The Problem with Rafa Benitez...

The Chessplayer · 22-01-2009 12:33PM #1

Obviously the draw against Everton would not be such a big deal if Benitez had not inflicted the following home draw crimes-against-humanity on us:

Hull, Fulham, West Ham, and ...shudder Stoke City (Kuyt up front).

I, like many others, consider Lucas, Kuyt and Dossena to be 3 of the most unworthy players to have ever weighed in at Liverpool with a fee. You'd have to go back as far as Souness's calamitous transfer dealings, to find the likes of Paul Stewart and Istvan Kosma, but at least Souness would quickly consign these lads to the reserves. Houllier, too, bought many many comedy club type players such as Salif Diao but rarely persisted with them.

Benitez's pig-headedness in contract wranglings are really p!ssing me off. I would not be happy to have him 100% in control of the transfer budget. If he walks, then so be it.

Who would replace him?
They say MO'N wouldn't be interested, and I'm not sure we could get Mourinho...

Savman · 22-01-2009 12:38PM

Hardly worthy of a thread of its own?

PiE · 22-01-2009 12:43PM

Oh dear.

22-01-2009 12:43PM

I thought KUYT was playing well this season?

Chardee MacDennis · 22-01-2009 12:45PM

there is already a liverpool thread.

now to your post:

1. you obviously know nothing of the background regarding rafas contract demands
2. forget Houllier did we? Dossena, Lucas and Kuyt are much better than 90% of the dross Houllier bought, just coz you were 12 at the time and dont remember it. Also at any time we can sell Lucas and Dossena both who are highly respected in Italy, and considering the gossip this morning it seems Juve have an eye on Kuyt.
3. MON really? not to insult any villa fans coz he is a good coach but he is not better than Rafa Beitez and has never done anything to prove himself better.

its liverpool fans like you that dont know how well the club is run due to Rafa alone and how much damage it would do to us if he left, that are gonna end up pushing him out.

there should be an exam about footballing knowledge before you are given access to Soccer...

EDIT: as great a coach Mourinho is, it says a lot about you that you would consider him as a future manager consider the crap he has said about liverpool before and the way he acts is not becoming of a liverpool manager tbh. suppose you read The Sun too?

herbieflowers · 22-01-2009 12:47PM

do people ever get tired of harping on about Benitez and Liverpool on this forum?

Boggles · 22-01-2009 12:49PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Benitez's pig-headedness in contract wranglings are really p!ssing me off. I would not be happy to have him 100% in control of the transfer budget. If he walks, then so be it.

What does 100 percent control of the transfer budget mean?

He doesn't have to discuss the transfers with members of the board?

I don't think any manager has 100% control, all transfers have to sanctioned and justified tbh.

NabyLadistheman · 22-01-2009 12:50PM

623 posts, I hope they all weren't has **** as what you've written in this thread

Karmafaerie · 22-01-2009 12:51PM

The problem with Rafa Benitez........is idiotic threads like this!!!:rolleyes:

Reganio 2 · 22-01-2009 12:54PM

No wonder we Liverpool fans get a bad rep

The Chessplayer · 22-01-2009 12:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought KUYT was playing well this season?

Honestly?

whatawaster · 22-01-2009 12:55PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Obviously the draw against Everton would not be such a big deal if Benitez had not inflicted the following home draw crimes-against-humanity on us:

Hull, Fulham, West Ham, and ...shudder Stoke City (Kuyt up front).

I, like many others, consider Lucas, Kuyt and Dossena to be 3 of the most unworthy players to have ever weighed in at Liverpool with a fee. You'd have to go back as far as Souness's calamitous transfer dealings, to find the likes of Paul Stewart and Istvan Kosma, but at least Souness would quickly consign these lads to the reserves. Houllier, too, bought many many comedy club type players such as Salif Diao but rarely persisted with them.

Benitez's pig-headedness in contract wranglings are really p!ssing me off. I would not be happy to have him 100% in control of the transfer budget. If he walks, then so be it.

Who would replace him?
They say MO'N wouldn't be interested, and I'm not sure we could get Mourinho...

