Arsenal Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

newbie2 · 01-12-2008 01:05AM

I'm gonna have to stop posting. I keep getting infractions. I'll see you all in January.......

Galvasean · 01-12-2008 01:12AM

Frisbee wrote: »

He'll be better than Denilson by next season imo.

Probably. Unless Denilson improves too edit: which I would say he will because he's still developing too people have to remember.
Gotta say one attribute where Ramsey is better than both Denil and Fab is his free kicks. That belter against Wigan :eek:

Speaking of youngsters. I reckon we'll see them get a good run out against Plymouth.

leninbenjamin · 01-12-2008 01:14AM

gosplan wrote: »

He'll never be a tackle-crazy specialist DMF which is what we need to allow Fabregas a bit more freedom.

plenty of people said the same about Flamini until he was finally given a good run of games.

I like Denilson as a prospect/ Yes, he's young and naive but there's plenty of potential there.He's a good passer, he has the aggression and he has great energy. I would hate to see him not given his fair chance tbh, i think he's a much better prospect than Song and will come good in time. perhaps not quite quick enough though for this season...

Royale with Cheese · 01-12-2008 01:17AM

Could Fabregas in some way be causing a problem for Arsenal? Yes he's their best player, but the team is built around him.

Back in the days when Arsenal used to win things, they never had an attacking centre mid. Was always two holding midfielders and two goalscoring wingers. Vieira, Petit, Gilberto, Edu. Now Fabregas has come along things are different. Anyone reckon Arsenal would get outmuscled by Hull, Fulham etc. with two holding midfielders on the pitch?

Yeah I know the actual problem is that Arsenal currently have 0 holding midfielders, but they haven't won anything since Fabregas came along.

In absolutely no way am I saying go back to this system and get rid of Fabregas, just wondering does anybody else reckon it could actually be making a difference.

Arsenal1986 · 01-12-2008 11:52AM

Royale with Cheese that actually makes alot of sense - similar sentiments echoed here too - http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8742_4516199,00.html seems to say that this reemphasis, of building a team around Cesc is to win the champions league

Frisbee · 01-12-2008 11:56AM

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Could Fabregas in some way be causing a problem for Arsenal? Yes he's their best player, but the team is built around him.

Back in the days when Arsenal used to win things, they never had an attacking centre mid. Was always two holding midfielders and two goalscoring wingers. Vieira, Petit, Gilberto, Edu. Now Fabregas has come along things are different. Anyone reckon Arsenal would get outmuscled by Hull, Fulham etc. with two holding midfielders on the pitch?

Yeah I know the actual problem is that Arsenal currently have 0 holding midfielders, but they haven't won anything since Fabregas came along.

In absolutely no way am I saying go back to this system and get rid of Fabregas, just wondering does anybody else reckon it could actually be making a difference.

This has been echoed before.
Yes Wenger changed his winning system in order to accomadate Cesc.
But is the reason we're losing because of Cesc? No
The reason we're losing is because we have crap players around Cesc.
If he didnt play Cesc we'd have Denilson and Song in CM. They both will be good players in the future, right now though, they're not Premier League Top 4 Standard. They could both ply their trade quite comfortably at someone like Blackburn or Boro on their current merits.

Galvasean · 01-12-2008 02:34PM

TBH blaming Cesc for our problems is complete and utter drivel.
Himself and Flamini were arguably the best central midfield pair in the Premier league. We didn't win the league due to a poor run of form, four league draws in a row followed by a narrow defeat by Chelsea. Bear in mind that during this run of poor form our squad was absolutely ravaged by injuries. In fact throughout the whole season the number of times we had our first choice starting XI could be counted on one hand.
Also, we were eliminated from the Champions League after a torrid run of bad luck in the first leg against 'pool.
This season Cesc as no Flamaini type to back him up where there was one before. In fact Fabregas has suffered somewhat offensively this season since he no longer has ol' reliable watching his back while he goes forward. If we had someone like Flamini to help out the CBs there would be no problem.

Smegball · 01-12-2008 06:22PM

I think if Arsenal get a quality CM to partner Fabregas and a better goalkeeper, and possibly a quality CB an you wil have a awesome team, you already have two exceptional full backs, the best CM in PL and two excellent strikers.
As a United fan, why isn't Vela getting more chances rather than Bendtner, I don't rate him at all really.

