Words fail me..

UnitedIrishman · 25-12-2008 05:24PM

SligoBrewer wrote: »

You should do what the rest of us do, even us culchies.

1)Pick up a map.
2)Look and see which ground is closest to you.
3)Pick the club belonging to that ground.

Sorted.

You'll have the best sustainable standard of football possible beside you.
And not some ****ing stupid FC Celtic United del Eire going on to drag this back on topic. We are not ****ing Monaco.

It's what I've done. It's what every football supporter should do.

That's probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Do people choose their wives by finding the nearest woman to them and staying with them forever and ever despite the fact they don't actually love them?

Look its like this, I've supported United since I was born basically (the aul lad even named me after a former player unbeknown to the aul lady), and that's the way it will forever stay.

If ye all want to have the big "lolllzzz i'm a biggest fanz ever in the world!!!" competition then ye should probably do it elsewhere, or I'll go elsewhere to discuss football. I came on these boards to talk about football and exchange opinions about football, not on who is a better football fan or who isn't.

A lot of you guys would want to get your heads out of your arses, really.

Xavi6 · 25-12-2008 05:27PM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

If ye all want to have the big "lolllzzz i'm a biggest fanz ever in the world!!!" competition then ye should probably do it elsewhere, or I'll go elsewhere to discuss football. I came on these boards to talk about football and exchange opinions about football, not on who is a better football fan or who isn't.

A lot of you guys would want to get your heads out of your arses, really.

To be fair, you don't actually have to read/reply to these threads.

scruff321 · 25-12-2008 06:57PM

id have an interest in LOI also in spainish and EPL but would only watch the matches on tele,although i live in Dublin i dont have a LOI team in my locality id like to support Pats but dont drive and tbh there not worth a bus and luas journey so i suppose il just sit on my couch so :pac: i agree with what eirebhoy has been saying amd i feel the same i dont have a team in my locality,i wasnt brought up going to LOI matches (although i attend every Ireland match) my interest in Pats is purely random and i already play football for my local team i find its just not worth the hassle..

DSB · 25-12-2008 09:08PM

scruff321 wrote: »

id have an interest in LOI also in spainish and EPL but would only watch the matches on tele,although i live in Dublin i dont have a LOI team in my locality id like to support Pats but dont drive and tbh there not worth a bus and luas journey so i suppose il just sit on my couch so :pac: i agree with what eirebhoy has been saying amd i feel the same i dont have a team in my locality,i wasnt brought up going to LOI matches (although i attend every Ireland match) my interest in Pats is purely random and i already play football for my local team i find its just not worth the hassle..

Give it a chance man, it might not be for you. But go in with an open mind, and you might find you like it. I wasn't born a Shels fan, I've no family who are,and I'd no friends who were. I only got into it during my teenage years, by just deciding I was gonna give it a go. I don't live THAT near to Tolka either. Bout a 25-30 minutes drive. Constantly I hear people say they gave it a chance, and didn't like it, but typically I reckon that constitutes going to a match with a superior attitude and being pleased to decide that they're right when they notice the smallest thing that doesn't take their fancy, like noticing a lad in a trackie with a new age mullet. This isn't meant in a condescending way, but theres no way supporting a TV from the couch can bring the same highs that being a real part of the club can.

Ps. Forget Pats, leg it out to Tolka:D

pablomakaveli · 26-12-2008 01:22AM

DSB wrote: »

Give it a chance man, it might not be for you. But go in with an open mind, and you might find you like it. I wasn't born a Shels fan, I've no family who are,and I'd no friends who were. I only got into it during my teenage years, by just deciding I was gonna give it a go. I don't live THAT near to Tolka either. Bout a 25-30 minutes drive. Constantly I hear people say they gave it a chance, and didn't like it, but typically I reckon that constitutes going to a match with a superior attitude and being pleased to decide that they're right when they notice the smallest thing that doesn't take their fancy, like noticing a lad in a trackie with a new age mullet. This isn't meant in a condescending way, but theres no way supporting a TV from the couch can bring the same highs that being a real part of the club can.

Ps. Forget Pats, leg it out to Tolka:D

I live 30 minutes drive from Turners Cross but it doesnt bother me. I've heard of people coming up from West Cork to go to the cross and thats a long enough drive.

