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SectionF · 22-12-2008 12:06PM

herbieflowers wrote: »

jeez, you'd think people would be sick of resurrecting the ol' EPL / LoI debate at this stage, is there any thread it can't affect?

I know. You'd have thought Cullen would have known better.

SantryRed · 22-12-2008 01:37PM

I can't believe a Minister for Sport can say what he said and only Eircom League fans being pissed off with it. It's rediculous.

Zebra3 · 22-12-2008 04:53PM

As a LoI fan I think it's a great idea.

Why don't the government use taxpayers money to buy a Premiership club (say Manchester United) and relocate them to Dublin and change their name to F.C. Dublin.

I'd love it. Just love it.

FatherTed · 22-12-2008 04:55PM

I would love for there to be an Irish based team in the Premiership with huge crowds going every week. And then to get relegated to the Championship with those crowds saying "ah feck this, not my standard" and going back to their barstools to support Man Utd/Liverpool/Arse/Sunderland/Celtic etc.

Jazzy · 22-12-2008 05:31PM

barstools are for paupers, i watched Liverpool - Arsenal from my bed

bobbysands81 · 22-12-2008 05:43PM

eagle eye wrote: »

And to those League of Ireland fans, I was a fan of the League but I'm long gone from it now.

Everyone has a right to air their opinions without being attacked by some League of Ireland nutcase who can't see beyond the Irish Sea.

I too would love to see an Irish based team try and give the Premiership a go if it was possible. It would be a pleasure to have that standard of football on this Island every second week between August and May every year.

Edit to add, I'd be willing to pay to watch that standard of football but I wouldn't give that League of Ireland one cent of my money with all the rubbish that has gone on down the years.

I used to be an ardent Shamrock Rovers fan, even went 2 years without missing a home game... but I stopped mainly cos of all the knackers that were only interested in starting fights, I couldn't understand why Dublin people wanted to kick the **** out of other Dublin people because they supported a different soccer team.

_blank_ · 22-12-2008 05:59PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

I couldn't understand why Dublin people wanted to kick the **** out of other Dublin people because they supported a different soccer team.

Glasgow much?

bobbysands81 · 22-12-2008 06:08PM

Des wrote: »

Glasgow much?

Have Rovers or Bohs fans (en bloc) been discriminated against or suffered institutionalised sectarianism and racism due to their religious background or nationality?

invincibleirish · 22-12-2008 06:24PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Have Rovers or Bohs fans (en bloc) been discriminated against or suffered institutionalised sectarianism and racism due to their religious background or nationality?

Its the 21st Century FFS, stop fighting old battles and move on.

SectionF · 22-12-2008 06:24PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

I used to be an ardent Shamrock Rovers fan, even went 2 years without missing a home game... but I stopped mainly cos of all the knackers that were only interested in starting fights, I couldn't understand why Dublin people wanted to kick the **** out of other Dublin people because they supported a different soccer team.

You're easily stopped then.

eirebhoy · 22-12-2008 07:50PM

Des wrote: »

lol

I wouldn't trust you if you are coming up with statements like that.

Maybe read this thread:
http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php?t=52692

I totted up the reasons.

35 people in that thread support their team after being brought from an early age by family member or other.

19 others support their team because it represents their town.

And 7 are what you might call blow ins. Even then, 1 of them started going to Bray games when he moved to Bray. 1 started going to Pats games when he moved to Rialto. 1 started following UCD when he joined UCD. 1 fan started supporting Bohs as an adult but had always been brought to Dublin to watch live games from an early age. And 1 Cork fan started following them when he/she started going out with a Cork fanatic.

I can't really speak for people from other counties but if you're an adult, from Dublin, were never brought to a LOI game as a kid and weren't brought up in somewhere like Inchicore or Phibsboro, there's very little chance you'd be supporting a LOI team today.

DSB · 22-12-2008 07:57PM

The man's position really should be untenable.

stovelid · 22-12-2008 08:32PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Have Rovers or Bohs fans (en bloc) been discriminated against or suffered institutionalised sectarianism and racism due to their religious background or nationality?

In a way, you can say daytripper fans of big premiership teams want to appropriate the nationality of scousers, mancs, whatever - to actually be them, because of the bad-hand of football geography they were dealt with at birth being from Dublin, Beijing, Wigan or whatever.

It's another (farcical) thing entirely to want to claim their religious oppression for yourself.

Obviously if you are an actual working-class Glaswegian catholic, I apologize.

DSB · 22-12-2008 08:35PM

stovelid wrote: »

In a way, you can say daytripper fans of big premiership teams want to appropriate the nationality of scousers, mancs, whatever - to actually be them, because of the bad-hand of football geography they were dealt with at birth being from Dublin, Beijing, Wigan or whatever.