Frisbee · 01-12-2008 06:29PM

Smegball wrote: »

I think if Arsenal get a quality CM to partner Fabregas and a better goalkeeper, and possibly a quality CB an you wil have a awesome team, you already have two exceptional full backs, the best CM in PL and two excellent strikers.
As a United fan, why isn't Vela getting more chances rather than Bendtner, I don't rate him at all really.

No idea, you'd have to ask Arsene.
Although I agree with Bendtner coming on instead of Carlos the Ninja yesterday, he put more of a question to the Chelsea defence than Vela could have done with his physical presence.

We have a good choice of strikers depending on whats needed:

Ade = Strong and talented striker who uses his presence and pace well.
RVP = Technically gifted dutchman with a killer shot.
Bendtner = The Tank
Vela = Young gun with serious skizzles and pace
Eduarco = Clinical Finisher

L'prof · 01-12-2008 07:08PM

Smegball wrote: »

I think if Arsenal get a quality CM to partner Fabregas and a better goalkeeper, and possibly a quality CB an you wil have a awesome team, you already have two exceptional full backs, the best CM in PL and two excellent strikers.
As a United fan, why isn't Vela getting more chances rather than Bendtner, I don't rate him at all really.

I think the only reason for this is that at the moment he is a bit lightweight, but I'd expect him to be a a quality player for us very soon!

gosplan · 01-12-2008 10:05PM

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Could Fabregas in some way be causing a problem for Arsenal? Yes he's their best player, but the team is built around him.

Back in the days when Arsenal used to win things, they never had an attacking centre mid. Was always two holding midfielders and two goalscoring wingers. Vieira, Petit, Gilberto, Edu. Now Fabregas has come along things are different. Anyone reckon Arsenal would get outmuscled by Hull, Fulham etc. with two holding midfielders on the pitch?

Yeah I know the actual problem is that Arsenal currently have 0 holding midfielders, but they haven't won anything since Fabregas came along.

In absolutely no way am I saying go back to this system and get rid of Fabregas, just wondering does anybody else reckon it could actually be making a difference.

Viera played slap bang in the centre of the pitch

Frisbee · 01-12-2008 10:08PM

gosplan wrote: »

Viera played slap bang in the centre of the pitch

Aye, and while he was a dynamite passer of the ball, he was a better defender than attacker. Great positioning

Galvasean · 01-12-2008 10:13PM

He could be pretty good in attack too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PALu0BKZgTI

Frisbee · 01-12-2008 10:17PM

Galvasean wrote: »

He could be pretty good in attack too.

Yup, but he offered a lot more defensively than Cesc

tony1kenobi · 01-12-2008 10:21PM

Galvasean wrote: »

He could be pretty good in attack too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PALu0BKZgTI

He was clearing that ball.....that's an old Winterburn trick.

yahoo_moe · 02-12-2008 03:23PM

Smegball wrote: »

As a United fan, why isn't Vela getting more chances rather than Bendtner

His long flights for international matches with Mexico would have a fair bit to do with it - as would the fact that it's his first season as an Arsenal player in England. Wenger's on record as saying that he's pretty much ready to go bar getting used to the English game a bit more.

Frisbee wrote:

Ade = Strong and talented striker who uses his presence and pace well

Never thought I'd see that in one of your posts

yahoo_moe · 02-12-2008 03:25PM

tony1kenobi wrote: »

He was clearing that ball.....that's an old Winterburn trick.

You've reminded me of this old Dixon trick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpSo1aciPqU

Frisbee · 02-12-2008 03:34PM

yahoo_moe wrote: »

Never thought I'd see that in one of your posts

Haha, Ae just needed to be dropped for a game to buck his idea's and realise he's not guaranteed to start all the tim.
We did that at West Ham and I couldn't have been happier by the results.

Galvasean · 02-12-2008 04:17PM

yahoo_moe wrote: »

You've reminded me of this old Dixon trick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpSo1aciPqU

"Nice one Dicko"

Radharc na Sleibhte · 02-12-2008 04:20PM

yahoo_moe wrote: »

You've reminded me of this old Dixon trick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpSo1aciPqU

Jaysus I remember that. The plonk.
There should have been an official inquiry.