Jazzy · 26-12-2008 02:05AM

i was at the UCD - Galway game and to be perfectly honest, ive never witnessed a poorer match live. heck, i get more enjoyment watching my college team play on the wednesday lunch break

DSB · 26-12-2008 02:08AM

Jazzy wrote: »

i was at the UCD - Galway game and to be perfectly honest, ive never witnessed a poorer match live. heck, i get more enjoyment watching my college team play on the wednesday lunch break

Well then you've a perfect metrestick to work from:rolleyes:

Jazzy · 26-12-2008 02:45AM

basically wat im saying is that anytime i have sat and watched some LOI i just get disappointed. it is funny to watch some old classmates play tho, id support galway just for that... but then i do happen to live on the other side of the country and it doesnt help that one of the guys i know that plays was always a w@nker back in school. my next door neighbour beat him up aged 12 tho which was classic. they are actually good mates now

DSB · 26-12-2008 02:54AM

There is plenty of quality football played in the LOI, although admittedly nowhere near the standard of the Premiership. But considering we live in a different country, would it not be a better idea to work together to improve what we have, than to just settle for games on TV, and the odd weekend trip over. You genuinely don't know what you're missing out on.

You can view it as a matter of product quality, but being a supporter isn't about picking the best product, or economising for value for money by picking the team that mixes the best price with the best quality. And I don't for a second believe that you believe that either, which makes the contempt with which the LOI is treated especially weird.

Irish people will support Chelsea or Blackburn who play disgusting boring football, but will look down on their own national league. And it seems the quality of football argument gos out the window if the club gos into a horrible quality of football from a top 1, ie. the Leeds scenario. I understand theres the affection and ties that are there already, but its still a weird one, because it illustrates that the quality of football ISN'T actually the key factor in support of a football club, because people will willingly sacrifice it for affection and the feeling of belonging, if changing situations necessitate it.

bUILDERtHEbOB · 26-12-2008 04:16AM

Tbh, I think as long as you can develop a passion for a team and get into the atmosphere of a live game, the standard of football means **** all.

scruff321 · 26-12-2008 12:45PM

DSB wrote: »

There is plenty of quality football played in the LOI, although admittedly nowhere near the standard of the Premiership. But considering we live in a different country, would it not be a better idea to work together to improve what we have, than to just settle for games on TV, and the odd weekend trip over. You genuinely don't know what you're missing out on.

You can view it as a matter of product quality, but being a supporter isn't about picking the best product, or economising for value for money by picking the team that mixes the best price with the best quality. And I don't for a second believe that you believe that either, which makes the contempt with which the LOI is treated especially weird.

Irish people will support Chelsea or Blackburn who play disgusting boring football, but will look down on their own national league. And it seems the quality of football argument gos out the window if the club gos into a horrible quality of football from a top 1, ie. the Leeds scenario. I understand theres the affection and ties that are there already, but its still a weird one, because it illustrates that the quality of football ISN'T actually the key factor in support of a football club, because people will willingly sacrifice it for affection and the feeling of belonging, if changing situations necessitate it.

chelsea are playing brilliant football this season ftw

but i see what your saying there is some very good footballers in the LOI you just have to look at the amount of them been picked off by English clubs,i was disappointed to see Pat mcCourt go and keith Fahey will be a big loss to the league. if there was a team close by to me or i had a car i would start supporting someone,actually i live near enough to tallaght so i suppose rovers would be an option but i know a few rovers fans (and bohs) and from what ive seen espically of the rovers crowd there a pack of gob****es!nevertheless il give shamrock rovers a chance when they move up there in the new year :cool:

DSB · 26-12-2008 02:20PM

scruff321 wrote: »

chelsea are playing brilliant football this season ftw but i see what your saying there is some very good footballers in the LOI you just have to look at the amount of them been picked off by English clubs,i was disappointed to see Pat mcCourt go and keith Fahey will be a big loss to the league. if there was a team close by to me or i had a car i would start supporting someone,actually i live near enough to tallaght so i suppose rovers would be an option but i know a few rovers fans (and bohs) and from what ive seen espically of the rovers crowd there a pack of gob****es!nevertheless il give shamrock rovers a chance when they move up there in the new year :cool:

Do. Ya wouldn't let a few dopes ruin you going to the cinema or shopping in town so don't let it ruin you getting into this.

themont85 · 27-12-2008 02:46AM

Gavin shels wrote: »

And there's only 3 ways I can think of that quality being there:
1. People get off their barstools
2. Franchises
3. Let Sky rape us like they done to the EPL in the early 90's.

So you would proprose a Leinster FC, Munster FC, Ulster FC and Connaught FC, all franchised regional teams. And me like most other LoI fans will tell you and anyone who backs that idea to go crawl back under that rock of your's with you Sky Sports, inflatable tri-colour hammer, lephrecan outfit and along with your chosen foreign team's jersey(ies).

