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2,500 dead from drug abuse/OD in Ireland from '98-'05, does anyone care?

  • 06-11-2008 06:05PM
    #1
    gurramok
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    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/1106/breaking59.htm

    Shocking numbers, 4th highest in Europe.

    75% of deaths due in part to heroin in their bodies.:eek:

    Should we have a memorial to the victims or something to highlight the dangers of drug abuse to the next generation?
    Almost 2,500 people died from drug abuse and overdosing in the State between 1998 and 2005 - the fourth highest rate in Europe - new research revealed today.

    Over the eight-year period 2,442 people died directly or indirectly from drug use, according to a report by the Health Research Board (HRB). Heroin played a part in around three-quarters of these deaths, while cocaine was a factor in 100 deaths, the research found.

    A total of 1,553 deaths were directly linked to the consumption of drugs, either alone or with other substances (poisoning), and 889 deaths were indirectly attributed to drug use (non-poisoning).

    The research showed the numbers who died either directly or indirectly from drug use rose from 242 in 1998 to 400 in 2005.


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  • #2
    MagicMarker
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    Nope.


  • #3
    Prof.Badass
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    Pity, most of them could have been prevented. Guess some people never learn (and i'm not talking about the drug users).


  • #4
    seamus
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    **** 'em.

    Bloody junkies.


  • #5
    Gummy Panda
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    nope. don't care


  • #6
    oztots
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    You obviously do, you sound angry about it.

    I know, theres not half enough of them dead. I feel your pain.


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  • #7
    Pighead
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    seamus wrote: »
    **** 'em.

    Bloody junkies.
    :eek: Pighead is actually stunned that these words have come from kind, reasonable, gentle, intelligent Seamus' account.

    Does anybody know if Degsy is housesitting for lovely seamus this week?


  • #8
    CO19
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    gurramok wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/1106/breaking59.htm

    Should we have a memorial to the victims or something to highlight the dangers of drug abuse to the next generation?

    No they chose to take the drugs why should they get a memorial to doing something stupid.


  • #9
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    that's it?
    2500 people in seven/eight years. How many have died from alcohol abuse? car crashes? stabbing themselves in the throat with a fork while trying to eat spaghetti?


  • #10
    Run_to_da_hills
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    gurramok wrote: »


    Should we have a memorial to the victims or something to highlight the dangers of drug abuse to the next generation?
    No need to, we already have, its called the "Spire" in O"Connel St. :D


  • #11
    ScumLord
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    I wonder how many of those deaths where caused be "dirty drugs" rather than an overdose of the intended drug?


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  • #12
    Zangetsu
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    In all fairness, they're shooting up dirty heroin and mixing it with Deco's latest batch of "quality cocaine". Bah... Fools tbh...

    I don't like the way they say DRUG DEATHS!!!!! No no, its BAD gear and BAD coke thats doing the damage, not your friendly e or bag 'o grass...

    I'd love to see a full breakdown of what causes each death. I'd bet over 98% involved heroine and mixing coke with other drugs...

    "A study has found that 1,775 people died as a result of problem alcohol abuse between 1995 and 2004."

    Same time frame and only a few less deaths. That isn't including road accidents...


  • #13
    Mr. Presentable
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    I don't care about them. In many ways I'm sorry there's not more of them gone. The only "illness" they suffer from is selfishness. They are a burden on the health services at a time when other services (the cuts today, eg) for people who are victims of actual illness are being curtailed.


  • #14
    gurramok
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    CO19 wrote: »
    No they chose to take the drugs why should they get a memorial to doing something stupid.

    For prevention purposes. Educate kids to tell them what will happen to them in their lives if they start take heroin.

    Get 'em young and society will be better as a result i believe.

    The huge financial cost of health programmes and the financial/emotional cost of crime where 80% of all crime is supposed to be drug related.


  • #15
    _blank_
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    Horrible junkball bastards, imo.

    Glad they died.

    We should kill the rest of them.

    EVERYONE knows the dangers of heroin, so anyone who takes it is a retard and deserves everything they get, including death.


  • #16
    Pighead
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    Des wrote: »
    Horrible junkball bastards, imo.

    Glad they died.

    We should kill the rest of them.

    EVERYONE knows the dangers of heroin, so anyone who takes it is a retard and deserves everything they get, including death.
    Here here.

    Well said Des, now go and have a cigarette in celebration of your excellent post.


  • #17
    _blank_
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    Pighead wrote: »
    Here here.

