Gay marriage

oeb · 11-11-2008 06:36PM

Sean Quagmire wrote: »

Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve

:pac:

I presume you stone your kids when they disobey you too? And don't eat any part of a pig? And don't shave? These are all in the OT. Please keep your religious bigotary out of my laws, ktnx?

Dudess · 11-11-2008 06:44PM

I'd have my doubts Sean is being serious.

philologos · 11-11-2008 06:49PM

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Now given that Jesus said (if I remember rightly) that the only commandment worth remembering is to love your neighbour, (decent enough life philosophy really, be nice) your bigoted hateful response is in direct contravention of your Lord's orders. But don't worry, he's not a cúnt like you, so he'll forgive you.

That isn't exactly what he said. He said that the summary of the law and the prophets is as follows:

1) You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart with all your soul and with all your might. (in this he is quoting Deuteronomy 6:4-6 from the Jewish Torah in response to the Pharisees asking what the greatest commandment of the Torah is)

2) Secondly, he says, you shall love your neighbour as yourself. (Again from the Jewish Torah, Leviticus 19.)

These are the summary, these do not make the commandments null and void, these mean that this should be the aim of following the Law.

Sorry, just had to clear that one up

The Christian guidelines drawn up by the Apostles are based heavily on the Torah, however many Torah laws were fulfilled by Christ's presence on earth.

I don't want to hijack the thread into theology, so apologies

Zillah · 11-11-2008 07:00PM

Degsy wrote: »

I see how wrong you are.
Homosexual dolphins...i loll'd.

I'm pretty much never wrong, do your research.

CreepingDeath · 11-11-2008 07:30PM

Zillah wrote: »

I'm pretty much never wrong, do your research.

Do gay dolphins take it up the blowholes ?

javaboy · 11-11-2008 07:34PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Do gay dolphins take it up the blowholes ?

Chris: Dad, what's the blow-hole for?
Peter: I'll tell you what it's not for, son. And when I do, you'll understand why I can never go back to Sea World.

Zillah · 11-11-2008 08:31PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Do gay dolphins take it up the blowholes ?

No they fellate each other. Most of them can also make more consistent and logical arguments than you.

Nerin · 11-11-2008 08:35PM

Zillah wrote: »

No they fellate each other. Most of them can also make more consistent and logical arguments than you.

Remind me to biki that

AlmightyCushion · 11-11-2008 08:38PM

Watch the abuse people.

K: anonymous joe banned for abuse.

jaffa20 · 11-11-2008 09:15PM

:eek: Just wait till i get my handbag out!!!:pac:

instruction · 11-11-2008 09:48PM

I have an issue with gay marriage as well. I think its wrong.

dceire · 11-11-2008 10:09PM

Yes, i cant see why people have an issue with gay marriage!

Just on the Proposition 8 thing in California, i was quite surprised to see that the govenator has backed the gay rights movement. He's not a complete idiot then just 98% of an idiot!

MagicMarker · 11-11-2008 10:10PM

dceire wrote: »

Yes, i cant see why people have an issue with gay marriage!

Just on the Proposition 8 thing in California, i was quite surprised to see that the govenator has backed the gay rights movement. He's not a complete idiot then just 98% of an idiot!

The other 2% backed McCain.

jaffa20 · 11-11-2008 10:36PM

instruction wrote: »

I have an issue with gay marriage as well. I think its wrong.

Well..Ugh i couldn't be bothered! I don't wanna waste my ban on this pointless arguing.

Btw, can i ask why you edited your post? There must have been something offensive in there.

Zillah · 11-11-2008 10:48PM

instruction wrote: »

I have an issue with gay marriage as well. I think its wrong.

I am positive I will get a thorough and rational response to the following question: Why?

oeb · 11-11-2008 11:08PM

Lets sum this up

If you don't like gay marriage, that's ok. If it becomes legal, the government is not going to force you to marry a guy (Unless you vote for FF again).

What people here are so curious about is : Why on earth do you feel the need to impose your morals on other people? Does it actually effect you if your neighbors or friends are gay? I am sure, despite your ego that they will not find you irresistible and jump you when you are sleeping.

