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Gay marriage

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  • #122
    Acacia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,816 ✭✭✭Acacia


    jill_valentine wrote: »

    Hmm, maybe I've gayed up without realising it?

    Damn Katy Perry.

    Must be all those 'lesbian messages' in 'I Kissed a Girl'. ;):p


  • #123
    Danimalito
    Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭Danimalito


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    No, that sounds about right.

    Anyway, I can't afford the gay toll I'd have to pay to enjoy all the awesomeness of being gay. As much as I'd like to spend my every waking hour lollling around having sex with other gays and consuming resources, which is all gay people apparently do all day, those straight people marriage incentives are just too tempting.

    I mean, if the government is going to go to all the trouble of renting my womb via tax break, I'd best keep up my end of the bargain. It's my duty as a citizen to pump out as many taxpayers as I can before my ovaries fall out.

    Noooo.. dont mind the evertempting tax breaks of being hetero-married. You're dead on when it comes to gheys and lesbos, havin sex and enjoying life all the time, god damn them. I hate them :p

    Now if only we could get some tax breaks for lesbos and the fellas who wouldn't mind shacking up with a pair of them.. hmm... I'll bring it up next time i'm goin for a pint with the local TD


  • #124
    LolaDub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭LolaDub


    No organisation or state will legalise something they view as wrong.

    Also i think some people are viewing the church as the angry mob wielding pitchforks to put down the 'sinners'. Everybody in a church is a sinner, they only differ in sins. The church is promoting the idea now of hate the sin not the sinner, they don't hate gay people ad they are welcome in the church community but until homosexuality is shown to the church and state as being right then gay marriage will not be on the agenda.


  • #125
    Carturo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭Carturo


    Fozzie Bear wrote: »
    No problem with Gay marriage. I have a gay brother and friends and they don't all have acid for blood or act all Ghey in front of ya as your eating your cornflakes in the morning! No idea why people (apart from religious nutjobs) have such issues with them to be honest. Live and let live.....


    Why are people who factor religion into their beliefs on the subject (afterall, marraige is a religious ceremony) deemed nutjobs?


  • #126
    Cunny-Funt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Cunny-Funt


    Because they are.


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  • #127
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    Carturo wrote: »
    Why are people who factor religion into their beliefs on the subject (afterall, marraige is a religious ceremony) deemed nutjobs?

    Religious..nutjob..

    goes hand in hand.


  • #128
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Cunny-Funt wrote: »
    Its people like you that is the reason divorce was only legalised over here in 1995. **** religion and it needs to be removed from politics entirely.

    Well, then you have made yourself clear that you are in clear opposition to me. Religion and the practice thereof is a legal right for myself and for others, and I can't see it disappearing too quickly. However, I tolerate your opinion nonetheless.

    As for the ban on divorce, that isn't based really on a Christian doctrine, in the Biblical text divorce is permissible in the case of infidelity / adultery. As such it raises questions to whether that was as true to the Biblical text as it is made out to be by people like you.

    However, I think secularism has brought far greater harm to Ireland than religion will. Obviously that is from my own biased POV. Religious people are always going to be in this country, it's the choice of the general people whether or not they will at least consider their views when making decisions. After all if Ireland is a true democracy, ultimately all people should be listened to.


  • #129
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Cunny-Funt wrote: »
    Because they are.
    That's not fair - and I'm agnostic. Some people have religious beliefs, leave them to it.


  • #130
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Carturo wrote: »
    Why are people who factor religion into their beliefs on the subject (afterall, marraige is a religious ceremony) deemed nutjobs?

    Well, they are deemed nutjobs because well having the courage and conviction to believe in a higher power, and to serve both God and society is highly unpopular in a modern materialistic age. The life that God has called for us (in this context I'm referring to Christianity) seems to be in opposition to the lives that many people lead thus leading them to conflict with the beliefs of other people. I'm okay with this, I'm used to it. :)


  • #131
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Cunny-Funt wrote: »
    logic. The same logic that says its healthier to have two parents raise a kid over a single parent. But gay couples should have the choice. I disagree that the state should say no. (As long as they are capable of course)
    Logic?