    Well said Des, now go and have a cigarette in celebration of your excellent post.

    Yeah, I smoke

    If I get cancer I'll deserve it.


  • #18
    Pighead
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    Des wrote: »
    Yeah, I smoke

    If I get cancer I'll deserve it.
    Did you just call yourself a retard? Low self esteem is never attractive!


  • #19
    gurramok
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    Des wrote: »
    Yeah, I smoke

    If I get cancer I'll deserve it.

    And if you naievely take your first hard drug at 12 thinking its the latest cool thing, do you deserve a lifetime of misery(and misery on your family) and then an early death for that?

    My pity is for kids who took up drugs especially the hard drugs and they did not understand what they were getting into. Any adult starting first time has zero sympathy of course.


  • #20
    fcukedvirgin
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    Interesting post

    Do I care? No not really. There are enough people getting sick and suffering things totally outside their control who get sweet FA from the government so why on earth should we bother getting all upset about some idiots who decide to get off their face?

    Fair play to anyone on drugs though who decides to get help..they deserve our full support but I have no time or sympathy for drug users of any kind


  • #21
    SheroN
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    fcukedvirgin wrote: »
    Interesting post

    Fair play to anyone on drugs though who decides to get help..they deserve our full support but I have no time or sympathy for drug users of any kind

    Is someone who is on drugs getting help not a drug user any more? You say fair play to them on one hand but on the other you say you have no time or sympathy for them?


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  • #22
    Nehaxak
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    I find heroin heads just mostly pathetic.
    Thing that kind of annoys me a little though, with those stats it's clear that Heroin causes the most deaths yet the deaths caused by Cocain get the most media coverage probably due to famous people using/abusing/dieing.


  • #23
    ScumLord
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    gurramok wrote: »
    For prevention purposes. Educate kids to tell them what will happen to them in their lives if they start take heroin.

    Get 'em young and society will be better as a result i believe.
    The problem is the kids really at risk of becoming heroin addicts aren't the kind of kids that would pay much attention to teachers telling them right from wrong. I'm not saying their a lost cause just lost in the system. From birth these kids are doomed unless they completely abandon the community they grow up in and become the runt of the litter in the eyes of all their peers.

    It's not as easy as just saying they should know better, kids learn from their environment we can't really blame them for turning out the way they do.


  • #24
    Bottle_of_Smoke
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    Memorial might be a good idea, for family members etc. And as a message. Two guys I know started smoking heroin a few years back. Both from decent areas too.

    Should say illegal drugs or that figure is far too high


  • #25
    fcukedvirgin
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    SheroN wrote: »
    Is someone who is on drugs getting help not a drug user any more? You say fair play to them on one hand but on the other you say you have no time or sympathy for them?


    I have no sympathy for drug users of any kind be they the hardened herion addicts or those people who take it at the weekend. Mind you if one decides they want to kick the habit we should support them fully.


  • #26
    Prof.Badass
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    fcukedvirgin wrote: »
    I have no sympathy for drug users of any kind be they the hardened herion addicts or those people who take it at the weekend. Mind you if one decides they want to kick the habit we should support them fully.

    I wouldn't go that far, but there's better things we could be doing with our taxpayers money than chasing after a few druggies. Throwing them in jail does them no favours (and costs us loads).

    In switzerland they give out prescription heroin to those that have tried and failed with methadone. They have 1000 people on the program and afaia none of them have died.

    Proper unbiased education (un-biased means no lies!) and proper help for those who actually want it, would go a lot further than today's pathetic efforts.


  • #27
    bondgirl
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    Drug users should be given the help they need to come off the drugs, everyone makes mistakes and bad decisions, they should be allowed a second chance to turn their lives around


  • #28
    SV
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    "does anyone care?"


    nah.


  • #29
    Nodin
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    gurramok wrote: »
    2,500 dead from drug abuse/OD in Ireland from '98-'05, does anyone care?

    Only about the good looking middle class famous ones.

    O, and Pippa O'Connor, when she falls off a horse. That was rough. So rough it was in the news for three days. Its not drugs....not on her part anyway.....


  • #30
    Nodin
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    Des wrote: »
    Yeah, I smoke

    If I get cancer I'll deserve it.

    Though you might end up like me and not get it in your lungs. As a 60 a day man, I felt somewhat betrayed.


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  • #31
    phantom_lord
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    that's not many, how many died on the roads, alcohol, or smoking? and sur' drugs are way more fun than all of those!


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