I have always wondered why people feel the need to have an opinion about other peoples sexuality. It should not be your business (or your place) to decide what other people can do in the privacy of their own home. It's not like bum-sex finances terrorism or gays run around shooting limerick rugby players. Someone being gay effects no one but them selves, and it is ridiculous that anyone else should be able to deny them the rights that the rest of us take for granted.

Stating that a man can not marry another man because you find their relationship un-natural is like me telling you that it should be illegal for you to marry your girlfriend, because she looks like a gorilla.

philologos · 11-11-2008 11:13PM

I've said that if the people pass gay marriage, I will accept it. However I have my right to express my views if it came to a referendum when it comes for time to vote. Telling people not to vote because you disagree with them is childish to be honest with you.

Mena · 11-11-2008 11:17PM

Jakkass wrote: »

I've said that if the people pass gay marriage, I will accept it. However I have my right to express my views if it came to a referendum when it comes for time to vote. Telling people not to vote because you disagree with them is childish to be honest with you.

That's not expressing an opinion, that's trying to force your somewhat bigoted viewpoint on the rest of society.

Zillah · 11-11-2008 11:18PM

Jakkass wrote: »

Telling people not to vote because you disagree with them is childish to be honest with you.

I'd have thought it was extremely rational. I'd prefer if you didn't vote, because that would essentially be like me getting two votes. I lose nothing for asking you to not vote and have the potential to get another pro-gay marriage vote.

Please don't vote.

Also, why the hell do you put size 2 tags on your post every time when the default size is 2 anyway?

dlofnep · 11-11-2008 11:23PM

instruction wrote: »

I have an issue with gay marriage as well. I think its wrong.

How does it affect you personally?

oeb · 11-11-2008 11:23PM

Jakkass wrote: »

I've said that if the people pass gay marriage, I will accept it. However I have my right to express my views if it came to a referendum when it comes for time to vote. Telling people not to vote because you disagree with them is childish to be honest with you.

No, I am telling you that none of us should have to vote on this. The law is unjust in the first place. Do you think fat people should be banned from marriage because the thought of them having sex disturbs you? Nahh, who am I kidding, that would be a stupid, bigoted, unjust and ridiculous restriction, after all, some people can't help being overweight.

philologos · 11-11-2008 11:48PM

No, I support marriage as being between a man and a woman primarily because of the role that marriage has in bringing children into the world or in forming a family unit. Psychological studies have confirmed that children with a mother and a father, are in the optimal situation. I personally think we should consider that seriously. Why would anyone want anything less than the best for the next generation of Irish children? This was one of the key arguments that was made in California for Proposition 8, and I support that completely.
http://www.afajournal.org/2006/june/0606marriage.html

I don't believe that is bigotry, if I support partnerships. When it comes to the family children should come first. That's how I feel.

thelordofcheese · 11-11-2008 11:50PM

Jakkass wrote: »

I've said that if the people pass gay marriage, I will accept it. However I have my right to express my views if it came to a referendum when it comes for time to vote. Telling people not to vote because you disagree with them is childish to be honest with you.

Honestly, plebiscite is a terrible way to form laws relating to other peoples rights.

philologos · 11-11-2008 11:53PM

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Honestly, plebiscite is a terrible way to form laws relating to other peoples rights.

For anything that has constitutional implications, it's the proper way to do it. I personally would also expect to have a right to vote on abortion as it is a constitutional issue, and affects the rights of the unborn as well as the rights of women.

oeb · 12-11-2008 12:00AM

Jakkass wrote: »

No, I support marriage as being between a man and a woman primarily because of the role that marriage has in bringing children into the world or in forming a family unit. Psychological studies have confirmed that children with a mother and a father, are in the optimal situation. I personally think we should consider that seriously. Why would anyone want anything less than the best for the next generation of Irish children? This was one of the key arguments that was made in California for Proposition 8, and I support that completely.
http://www.afajournal.org/2006/june/0606marriage.html

I don't believe that is bigotry, if I support partnerships. When it comes to the family children should come first. That's how I feel.

To be honest, I would be much much happier seeing two professional blokes or gals raising kids than I am right now seeing half the muppets around the place with their 7 kids named after popular brand names and pop-stars.