    Worst. Answer. Ever.

    If you're going to make a statement at least have some kind of idea of why you're saying it.

    There is absolutely nothing to suggest that it's healthier to have a male and female as parents over same sex couples.


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  • #132
    Cunny-Funt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Cunny-Funt


    Jakkass wrote: »
    However, I tolerate your opinion nonetheless.

    Yeah cause its 2008 and you have to. Pity its not 200 years ago says you where you could punish me for stating logic. eh?
    Jakkass wrote: »
    As for the ban on divorce, that isn't based really on a Christian doctrine, in the Biblical text divorce is permissible in the case of infidelity / adultery. As such it raises questions to whether that was as true to the Biblical text as it is made out to be by people like you.

    Religions just interpret/edits their texts to whatever way suits them at the time. **** religion.
    Jakkass wrote: »
    Religious people are always going to be in this country, it's the choice of the general people whether or not they will at least consider their views when making decisions. After all if Ireland is a true democracy, ultimately all people should be listened to.
    Depends on if their how ****ing insane their views are tbh. And in fairness. Peoples religious views should not be forced on everyone else, democracy or not.

    Its up to the religious people to play by their rules, not force them on everyone else.


  • #133
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Well, they are deemed nutjobs because well having the courage and conviction to believe in a higher power
    Sorry Jakkass, this is just a voicing of my opinion, but I don't see anything courageous about it. In fact, to me it appears like escaping from reality rather than facing up to it. That's someone's choice, not dissing it, but it is how it comes across to me.


  • #134
    Cunny-Funt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Cunny-Funt


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Logic?

    There is absolutely nothing to suggest that it's healthier to have a male and female as parents over same sex couples.

    Believe that if you want, but as I said I'm not against it, and would vote for their right too.
    Jakkass wrote: »
    Well, they are deemed nutjobs because well having the courage and conviction to believe in a higher power, and to serve both God and society is highly unpopular in a modern materialistic age. The life that God has called for us (in this context I'm referring to Christianity) seems to be in opposition to the lives that many people lead thus leading them to conflict with the beliefs of other people. I'm okay with this, I'm used to it. :)

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHA


  • #135
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Logic?

    Worst. Answer. Ever.

    If you're going to make a statement at least have some kind of idea of why you're saying it.

    There is absolutely nothing to suggest that it's healthier to have a male and female as parents over same sex couples.
    It's more the ideal that a kid would be raised by a member of each gender, but I agree: not necessarily the "correct" way. That's just something we've been societally and culturally conditioned to believe.


  • #136
    Fighting Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    Yes, and if anyone thinks otherwise they might as well kill themselves.


  • #137
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    Meanwhile, the previously cited Bitney Spears had her 55 hour marriage no problem. Whether you approve or disapprove of that particular wedding doesn't matter, she could do it. It's not up to me or you to decide who has gotten married properly. That's their business, and it in no way impacts any marrying I might get up to in years to come.

    I clearly view that kind of attitude as a problem as well. I understand the view of where you are coming from, but I don't agree with you that we shouldn't defend family values. If we keep that attitude for other societal issues that could have ethical implications we could have a lot of issues in the future because people didn't step in. That's just my view anyhow.
    Dudess wrote: »
    Sorry Jakkass, this is just a voicing of my opinion, but I don't see anything courageous about it. In fact, to me it appears like escaping from reality rather than facing up to it. That's someone's choice, not dissing it, but it is how it comes across to me.

