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Gay marriage

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  • #92
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    CreepingDeath wrote: »
    Normal marriages are worth investing by the state to keep the population going and bring children up in healthy normal balanced environments.

    Once again, does this mean we are going to forbid the marriage of people who don't want children, people who are sterile and old people?

    If your reason really is that you just think gay people are weird and you don't want to treat them like proper human beings you can just say it, it's the internet.


  • #93
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    I'll be back to this later when I'm steaming drunk :D


  • #94
    Danimalito
    Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭Danimalito


    Caoimhín wrote: »
    You do know that real lesbians dont look like the girls in the adult movies?

    Umm there are plenty of good looking ones, try the George's some night for some good quality perving. That said, my one lesbian mate is built like a truck and i'm sure can kick my 6'3" 14 stone arse anytime (she's lovely though)


  • #95
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Mairt wrote: »
    Oh, your fvcked. Once she gets her claws into someone she'll try her best to beat you into submission.
    LOL :D
    Actually that was in a past life... :)


  • #96
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    CreepingDeath wrote: »
    I'm not paying for a lifestyle choice which has absolutely no benefit to Irish society other than the needs of those two people. It's worthless to Irish society in general.

    Society provides rights to people because they are fundamental human rights, not because they're useful.

    You must think we're living in some nightmarish facist state rather than a modern democracy.

    You've also ignored my point about infertile couples which is probably because its absolutely devastating to your argument.


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  • #97
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Danimalito wrote: »
    Umm there are plenty of good looking ones, try the George's some night for some good quality perving.

    If there's any way of agreeing with this without being massively patronising, yeah, I was in the George a few weeks ago and was rather impressed by the talent on all sides. Good show by all comers, bravo.

    Hmm, maybe I've gayed up without realising it?

    Damn Katy Perry.


  • #98
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Yeah, CreepingDeath, you're kind of going for a weird Logan's Run people-farming thing which I really don't think is what the marriage benefits are for.


  • #99
    Nerin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,523 ✭✭✭✭Nerin


    You hear that Meg? Guys can marry each other now. So, that's pretty much about it for you. Game over


  • #100
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    I would fully support wedlock and the right to adopt children for homos.
    Its 2008, not 1908.
    Everyone deserves the full oppertunity to have a family and be happy.


  • #101
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    CreepingDeath wrote: »
    Just dismissing my argument doesn't really make it disappear.
    I don't want my tax money being wasted..

    Well, theres a lot more been spent on other things than Gay marriage.
    CreepingDeath wrote: »
    Normal marriages are worth investing by the state to keep the population going and bring children up in healthy normal balanced environments...

    So in fact its nothing to do with money, you just think its abnormal.
    CreepingDeath wrote: »
    I'm not paying for a lifestyle choice which has absolutely no benefit to Irish society other than the needs of those two people. It's worthless to Irish society in general.

    Again, theres far more useless articles in Irish society than gay couples. Amanda Brunker, The Indo, the Green party......


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  • #102
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    I'd like to abolish Amanda Brunker. Can we get California in on it?


  • #103
    Danimalito
    Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭Danimalito


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    If there's any way of agreeing with this without being massively patronising, yeah, I was in the George a few weeks ago and was rather impressed by the talent on all sides. Good show by all comers, bravo.

    Hmm, maybe I've gayed up without realising it?

    Damn Katy Perry.

    God bless that Katy, turning even the most god-fearing church-going women to the dark side. Damn catchy tune, gotta give that to her.

    You may have gayed up, but as long as that sapphic love is shared with another man (i.e. me) it's totally ok*. Just sayin.

    * this may not be the official position of the catholic church though


  • #104
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    snyper wrote: »
    I would fully support wedlock and the right to adopt children for homos.
    Its 2008, not 1908.
    Everyone deserves the full oppertunity to have a family and be happy.

    Then the question should be raised what is a family? See if we change the notions of marriage, we are ultimately going to change the notions of what a family is.