If you think Martin O'Neill is a better manager than Rafa you need your head examined.
Kuyt has had a very good season. I was at the game on Monday night and he was definitely our best player. Sure he did things wrong, gave the ball away a couple of times, but he really sets the tempo for the team with his work rate. Watch the games against Chelsea and United again. Watch our home tie against Chelsea in last years CL semi final, the second half of the quarter final against Arsenal. 4 of our best performances in the last year and Kuyt was fantastic in all of them.
Dossena has been rubbish but has only been here a couple of months.
Lucas is still only 21 and was excellent in the games preceding the stoke match. IMO he was our best player against PSV and up there with Gerrard against Newcastle. Sure he's very inconsistent and can get muscled off the ball but to name him among the worst ever Liverpool players is absolute nonsense. And then you put his name in bold to further the insult. One thing you always notice about Lucas is that he never shies away from things, always looks to receive the ball and he works incredibly hard for the team. He was practically booed off the pitch by the idiots amongst our support, but he showed great character with his performances following that game.

Headshot · 22-01-2009 12:57PM

Liverpool are second in the league

1.......Man Utd.... 21.... 47
2...... Liverpool.... 22.... 47

stupid thread

Chardee MacDennis · 22-01-2009 12:57PM

whatawaster wrote: »

He was practically booed off the pitch by the idiots amongst our support

hmm i see a link here....

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

Liverpool are second in the league

1.......Man Utd.... 21.... 47
2...... Liverpool.... 22.... 47

Stats? dont come here with your stats! Rafa is clearly not the man for the job! I mean at the start of the season Liverpool fans wanted a title challenge, but our expectations are so much higher after 22 games of football, we should be 19 points ahead of united, with 66 points after 22 wins of course. Liverpool are clearly the best team in England, ney the world and Rafa has just been holding us back for the last 4 years....

Boggles · 22-01-2009 01:03PM

whatawaster wrote: »

Lucas is still only 21

22

ntlbell · 22-01-2009 01:03PM

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

Liverpool are second in the league

1.......Man Utd.... 21.... 47
2...... Liverpool.... 22.... 47

I think when people show this they forget the amount of injury's we've had during the season also

remove the equivalent of owen,wes and scholes from the pool.

would they be there? i doubt it.

deadhead13 · 22-01-2009 01:04PM

No club has a divine right to win the league. Look at the squad of players he inherited fron Houilier. Then compare liverpools spending power over the last 5 years to that man utd and chelsea. The fact we are competing at all is a testament to Rafa.

The Chessplayer · 22-01-2009 01:06PM

BastardPrince wrote: »

2. forget Houllier did we? Dossena, Lucas and Kuyt are much better than 90% of the dross Houllier bought, just coz you were 12 at the time and dont remember it. Also at any time we can sell Lucas and Dossena both who are highly respected in Italy, and considering the gossip this morning it seems Juve have an eye on Kuyt.
3. MON really? not to insult any villa fans coz he is a good coach but he is not better than Rafa Beitez and has never done anything to prove himself better.

its liverpool fans like you that dont know how well the club is run due to Rafa alone and how much damage it would do to us if he left, that are gonna end up pushing him out.

there should be an exam about footballing knowledge before you are given access to Soccer...

EDIT: as great a coach Mourinho is, it says a lot about you that you would consider him as a future manager consider the crap he has said about liverpool before and the way he acts is not becoming of a liverpool manager tbh. suppose you read The Sun too?

Take that spoon out of Rafa's ass!!!

I know there is already a LFC thread but this is a specific issue.

On Houllier, I could not even begin to sift through the dozens of awful signings.

I'm sure Dosenna and Lucas could be sold to clubs in Italy, what is your point? Dosser is competing against a few other poor full backs, but Lucas (a truly awful player) actually gets games while other competent fully-fit midfielders miss out.

I really doubt the Juve-Kuyt report. Dirk Kuyt couldn't possibly be deemed a serious replacement for Nedved!!! That's like replacing Steven Gerrard with John O'Shea!!!

MO'N is a great manager. No football person would ever say otherwise, and he's a cut about Benitez.