    Sure feel free it is a forum after all. Opinions will be voiced, and opinions will be heard. By courageous in that statement, I do feel it is courageous to step out into a world with such vocal criticism of how you intend to live your life. If I choose to regard everything in life, from the special to the mundane as being in some way sacred or in some way being a divine creation, those are my beliefs. In recent years in my life (mind you I have only been a Christian officially for 2 years) I have found increasing criticism for my views, and many other Christians and people of faith of any religion such as Islam although to a lesser extent than Christianity have been challenged rather heavily. It does take courage to stand up for your beliefs even when unpopular. As for your views, you are entitled to them, and to be honest Dudess, as long as anyones views are put forward in a certain manner, they are always acceptable to me.


  • #138
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Well, they are deemed nutjobs because well having the courage and conviction to believe in a higher power, and to serve both God and society is highly unpopular in a modern materialistic age. The life that God has called for us (in this context I'm referring to Christianity) seems to be in opposition to the lives that many people lead thus leading them to conflict with the beliefs of other people. I'm okay with this, I'm used to it. :)

    I'm not saying I agree with the wholesale broadsiding of religious types as nutjobs, but you have to understand, to a non-believer religion doesn't make any sense at all. Religious types have to think according to what they've been told, by God etc, rather than by looking at it objectively. You can't change somebody's mind about something they think is sacred, and that, to me, is unreasonable.

    To then try and impose something that is not reasonable onto people that might not even believe in the same god, never mind the same rules... well, that's why people think of religious types as nutjobs.


  • #139
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Sure feel free it is a forum after all. Opinions will be voiced, and opinions will be heard. By courageous in that statement, I do feel it is courageous to step out into a world with such vocal criticism of how you intend to live your life. If I choose to regard everything in life, from the special to the mundane as being in some way sacred or in some way being a divine creation, those are my beliefs. In recent years in my life (mind you I have only been a Christian officially for 2 years) I have found increasing criticism for my views, and many other Christians and people of faith of any religion such as Islam although to a lesser extent than Christianity have been challenged rather heavily. It does take courage to stand up for your beliefs even when unpopular. As for your views, you are entitled to them, and to be honest Dudess, as long as anyones views are put forward in a certain manner, they are always acceptable to me.
    Well it is of course courageous to stand up and say you're a christian - I mean, even on this thread you're getting a bit of a lambasting for it which is dreadfully unfair considering it's not as if you're acting like a Paisley-esque loon. Unfortunately all believers tend to get lumped in with the likes of him.

    I thought you meant it was courageous simply to believe in God though...


  • #140
    LolaDub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭LolaDub


    Dudess wrote: »
    Sorry Jakkass, this is just a voicing of my opinion, but I don't see anything courageous about it. In fact, to me it appears like escaping from reality rather than facing up to it. That's someone's choice, not dissing it, but it is how it comes across to me.

    I think what jakkass is trying to say that in todays modern world having faith, believing in God, religion, attending church etc are not exactly popular things and can be classed as 'uncool'. There is a fear about coming clean as it were about faith because of the ridicule that some that is shown to some people when they mention their faith. I go to mass every week, it doesn't make me a weirdo, it doesn't mean my faith is up to ridicule for the world and its mother to p!ss all over and it doesn't give me the right to look down on anyone else either. Some people who attend church are there for the wrong reasons, some people view the church as being something its not. The church represents the joy and the love believed to come through God, sadly a lot of people who have attended church only learned of the church as a place of piosity, judgement and doom.


  • #141
    Cunny-Funt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Cunny-Funt


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    To then try and impose something that is not reasonable onto people that might not even believe in the same god, never mind the same rules... well, that's why people think of religious types as nutjobs.

    Yes, keep your religious laws and values to your own religious selves. They have no place in the laws of a country.


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  • #142
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    I'm not saying I agree with the wholesale broadsiding of religious types as nutjobs, but you have to understand, to a non-believer religion doesn't make any sense at all. Religious types have to think according to what they've been told, by God etc, rather than by looking at it objectively. You can't change somebody's mind about something they think is sacred, and that, to me, is unreasonable.