Fair enough, but don't expect your league to grow in its current format or by lecturing people. I do none of the things which you stereotyped me as doing like being on a 'barstool'. I prefer rugby tbh but like soccer and was just pointing out that they manage to have a high standard in their sport and thus attract fans for the entertainment value. Human beings are fickle by and large and need to be entertained to part with cash plus time. THe LoI doesn't provide that but instead wastes money on full time pros all with the dream of getting past the 3rd round of the CL.

Oh and Sky Sports will never 'rape' the league of ireland like they did in England. Over there they had a good standard of football pre 1992 unlike here right now, with plenty of fans and a great potential market. The LoI has none of the aforementioned 3. The debate over what Sky has done to football in England is another matter altogether but to 'rape' English football it hasn't.

themont85 · 27-12-2008 02:52AM

DSB wrote: »

Do. Ya wouldn't let a few dopes ruin you going to the cinema or shopping in town so don't let it ruin you getting into this.

Ye probably because if they went to the cinema or shopping they would be getting a decent product.

DSB · 27-12-2008 02:53AM

themont85 wrote: »

Ye probably because if they went to the cinema or shopping they would be getting a decent product.

Supporting a football club is not purchasing a product, anyone who views it as so, does not support a football club.

themont85 · 27-12-2008 03:15AM

DSB wrote: »

Supporting a football club is not purchasing a product, anyone who views it as so, does not support a football club.

The usual argument. This may be true in your eyes but if thats the case a great many people 'don't support football clubs'. Face facts, a lot of people watch football to be entertained. And by entertained that means many things from the quality of football, presentation of it and the general match day feel. Thats a major reason why the EPL is popular here. People are fickle by nature, if the LoI wants higher attendences and to maybe outshine the EPL in Ireland its administrators and its fans will have to put a better presentation of itself than just, 'come on support your local team, have some pride'. For the LoI if it wants more 'fans' then it needs to treat people as potential customers and make their product(ie football and everything surrounding that) more attractive. Of course imo it is almost impossible for them to make the crucial compoment the football good enough in its current guise.

DSB · 27-12-2008 03:21AM

themont85 wrote: »

The usual argument. This may be true in your eyes but if thats the case a great many people 'don't support football clubs'. Face facts, a lot of people watch football to be entertained. And by entertained that means many things from the quality of football, presentation of it and the general match day feel. Thats a major reason why the EPL is popular here. People are fickle by nature, if the LoI wants higher attendences and to maybe outshine the EPL in Ireland its administrators and its fans will have to put a better presentation of itself than just, 'come on support your local team, have some pride'. For the LoI if it wants more 'fans' then it needs to treat people as potential customers and make their product(ie football and everything surrounding that) more attractive. Of course imo it is almost impossible for them to make the crucial compoment the football good enough in its current guise.

Obviously I agree with you that what you're saying is true, I'm not debating that, but I find that all a bit pathetic. And I don't feel that way about the EPL in general. Just a certain few clubs.

Töpher · 27-12-2008 10:10AM

themont85 wrote: »

I prefer rugby tbh but like soccer and was just pointing out that they manage to have a high standard in their sport and thus attract fans for the entertainment value. Human beings are fickle by and large and need to be entertained to part with cash plus time. THe LoI doesn't provide that but instead wastes money on full time pros all with the dream of getting past the 3rd round of the CL.

First division this year, tbh!

CiaranC · 27-12-2008 04:45PM

themont85 wrote: »

Ye probably because if they went to the cinema or shopping they would be getting a decent product.

Football is not a "product". any more than Paddy from Mullaghduff, the lifelong Man Utd supporter is a "football fan".

Irish plastics are a laughing stock to real Irish football fans and to real English football fans alike.

Go take a look on the UK football websites to see what English fans think of plastic paddy the daytripper.

Martin Cullen is a clown of the highest order. If he had said what he said as Minister for Sport in Italy he'd have to resign.

Zebra3 · 27-12-2008 05:52PM

themont85 wrote: »

The usual argument. This may be true in your eyes but if thats the case a great many people 'don't support football clubs'. Face facts, a lot of people watch football to be entertained. And by entertained that means many things from the quality of football, presentation of it and the general match day feel. Thats a major reason why the EPL is popular here. People are fickle by nature, if the LoI wants higher attendences and to maybe outshine the EPL in Ireland its administrators and its fans will have to put a better presentation of itself than just, 'come on support your local team, have some pride'. For the LoI if it wants more 'fans' then it needs to treat people as potential customers and make their product(ie football and everything surrounding that) more attractive. Of course imo it is almost impossible for them to make the crucial compoment the football good enough in its current guise.