No I don't read the sun. I'm not a fan of Mourinho, but his antics would be welcome in comparison to Rafa's erratic tactical behaviour. Mourinho is a prat, yes. I'm just putting names out there.

Football exam: I certainly agree with that. There is no way you would pass though, unless you set it yourself.

eagle eye · 22-01-2009 01:07PM

jesus_thats_gre · 22-01-2009 01:08PM

There are so many inaccuracies in your posts that I can't be bothered addressing them.. Quite simply, you are wrong.

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

deisedevil · 22-01-2009 01:09PM

If Rafa had not won the CL would he still be manager now?

If he doesn't bring Liverpool to the PL title or a CL title this season do you think he should stay?

Just wondering.

22-01-2009 01:09PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Honestly?

5 goals,three assists and is a workhorse.I thought he was ****e last season.

The Chessplayer · 22-01-2009 01:11PM

whatawaster wrote: »

If you think Martin O'Neill is a better manager than Rafa you need your head examined.
Kuyt has had a very good season. I was at the game on Monday night and he was definitely our best player. Sure he did things wrong, gave the ball away a couple of times, but he really sets the tempo for the team with his work rate. Watch the games against Chelsea and United again. Watch our home tie against Chelsea in last years CL semi final, the second half of the quarter final against Arsenal. 4 of our best performances in the last year and Kuyt was fantastic in all of them.
Dossena has been rubbish but has only been here a couple of months.
Lucas is still only 21 and was excellent in the games preceding the stoke match. IMO he was our best player against PSV and up there with Gerrard against Newcastle. Sure he's very inconsistent and can get muscled off the ball but to name him among the worst ever Liverpool players is absolute nonsense. And then you put his name in bold to further the insult. One thing you always notice about Lucas is that he never shies away from things, always looks to receive the ball and he works incredibly hard for the team. He was practically booed off the pitch by the idiots amongst our support, but he showed great character with his performances following that game.

Sorry to clog this thread but I have to answer them all...

MO'N is a class act. Surely Utd have their eye on him as a longterm replacement for Sir Rednose.

Look, I know Lucas is only 21 and I'm sure he will become a good player with time. We can't be blooding youngsters in this manner though.

I wasn't at the derby but I was watching it and Kuyt to be the best player did not say alot. We were atrocious, and wasn't Kuyt on the right wing??? How many balls did he whip in? Zero.

The Chessplayer · 22-01-2009 01:12PM

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

There are so many inaccuracies in your posts that I can't be bothered addressing them.. Quite simply, you are wrong.

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

Is this not "trolling"? Pathetic post.

jesus_thats_gre · 22-01-2009 01:13PM

deisedevil wrote: »

If Rafa had not won the CL would he still be manager now?

Alot of ifs in your post..

It is impossible to know what would have happened if he didn't win the CL. If he didn't win it, he might have refocused his attentions to the likes of the FA or League Cup to make sure that the club was still winning trophies.

If the last 4 odd years remained identical, it is very possible that he might not still be there. It doesn't really mean anything though.

deisedevil wrote: »

If he doesn't bring Liverpool to the PL title or a CL title this season do you think he should stay?

Yes.

Highsider · 22-01-2009 01:13PM

liverpool joint top and into the final 16 of the champions league (again)...rafa out :rolleyes:

Highsider · 22-01-2009 01:14PM

deisedevil wrote: »

If Rafa had not won the CL would he still be manager now?

If he doesn't bring Liverpool to the PL title or a CL title this season do you think he should stay?

Just wondering.

Yes

Latchy · 22-01-2009 01:14PM

The question remains ,was Robbie Keane a bad buy by Rafa ?

Boggles · 22-01-2009 01:15PM

Highsider wrote: »

liverpool joint top and into the final 16 of the champions league (again)...rafa out :rolleyes:

Their second.

ntlbell · 22-01-2009 01:15PM

Highsider wrote: »

liverpool joint top and into the final 16 of the champions league (again)...rafa out :rolleyes:

why do people keep saying things like this

jose two prem titles back to back two cl semi's - gone.

grant cl final second in the leage - gone.

evil_seed · 22-01-2009 01:16PM

.... was his kidney stones. But he had operations to have them removed. Lock thread please

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