Didn't he score a quality diving header og too????

gosplan · 03-12-2008 07:28PM

pah, what a load of kaka.

As if they have any hope of landing him.

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 05-12-2008 12:51AM

Gallas out but Toure back for Wigan clash

By Chris Harris

Arsène Wenger had good news and bad news when he discussed his injury list with Arsenal TV Online on Thursday afternoon.

The Arsenal manager will be without William Gallas on Saturday after the French defender failed to shake off the calf injury he suffered during Sunday's win at Chelsea. However, Kolo Toure's own calf problem has eased and he is available to face Wigan.

Johan Djourou (hip) is also fit, giving Wenger plenty of options at the back, while Emmanuel Eboue could also return after five weeks out with a knee injury.

"We certainly lose Gallas for Saturday but we have of course Mikael Silvestre, who will be available," said Wenger. "We have Kolo Toure available again and he is more suited to playing on the right side [of central defence]. We will see until Saturday how well he is.

"Eboue could be back in the group and Diaby [abdominal strain] could be available from next week onwards. Djourou is fine."

Theo Walcott (shoulder) and Tomas Rosicky (hamstring) are still sidelined but Eduardo's return seems imminent. "As soon as possible he will play now," confirmed Wenger. "He is joining in full training matches but he needs games now."

So Gallas is out so his partnership with Djourou didn't last too long. Hopefully it'll be Toure and Djourou for this one. Should be looking to win this match comfortably enough, especially seeing as the kids beat them 3-0, but of course we all know it won't be like that:rolleyes:

Also great news about Eduardo, amazing how quickly he's come back. Hopefully he'll get some game time with the reserves in a couple of weeks and be back with a bang after christmas

cson · 05-12-2008 01:07AM

Rosicky should be put down tbh.

Off to the vet with him. :cool:

Arsenal1986 · 05-12-2008 01:08AM

great news on eddie delighted for him...itll be great having him back well have a another genuine class striker and be able to play two up front and rotate now rather than having to rely on bendnter

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 05-12-2008 12:17PM

cson wrote: »

Rosicky should be put down tbh.

Off to the vet with him. :cool:

It's a shame that this injury has caused so many problems for him, I really like him as a player and think we are seriously missing him. I mean who is our first choice right midfielder now that theo is out too, Eboue? Followed by Denilson and Ramsey

We pretty much have to write him off for the rest of the season since we have no idea when he'll be back so another signing would really be welcomed to replace him. Wenger thought he was going to be back by October originally so he was obviously part of the plan for the season.

DenMan · 05-12-2008 01:43PM

Looking forward to the weekend game with a great sense of optimism. Come on the Gunners.

L'prof · 05-12-2008 02:22PM

DenMan wrote: »

Looking forward to the weekend game with a great sense of optimism. Come on the Gunners.

I wish I shared your optimism!

Frisbee · 05-12-2008 02:48PM

jasonorr wrote: »

I wish I shared your optimism!

+1
Wigan match has 1-1 written all over it

Roddy23 · 05-12-2008 03:05PM

I'm with DenMan on this one. Even with Zaki back for Wigan, I think we can beat them. We have to, there's no other way about it.

Gonna say 3-1 to the Arsenal, van Perise and Nasri to share the goals.

DenMan · 05-12-2008 03:20PM

Been linked with Felipe Melo. Doing a super job for Fiorentina right now. Anybody seen him play?

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11854_4592669,00.html

Read that Tottenham are linked with Stephen Appiah. If he goes there and does brilliantly well for them I will pull my hair out. He is a free agent (Ghana captain) and now fully available and injury free. I know he has had problems with injuries in the past, but being honest who hasen't (especially at Arsenal). Also Torsten Frings would be a brilliant signing imo and we have been linked with him.

Zaki supposed to be back and Camera (who has been playing really well for Wigan) is out. Van Persie making his 100th Premier League appearance for Arsenal if selected. Will be tough. If we can get an early goal from RVP/Nasri then Wigan will have to come out and that will will create huge problems for them that Arsenal can exploit. 3-1 would be a great result.

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