALO built in as it would solve all those issues with it's two-stage pull.

The bullpup is technically superior. Similar or greater barrel length in a smaller package, better balance etc. But then again, the G11 with it's caseless ammo and recoil dampers is also superior. Whether it's more or less effective depends on the user, and therein lies the secret as to why people like or dislike them: comfort and familiarity.

ACW · 30-01-2009 12:58PM

I was talking in airsoft, as to discuss the real steel may incure wrath of Moderators. But quickly for the Real life disagreement and to clear it up.

The SA80 was another example of MOD Fail.

Styer, FAMAS, Tavor TAR-21 etc are all highly thought of in real life.

In airsoft, aren't their barrel lenghts as long if not longer than standard styles, while the rifles are shorter (and ergo more tactically sound).

Stercus Accidit · 30-01-2009 01:21PM

Its a bit easier to re-load a regular configuration than a bull pup also.

I find it easier at least, and a bit quicker.

NakedDex · 30-01-2009 01:32PM

I find the L85 a tax awkward to reload, but the Steyr I find to be very easy. It depends strongly on the magwell configuration on any rifle. For example, I find rock-in mags to be a pain, but some prefer them because they find them easier. That's why I always say, before someone buys a rifle, they should get a grip of it first and see if it suits them.

Stercus Accidit · 30-01-2009 01:39PM

I love rock ins, but did find them awkward to begin with.

Its kid of the charm of them, you have to get a good technique going to do it really quickly, but there is a definite point where they are seated in, so no need to slap the base of the mag to ensure its seated.

In a rush, you can also knock out an empty mag with a fresh one just by whacking the mag release with the new mag. Great craic with mids in a firefight, looks cool too!

I had an aug briefly, and the reloads weren't awful, but definitely took some getting used to.

zero19 · 30-01-2009 01:44PM

I do like rock ins myself, getting a Sig 552 next week to replace my AK for a while wanted a similarish mag type as i'm so used to AK mags now (and didn't want an armalite in the end!)

Stercus Accidit · 30-01-2009 01:50PM

Not a fan of sigs, the airsoft ones anyway, very plasticy and toy like.

JG and TM models.

Had a mess with the JG 550 or whatever the long on is, not impressed at all.

Maybe get a hk416? Good respectable piece and not an epic fail in RS.

kdouglas · 30-01-2009 03:01PM

I find the Steyr AUG uncomfortable to shoulder and impossible to do any kind of reasonably quick mag changes on.

The L85a2 is a bit better, but still find it awkward to do mag changes.

The Tavor... looks pretty good, haven't held one but I'd imagine it'd be a similar problem with mag changes.

The P90 on the other hand, which people sometimes forget is infact a bullpup, I use regularly and absolutely love, it's bullpup so you've got a longer than apparent barrel length in a small package, and the mag changes are very very easy and quick to do.

More specifically, the airsoft p90 is probably one of the best airsoft guns in terms of range and accuracy and much smaller and compact than most.

G3-Nut · 30-01-2009 04:40PM

ACW wrote: »

Question: Why, despite the Bull pub configuration being tactically and technically superior to the standard rifle layout, do so many people have the hate for it?

youre wrong there mate...the bulp up configuration is only technicaly superior...tactically it is not in many aspects...like i said bulp up i s a hype...everyone went nuts about its pros and completely ignored its cons...same reason why a majority of rangers prefer to field the HK33 rather than the AUG...same reason the sas ditched the SA80 even after its reliability issue was fixed...bulp up has as many disadvantages as advantages....and some of its advantages are not even practical...the royal marines in iraq say that in a firefight when wearing full combat kit they are having nightmarish issues about having to reload as the kit on youre chest gets in the way of reloading...also there has been 14 injuries in A-stan due to the way the bulp up rifles have to be reloaded when in the prone position, as it leaves the users arm exposed...Bulp-up and Standard configuration are at an even standstill at the moment, the only advantage of bulp-up is in semi auto sniper rifles...as the user is skilled enough to make proper use of the longer barrell for overall lenght...

wow that was a rant:pac:

DisasterIRL · 30-01-2009 04:47PM

That's why the P90 is such a clever and useful design, not near as many of the bulpup cons

G3-Nut · 30-01-2009 04:49PM

DisasterIRL wrote: »

That's why the P90 is such a clever and useful design, not near as many of the bulpup cons

I think the reloading issue is the reson the put the mag up on top!

ACW · 30-01-2009 04:54PM

As a MilSimer (which isn't the same a live real fire combat zone I know), I have found the shorter profile and better weigh balance to be huge advantages. I have never had a problem reloading in prone, but true, I have never had grenades strapped to my chest!

G3-Nut · 30-01-2009 05:01PM

I dont think bulp up is a bad design...IT has many advantages as disadvantages...but that is..its not better in every single way like people think....And i am already familiar with the standard design so that kind of leaves me to stick with it lol.... skirmishing, i dont see any advantages a bulp up has ever me...considerinfg the G3 normally still has a longer barrel lol:p

CrazyRabbit · 30-01-2009 05:07PM

<---pops in.

Opps, thought this was the off topic thread.

<---pops out.

OzCam · 30-01-2009 05:14PM

Don't worry, it'll be going back off-topic soon enough. I'm working on something...

G3-Nut · 30-01-2009 05:28PM

any of you heard of the stalker themed event held in chernobyl...must have been awesome

ACW · 30-01-2009 05:35PM

Damn. Foiled by you pesky kids.

Almost had a real conversation going!

Busta Hyman · 30-01-2009 07:24PM

i think the bull pup besign is the rifle equiv of being "good with colours"

G3-Nut · 30-01-2009 07:30PM

guys please correct me if im going insane but im getting a temptation to paint a shark head type thing on my G3's stock....you know the way old WW2 planes yoused to have...i9 always wanted to do it but never really did
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Busta Hyman · 30-01-2009 07:37PM

might look a bit better on the foregrip just b4 the barrell

Gatling · 31-01-2009 06:27AM

a ghost image on the stock would be pretty damn cool ,

ah what heck bullpups look ok ,famas over the aug ,P90 over them all as kd said almost perfect package

best looking bullpup has to be the Magpul PDR hoping this goes into airsoft production

TheDoc · 31-01-2009 02:10PM

kdouglas wrote: »

More specifically, the airsoft p90 is probably one of the best airsoft guns in terms of range and accuracy and much smaller and compact than most.

My m16 disagrees...

Hivemind187 · 31-01-2009 02:20PM

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote: »

My m16 disagrees...

Your M16 is a second class citizen and not entitled to an opinion when it should be raking my lawn.

Turncoat · 31-01-2009 02:38PM

There were a couple of airsofters at the WRC in Leitrim(after the 2 car crashes) yesterday. There was a guy in full flecktarn and another in British DPM

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