    Your second point is about progression, and I can kind of understand why you are frustrated about this. However when an issue affects the way that many people are going to live their lives and the lives that children will be raised in, that is an issue that transcends progression. It affects the children being adopted quite heavily, if they don't have access to their biological parents that is.

    We must explore the possibility perhaps, but we must also make sure that we can see there are no adverse effects first. I personally think 'marriage' and adoption is too far.


  • #105
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Nodin wrote: »


    You seem to have the wrong topic for that one.

    Gaybies is a myth, btw.


    What made you think I was referring to the sexuality of those raised with gay parents?


  • #106
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine



    You may have gayed up, but as long as that sapphic love is shared with another man (i.e. me) it's totally ok*. Just sayin.

    * this may not be the official position of the catholic church though

    No, that sounds about right.

    Anyway, I can't afford the gay toll I'd have to pay to enjoy all the awesomeness of being gay. As much as I'd like to spend my every waking hour lollling around having sex with other gays and consuming resources, which is all gay people apparently do all day, those straight people marriage incentives are just too tempting.

    I mean, if the government is going to go to all the trouble of renting my womb via tax break, I'd best keep up my end of the bargain. It's my duty as a citizen to pump out as many taxpayers as I can before my ovaries fall out.


  • #107
    CreepingDeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    Zillah wrote: »
    Society provides rights to people because they are fundamental human rights, not because they're useful.

    You still haven't heard what I said.
    I'm not against gay marriage, I'm just against the possibility of taxpayers having to pay any potential money towards it. Guarantee that and I'm good.

    Whether that's widow/widowers benefits, or meaning that non-nationals can marry and become Irish citizens with all the benefits attached.

    I begrudge a cent of my money towards what I see as a what one of the previous posters said was a mockery of marriage.
    Zillah wrote: »
    You've also ignored my point about infertile couples which is probably because its absolutely devastating to your argument.

    Hardly...
    The state isn't going to give a fertility test before marriage, even then fertile couples may not want kids.
    Heterosexuality is natural.
    Homosexuality is harmless enough in society in general, but that doesn't mean it deserves the same recognition in marriage.

    Gay marriage is a joke. That's the truth of it.
    There isn't really a family there, and the roles are completely different.


  • #108
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    I think we should let gays marry. Infact i think we should do it soon.

    Weddings cost a lot of money. Imagine if we open the flood gates tomorrow. Retail we'll receive more money due to wedding gifts and such. Small businesses that cater to weddings will have increase. Hotels as well.

    Give gays their wedding. If tax becomes a problem, we can just shaft someone in the next budget.


  • #109
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Marriage is only a pce of paper.
    A family is within the hearts and minds of a group of ppl


  • #110
    rainbow kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Then the question should be raised what is a family? See if we change the notions of marriage, we are ultimately going to change the notions of what a family is.

    There are already many kinds of family, not every family now is a mother, father and 2.4 children with the parents married and the children born inside wedlock.

    This is well worth a read btw.


  • #111
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    live and let live


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  • #112
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    snyper wrote: »
    Marriage is only a pce of paper.
    A family is within the hearts and minds of a group of ppl

    That attitude is precisely what the people who voted for Proposition 8 in California were afraid of I guess. Marriage is much more than a piece of paper, although this is a popular view nowadays unfortunately. The attitude that you are speaking of is why adultery is so rampant, amongst other things. Marriage is important it's about a commitment to honour and love your spouse. It's a commitment, not a piece of paper. As they used to say: A puppy is for life, not just for Christmas. If that attitude was applied to mere pets :p think about how much more seriously we should take marriage. A family is what keeps this country running, I wish the government would take family values more seriously.
    rainbow kirby wrote: »
    There are already many kinds of family, not every family now is a mother, father and 2.4 children with the parents married and the children born inside wedlock.

    This is well worth a read btw.