That's very true in the case of those who just watch football on tv.

themont85 · 27-12-2008 06:22PM

CiaranC wrote: »

Football is not a "product". any more than Paddy from Mullaghduff, the lifelong Man Utd supporter is a "football fan".

Irish plastics are a laughing stock to real Irish football fans and to real English football fans alike.

Go take a look on the UK football websites to see what English fans think of plastic paddy the daytripper.

Martin Cullen is a clown of the highest order. If he had said what he said as Minister for Sport in Italy he'd have to resign.

Stop being delusional, for a football club if they want fans they have to sell themselves as a 'product'. Of course there is far more loyalty involved but for the extra people who bring in the crucial revenue, the quality is so important. Look at Leeds, a few years ago packed to the seems every week, now its very easy to get a ticket because the quality has dropped. Again as I said human beings are fickle. Telling people to be 'proper' fans wont get bums on seats.

Martin Cullen is a clown and his comments misguided but to keep putting out the same argument-basically if your a real fan you'll go to watch sub standard play is deeply flawed and as misguided as Cullen's comments.

Pure Cork · 27-12-2008 08:09PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN1WN0YMWZU
"I'll admit I don't quite follow how you, a man who lives over 200 miles away from the home ground of your chosen team, can claim some deep attachment to a bunch of overpaid hired hands from all four corners of the globe who temporarily wear the same coloured shirt as you're currently wearing, but then maybe I'm a bit slow, it must be brain damage from all that boxing I did in Raging Bull"

OPENROAD · 27-12-2008 08:31PM

CiaranC wrote: »

Irish plastics are a laughing stock to real Irish football fans and to real English football fans alike.

Go take a look on the UK football websites to see what English fans think of plastic paddy the daytripper.

Really?, never been my experience

Jazzy · 27-12-2008 08:36PM

CiaranC wrote: »

Football is not a "product". any more than Paddy from Mullaghduff, the lifelong Man Utd supporter is a "football fan".

Irish plastics are a laughing stock to real Irish football fans and to real English football fans alike.

Go take a look on the UK football websites to see what English fans think of plastic paddy the daytripper.

Martin Cullen is a clown of the highest order. If he had said what he said as Minister for Sport in Italy he'd have to resign.

ive said it once and ill say it again

you're so football

SligoBrewer · 27-12-2008 08:48PM

CiaranC wrote: »

Irish plastics are a laughing stock to real Irish football fans and to real English football fans alike.

Go take a look on the UK football websites to see what English fans think of plastic paddy the daytripper.
.

Link?

bobbysands81 · 29-12-2008 04:30PM

vote4pedro wrote: »

Because the rubbish you come out with makes me suggest you would. That comment about sectarianism in Glasgow (in combination with your username) I find toe-curlingly embarassing.

So you make a generic accusation ("Because the rubbish you come out with makes me suggest you would.") AFTER I put specific points to you, which you ignore, and instead focus on my username - which is a breach of the rules on here.

What is it about the comment on sectarianism that you don't understand?

stovelid · 29-12-2008 06:00PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

What is it about the comment on sectarianism that you don't understand?

I would hazard a guess that it's not the sectarianism that he finds embarrassing, rather the fact that you're not a Glaswegian. Let alone an 'opressed' one. Similar to the idiocy of getting behind FC St Pauli on some sort of anti-fascist tip.

I abhor the treatment of Palestine but I don't have to support their national team.

Zebra3 · 29-12-2008 06:16PM

themont85 wrote: »

Stop being delusional, for a football club if they want fans they have to sell themselves as a 'product'.

Show me one club that sells itself to fans as a product.

themont85 wrote: »

Martin Cullen is a clown

True.

Unearthly · 29-12-2008 06:21PM

OPENROAD wrote: »

Really?, never been my experience

I think you need to realise when people are talking sh-it and know it, they know they have to make up stuff up to back up their lies

SectionF · 29-12-2008 06:30PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN1WN0YMWZU

Pure Cork wrote: »

"I'll admit I don't quite follow how you, a man who lives over 200 miles away from the home ground of your chosen team, can claim some deep attachment to a bunch of overpaid hired hands from all four corners of the globe who temporarily wear the same coloured shirt as you're currently wearing, but then maybe I'm a bit slow, it must be brain damage from all that boxing I did in Raging Bull"

Thanks PC -- I've been looking for that sketch online for ages! Definitely going in the collection...

Words fail me..

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