It's another (farcical) thing entirely to want to claim their religious oppression for yourself.

Obviously if you are an actual working-class Glaswegian catholic, I apologize.

Excellent point.

SligoBrewer · 22-12-2008 09:11PM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

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To be honest, the LoI won't be a success until it reverts back to semi-pro or amateur looking to bring young players though. No club can afford to really survive full-time anymore at the minute without a very good fanbase and good backing.

Your from Mayo, how many times have you been to your local club an hour up the road in Sligo? How can you expect football to develop in this place without people going to games? The sad fact is if people got off their arses and went to the ****ing games in Dublin, Sligo, Galway or wherever, football would develop sufficently as it would have investment.

For the price of one ****ty weekend to Manchester you could have a year long experience with your local club. Something you actually feel for. Something that grows like an infection inside you. I actually love Sligo Rovers. The weeks results dictate my mood for the rest of the week. I'm on a month long buzz since we got to Europe. How many people claim that happens with some EPL club? How many people will care the same way I care for Rovers as they will for FC Deportivo le Dublin? SFA

DSB · 22-12-2008 09:15PM

This really isnt a League Of Ireland Vs Barstoolers debate though. This is something much worse. I honestly can't imagine myself looking at anyone who supported this idea with anything but contempt.

eirebhoy · 22-12-2008 09:45PM

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Your from Mayo, how many times have you been to your local club an hour up the road in Sligo? How can you expect football to develop in this place without people going to games? The sad fact is if people got off their arses and went to the ****ing games in Dublin, Sligo, Galway or wherever, football would develop sufficently as it would have investment.

For the price of one ****ty weekend to Manchester you could have a year long experience with your local club. Something you actually feel for. Something that grows like an infection inside you. I actually love Sligo Rovers. The weeks results dictate my mood for the rest of the week. I'm on a month long buzz since we got to Europe. How many people claim that happens with some EPL club? How many people will care the same way I care for Rovers as they will for FC Deportivo le Dublin? SFA

You can't compare a Sligo person supporting Sligo and a Mayo person supporting Sligo for jaysus sake.

SligoBrewer · 22-12-2008 10:39PM

eirebhoy wrote: »

You can't compare a Sligo person supporting Sligo and a Mayo person supporting Sligo for jaysus sake.

Every second week I see plenty of people from Mayo in the Showgrounds.
The club extends its community work into not only the Sligo/Leitrim leagues, but also in the Mayo one too. I can't see how its any less unreasonable for a person to travel an hour to see a game when in reality these same people travel by air, rail and road to see whoever in the epl.

Anyways this is completely o/t. It sickens me to see the FF pleading for people to shop in the south while they're encouraging people to instead travel to England to see as football of a ''suitable standard''.:(

Ronan|Raven · 23-12-2008 01:07AM

eirebhoy wrote: »

You can't compare a Sligo person supporting Sligo and a Mayo person supporting Sligo for jaysus sake.

I am a Roscommon man following Longford. I know many more from Roscommon who follow Longford from the Strokestown area.. I also know a fair few lads from Ballyhaunis in Mayo who goto Sligo Rovers games

I live 45 minutes from the Flansiro I dont see it as a long distance. You would be doing well to go from Galway to Tuam in that time these days!

pablomakaveli · 23-12-2008 01:59AM

I supported Man Utd from a young age up until a few years ago. I stopped supporting them because i lost interest mainly because i had no real connection to the club. I attended a Cork City game a few years ago and loved it and have supported them ever since.

Most EPL team supporters on this forum look down their noses at LOI fans and criticise them for being passionate about their clubs and league. It's that same passion that makes LOI fans angry to see people spending loads of money supporting an english club instead of attending matches at their local LOI club. I much happier supporting Cork City a club which represents my hometown and who i have a connection to rather than Man Utd.

Also a few English people i have spoken to have laughed about how irish people support english clubs. Irish EPL fans are nothing but a laughing stock to some english football supporters.

applehunter · 23-12-2008 02:17AM

eirebhoy wrote: »

You can't compare a Sligo person supporting Sligo and a Mayo person supporting Sligo for jaysus sake.

My Moms family are from Leitrim and were regulars at Showgrounds before they all emigrated.

eagle eye · 23-12-2008 02:17AM

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Every second week I see plenty of people from Mayo in the Showgrounds.
The club extends its community work into not only the Sligo/Leitrim leagues, but also in the Mayo one too. I can't see how its any less unreasonable for a person to travel an hour to see a game when in reality these same people travel by air, rail and road to see whoever in the epl.