    Thank you for the link I will consult it. However I don't think we can truly know of the results of what LGBT adoption will bring unless we can see what it has caused. It will take us generations to see this and to make a proper analysis. As I said before this is relatively unchartered territory. I honestly do not think it is worth the risk. That might sound biased from me as a heterosexual, if so sobeit. I care about society at large as well.


  • #113
    Cunny-Funt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Cunny-Funt


    While I'm not a fan of marriage either I think teh gheys should have as much of a choice to do so as everyone else. & its only a matter of time.

    I'm also of the opinion that its a bit selfish on the part of a gay couple to want to raise kids (and no I'm not retarded enough to think that it'll make the kids gay, just that its healthier to have a female mother and male father)

    But I think they should have the right to make that choice themselves, same as single parent.
    Jakkass wrote: »
    That attitude is precisely what the people who voted for Proposition 8 in California were afraid of I guess. Marriage is much more than a piece of paper, although this is a popular view nowadays unfortunately. The attitude that you are speaking of is why adultery is so rampant, amongst other things. Marriage is important it's about a commitment to honour and love your spouse. It's a commitment, not a piece of paper. As they used to say: A puppy is for life, not just for Christmas. If that attitude was applied to mere pets :p think about how much more seriously we should take marriage. A family is what keeps this country running, I wish the government would take family values more seriously.


    Its people like you that is the reason divorce was only legalised over here in 1995. **** religion and it needs to be removed from politics entirely.


  • #114
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Cunny-Funt wrote: »
    just that its healthier to have a female mother and male father

    Says who?


  • #115
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Says who?

    oh how I loathe answering questions like this..
    invitation to attack from the do-gooders-love-all tools.


    logic says it.


  • #116
    ninty9er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    Domo230 wrote: »
    Homosexuals should be allowed to get married and adopt kids.

    Completely agree except on the wording. I'd replace marriage with civil marriage, as marriage is defined as the union between a man and woman.

    I'd endorse it as it's essentially marriage in all but name. There are plenty of dysfunctional families out there with unloved kids headed by a man and a woman. People seem to use man and woman = best parenting practice....2 parents and a close extended family is best practice, but many convnetional families fall short on this. I don't see why gay people should be allowed to be just as dysfunctional.


  • #117
    rainbow kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Cunny-Funt wrote: »
    Its people like you that is the reason divorce was only legalised over here in 1995. **** religion and it needs to be removed from politics entirely.

    +1


  • #118
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Having a view outside of the established order doesn't make someone a do-gooder.


  • #119
    Cunny-Funt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Cunny-Funt


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Says who?

    logic. The same logic that says its healthier to have two parents raise a kid over a single parent. But gay couples should have the choice. I disagree that the state should say no. (As long as they are capable of course)


  • #120
    CreepingDeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    Domo230 wrote: »
    Homosexuals should be allowed to get married and adopt kids.

    Adopt kids ? Only if there isn't a suitable heterosexual couple available.
    Children need a good psychological balance of male and female role models.

    I know 3 girls who have grown up without fathers (early deaths).
    They all had similar traits, lack of confidence, clearly their personalities were skewed to be more girly, anxiety problems etc.

    I agree an orphan is better in a family than in an orphanage, but homosexual couples should be ranked lower than heterosexual couples.


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  • #121
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Marriage is important it's about a commitment to honour and love your spouse. It's a commitment, not a piece of paper.

    Gay people lobbying for marriage obviously don't think it's just a piece of paper, or there wouldn't be nearly the same degree of hurt about it. They want to be able to make the same insitutionalised commitment, and aren't being offered the chance.

    Marriage is only a piece of paper when it's not your marriage. Of course it doesn't mean anything from a third person perspective - you're neither one of the people involved. It only means anything to those two people.


    Meanwhile, the previously cited Bitney Spears had her 55 hour marriage no problem. Whether you approve or disapprove of that particular wedding doesn't matter, she could do it. It's not up to me or you to decide who has gotten married properly. That's their business, and it in no way impacts any marrying I might get up to in years to come.


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