To be honest, I would be happier seeing a child living with two mothers than I would be seeing a child languishing in a care home because no one else will adopt him.

This kind of social elitism sickens me, especially when it is labeled morality.

unreggd · 12-11-2008 12:01AM

Jakkass wrote: »

No, I support marriage as being between a man and a woman primarily because of the role that marriage has in bringing children into the world or in forming a family unit. Psychological studies have confirmed that children with a mother and a father, are in the optimal situation.

Really, so if the Dad is a Pimp and the mam is a crack whore, its doesn't matter? The kid in in an optimal environment just because he has a mam and dad?

And since surrogacy is like non existent here, I think most gay couples would adopt

Theres so many kids without a family, and people like you are further limiting the chances they have of a safe, loving home

Honestly Jakkas, I don't think there's any logic to anything you say or believe, ye come across as a bit of a bible basher tbh, and your username is 100% appropriate

thelordofcheese · 12-11-2008 12:05AM

Jakkass wrote: »

For anything that has constitutional implications, it's the proper way to do it. I personally would also expect to have a right to vote on abortion as it is a constitutional issue, and affects the rights of the unborn as well as the rights of women.

It's horrible, the rights of a group of people shouldn't be reliant on how many people you can motivate to get off their fat asses and vote.

unreggd wrote: »

and your username is 100% appropriate

I'm kinda proud we made it to page 35 before someone said this.... AH, you surprise me.

younge · 12-11-2008 12:17AM

jaffa20 wrote: »

I don't think you should have children for fear that you will impose you RC faith and views which derive from that about marriage on to them. I feel they should choose their own faith rather than be born into your background and have beliefs forced upon them. Like your family has imposed on you. I don't mean to be hurtful, I just want to be blunt.

I have no problem with civil partnership. I belive that marriage is a tradition that should be kept a tradition between men and women. My family has not imposed any beliefs on me. I was born a R/C and I've studied the faith. I think your a narrow minded person to be honest.
''Born into your background and have beliefs forced upon them''
I actually cannot get my head around that statement. You no nothing about my background and non of my posts in this thread or any thread for that matter have suggested that I'm some sort of religious hardliner.

MagicMarker · 12-11-2008 12:25AM

Jakkass wrote: »

No, I support marriage as being between a man and a woman primarily because of the role that marriage has in bringing children into the world or in forming a family unit. Psychological studies have confirmed that children with a mother and a father, are in the optimal situation. I personally think we should consider that seriously. Why would anyone want anything less than the best for the next generation of Irish children? This was one of the key arguments that was made in California for Proposition 8, and I support that completely.
http://www.afajournal.org/2006/june/0606marriage.html

I don't believe that is bigotry, if I support partnerships. When it comes to the family children should come first. That's how I feel.

Optimal compared to what?

Seeing as you're now basing your argument on marriage leading to children. Do you think it's ok for gays to marry so long as they are prevented from adopting?

oeb · 12-11-2008 12:29AM

younge wrote: »

I have no problem with civil partnership. I belive that marriage is a tradition that should be kept a tradition between men and women. My family has not imposed any beliefs on me. I was born a R/C and I've studied the faith. I think your a narrow minded person to be honest.
''Born into your background and have beliefs forced upon them''
I actually cannot get my head around that statement. You no nothing about my background and non of my posts in this thread or any thread for that matter have suggested that I'm some sort of religious hardliner.

Read the thread kthanks.

Gay Marriage was only banned (by the romans) circa 300 AD (Along with the empires conversion to catholicism ).

Of course your family has imposed their beliefs on you. That what families do. Families shape you as a person. Your parents, if they were practicing RCs would not have, lets say outlined the reasons why athiests think religion was crock, they would tell you that you will go to heaven when you die, and that a supernatural creator put you here.

Also, you are equating what you see as a religious tradition (And once again, marriage was not a catholic invention) with equal rights. Weather you see civil partnership as 'pretty much the same' as marriage or not is irrelevant. Straight people are allowed get married, so gay people should be allowed to get married.

(To be honest, this civil partnership lark is like saying that black people should not be allowed to have jobs, they should have something that is referred to as special-black-employment, it's the same as a job, it's just, you know, for black people.)

Gay marriage

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