Anyways this is completely o/t. It sickens me to see the FF pleading for people to shop in the south while they're encouraging people to instead travel to England to see as football of a ''suitable standard''.:(

I'd rather follow Rangers than a team from that kip of a town.

eagle eye · 23-12-2008 02:21AM

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

I am a Roscommon man following Longford. I know many more from Roscommon who follow Longford from the Strokestown area.. I also know a fair few lads from Ballyhaunis in Mayo who goto Sligo Rovers games

I live 45 minutes from the Flansiro I dont see it as a long distance. You would be doing well to go from Galway to Tuam in that time these days!

Obviously you don't live in Strokestown or else you drive a tractor or something because its not that far.

UnitedIrishman · 23-12-2008 02:22AM

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Your from Mayo, how many times have you been to your local club an hour up the road in Sligo? How can you expect football to develop in this place without people going to games? The sad fact is if people got off their arses and went to the ****ing games in Dublin, Sligo, Galway or wherever, football would develop sufficently as it would have investment.

For the price of one ****ty weekend to Manchester you could have a year long experience with your local club. Something you actually feel for. Something that grows like an infection inside you. I actually love Sligo Rovers. The weeks results dictate my mood for the rest of the week. I'm on a month long buzz since we got to Europe. How many people claim that happens with some EPL club? How many people will care the same way I care for Rovers as they will for FC Deportivo le Dublin? SFA

First of all, I don't support Sligo or Galway because I'm not from there. If Mayo had a team of course I'd head to games a good bit but why the hell would I support a team that has absolutely nothing to do with my county or community? A lot of my mates have been offered trials for both clubs and refused to go because they reckon its pointless, damned if you do go and damned if you don't. The fact is that the best young players go to England, its always been that way and always will. Another went just this week - Jay O'Shea. The league is fúcked right now with most clubs going bust - its a lottery at the minute. I'd be more inclined to watch teams if they were all amateur and full of the countries top youngsters.

But its a joke at the minute, and I can't see it changing anytime soon. So don't blame me or the thousands others like me for the fact your club/league isn't developing nearly went into liquidation. Maybe if ye handled your club correctly then it might not have went tits up.

As for a ****ty weekend, I've been over to Manchester quite a bit for games and they've been far from terrible. They have also been relatively cheap (around €150 for flights and tickets - staying in a mates house). Always have and always will be a United fan through and through, as is my old man and his old man.

I hate this bollocks at times on these boards insinuating that if you aren't a LoI fan you aren't a real football fan. Grow up lads and stop attempting to be Billy Bollocks "I'm a bigger fan than you kind of thing". It's amazingly stupid.

eagle eye · 23-12-2008 02:25AM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Most EPL team supporters on this forum look down their noses at LOI fans and criticise them for being passionate about their clubs and league.

I've never seen that, I've seen the opposite quite often though.

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Also a few English people i have spoken to have laughed about how irish people support english clubs. Irish EPL fans are nothing but a laughing stock to some english football supporters.

If you look for people to say something you really want to hear you will find them.:pac::pac::pac::rolleyes:

Jazzy · 23-12-2008 02:26AM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Also a few English people i have spoken to have laughed about how irish people support english clubs. Irish EPL fans are nothing but a laughing stock to some english football supporters.

thats super duper.

im really enjoying the fact that fans across borders share the same opinions and ways of looking at ppl. putting supporting a football team on a hierarchy, i wonder who they put at the top of that particular tree? more importantly, i wonder why...
perhaps making up for something else lacking in their life that they feel the need to rank themselves as 'better' then other people... at football supporting.
apparently the people on their barstools are sad tho.

OPENROAD · 23-12-2008 02:30AM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Also a few English people i have spoken to have laughed about how irish people support english clubs. Irish EPL fans are nothing but a laughing stock to some english football supporters.

I have gotten to know lots of English people over the years at Highbury, when they found out I was Irish I got pints bought for me and always given a great welcome everytime they saw me.

pablomakaveli · 23-12-2008 02:30AM

eagle eye wrote: »

If you look for people to say something you really want to hear you will find them.:pac::pac::pac::rolleyes:

They pointed it out to me. i did'nt ask them.

Jazzy · 23-12-2008 02:52AM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

They pointed it out to me. i did'nt ask them.

and how good did it make u feel to learn that u were doing football right?

iregk · 23-12-2008 10:04AM

I love it. You open your post with this:

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

First of all, I don't support Sligo or Galway because I'm not from there. If Mayo had a team of course I'd head to games a good bit but why the hell would I support a team that has absolutely nothing to do with my county or community?

Then you finish with this:

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

I've been over to Manchester quite a bit for games and they've been far from terrible. Always have and always will be a United fan through and through, as is my old man and his old man.

I've highlighted the bits in bold just so you can see your spectacular contradiction...

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