    To then try and impose something that is not reasonable onto people that might not even believe in the same god, never mind the same rules... well, that's why people think of religious types as nutjobs.

    Jill, I'm not suggesting that everyone should change their views to suggest that everything is sacred. I'm thankful for everything in my life, but I don't insist that everyone view life the way I do. Religion mightn't make sense to you, I wish more people would seek out an explanation as not to make preconceptions about religious believers, and what they actually believe. Then again that is only a wish really.
    LolaDub wrote: »
    I think what jakkass is trying to say that in todays modern world having faith, believing in God, religion, attending church etc are not exactly popular things and can be classed as 'uncool'. There is a fear about coming clean as it were about faith because of the ridicule that some that is shown to some people when they mention their faith. I go to mass every week, it doesn't make me a weirdo, it doesn't mean my faith is up to ridicule for the world and its mother to p!ss all over and it doesn't give me the right to look down on anyone else either. Some people who attend church are there for the wrong reasons, some people view the church as being something its not. The church represents the joy and the love believed to come through God, sadly a lot of people who have attended church only learned of the church as a place of piosity, judgement and doom.

    They aren't percieved as cool. However that is irrespective, I don't follow Christ because it is cool or fashionable, it's because of the sacrifice that He made for me, and because it has made me into a better person than I ever could have imagined. Whether you believe that or not is another matter, but I'll leave you to discern that much for yourself. :) As for people who have had bad experiences with the Church (any church) I can only apologise for them not showing the light and the message of the Gospel to you.
    Dudess wrote: »
    Well it is of course courageous to stand up and say you're a christian - I mean, even on this thread you're getting a bit of a lambasting for it which is dreadfully unfair considering it's not as if you're acting like a Paisley-esque loon. Unfortunately all believers tend to get lumped in with the likes of him.

    I thought you meant it was courageous simply to believe in God though...

    Look people are going to view me in a certain way. I can either take it badly or take it well. I prefer to take it well :D If they are going to lump me in with the worst of the worst, let them at it.


  • #143
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Cunny-Funt wrote: »
    Yes, keep your religious laws and values to your own religious selves. They have no place in the laws of a country.
    That depends on whether you want to remove believers from the democratic system or not. If not, their votes will be always influenced by their beliefs. If God is core to their lives, He won't just be removed at the voting booth.


  • #144
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    GirlInterrupted wrote: »
    To deprive people of rights because of their sexuality is as heinous to me as depriving people of rights because of their race.

    I forgot to say how much I agree with this earlier.


  • #145
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Jakkass wrote: »
    That depends on whether you want to remove believers from the democratic system or not. If not, their votes will be always influenced by their beliefs. If God is core to their lives, He won't just be removed at the voting booth.

    That's fair enough, but I just don't understand how banning gay marriages helps the Latter Day Saints, say, or any of the other lobby groups that ran anti Prop 8 campaigns. If it was an issue that would directly impact their living circumstances then, by all means, vote religiously, but it wasn't.

    The Prop 8 thing just bothers the hell out of me because it had nothing to do with them. It wasn't their lives, it wasn't their wedding, it wasn't their lovers. But they still decided that Their Personal Views > Other People's Happiness. They decided that it was their place to make the rules for a bunch of strangers' relationships. That's just beyond my comprehension.


  • #146
    Overature
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Overature


    its just wrong...... no two ways about it


  • #147
    HalloweenJack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,439 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Let them get married. They are people the same as you and me after all.


  • #148
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Overature wrote: »
    its just wrong...... no two ways about it
    LOL - elaboration?


  • #149
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    If you can't offer a reason why you think like that, you might as well have posted about lettuce.


  • #150
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Well lettuce IS wrong - no two ways about it. Tastes hideous!


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  • #151
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Dudess wrote: »
    Well lettuce IS wrong - no two ways about it. Tastes hideous!

    Damn you!!

    Was about to post that


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