25,000 people protesting outside the Dail today...

stepbar · 22-10-2008 07:14PM #1

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1022/budgethealth.html

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1022/fees.html

First the pensioners, then the students... what's the country coming to

Down with that sort of thing

D_murph · 22-10-2008 07:16PM

stepbar wrote:

Down with that sort of thing

careful now

genericgoon · 22-10-2008 07:16PM

stepbar wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1022/budgethealth.html

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1022/fees.html

First the pensioners, then the students... what's the country coming to

Down with that sort of thing

Hmmmmm the two social groups who have the most free time to faff about with.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 22-10-2008 07:18PM

All this protesting mallarky is nonsense, we should retaliate fairly. They raise taxes, we raze their houses. Problem solved.

marco murphy · 22-10-2008 07:20PM

Was great craic

Anyoen know why there were so many cans of bavaria floating around?
(Speaking of floating around, never seen so many flying condoms)

The Master · 22-10-2008 07:25PM

Perestroika wrote: »

never seen so many flying condoms

Bloody pensioners!

marco murphy · 22-10-2008 07:49PM

The Master wrote: »

Bloody pensioners!

Lol.

''We're never too old''

dr.bollocko · 22-10-2008 07:50PM

Are those UCD gobsheens up to their gobshittery again?

Heyes · 22-10-2008 07:57PM

I say fair play to them. The only way this government will respond is if the public actually say what they think.

Too often are we all too easy to sit back and let the government do what they want. Its about time some people stand up for what they believe and dont except what is been thrown at them.

Cunny-Funt · 22-10-2008 08:04PM

Indeed.

Hell I woulda been there myself if I wasn't feckin sick

marcsignal · 22-10-2008 08:17PM

What has 10'000 legs and smells of piss?

Beamish · 22-10-2008 08:29PM

stepbar wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1022/budgethealth.html

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1022/fees.html

First the pensioners, then the students...

I'd say that smelt bad.

Soap dogers, moth balls and wee.

irish_bob · 22-10-2008 08:35PM

Heyes wrote: »

I say fair play to them. The only way this government will respond is if the public actually say what they think.

Too often are we all too easy to sit back and let the government do what they want. Its about time some people stand up for what they believe and dont except what is been thrown at them.

what they believe in is getting thier hands on every penny they can and spending as little of thier own money as they can , the kids of theese pensioners ( most of them in thier 40,s ) dont want to see thier inherritance spent on pills and doctors either off course

JC 2K3 · 22-10-2008 08:37PM

I wonder how many of these students voted in the GE...

22-10-2008 08:43PM

They raised the fees to 1,500. How many people will not go into third level education because of this? If they bring in the full fees, this number will only increase exponentially. As much as some people hate students, you have to wonder if this will hit the student-driven towns/cities like Athlone, Galway, Maynooth, hell even Dublin to a certain extent.

I was at the protest in Galway. Despite torential downpours, maybe close to a thousand people turned up. It was fantastic.

Funny how people complain about the students being lazy, but it's only the students who are getting up and fighting for this.

Pighead · 22-10-2008 08:43PM

Now Pigheads all for the right to protest but not when people are trying to geta bit of shuteye. Was awoken with a start earlier on by a bunch of students chanting rubbish slogans at the top of their whiney voices. These fcukers certainly weren't students of literature judging by their gawd awful chanting

"No way, we won't pay" How long did it take them to come up with that? Pathetic. It's like something out of an Ann and Barry book. They should have come up with something with a bit more verve and bite like " We're not going to pay, we're not, no way"

Heyes · 22-10-2008 08:47PM

irish_bob wrote: »

what they believe in is getting thier hands on every penny they can and spending as little of thier own money as they can , the kids of theese pensioners ( most of them in thier 40,s ) dont want to see thier inherritance spent on pills and doctors either off course

Sorry but what a pile of crap.

SoWatchaWant · 22-10-2008 10:03PM

I'm in TCD, and I would have gone, but it would have been a waste of time. So I made use of the time and studied. Course the Arts students have nothing better to do, so let them at it.

phantom_lord · 22-10-2008 10:19PM

Iarnród Éireann says up to 1,000 pensioners travelled on early morning trains from Cork and Kerry to Dublin for the rally.

A spokesman said the 6.30am and 7.30am trains from Cork were especially busy.

An extra train was laid on from Cork at 8.20am to cope with the expected demand by pensioners to get to Dublin in time for the protest outside the Dáil.

All five reserved carriages on the 7.30am train were fully booked by yesterday evening mainly by people using their travel passes.

so they put on an extra train so a bunch of people who spend their days watching countdown could travel for free to complain about not getting free health care?

phantom_lord · 22-10-2008 10:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They raised the fees to 1,500. How many people will not go into third level education because of this? .

i doubt anyone is gonna skip college just cause reg fees went up a few hundred,

Run_to_da_hills · 22-10-2008 11:19PM

Iarnród Éireann says up to 1,000 pensioners travelled on early morning trains from Cork and Kerry to Dublin for the rally.

I bet they didn't make a single penny out of them thanks to C J Haughy.

is_that_so · 22-10-2008 11:24PM

irish_bob wrote: »

what they believe in is getting thier hands on every penny they can and spending as little of thier own money as they can , the kids of theese pensioners ( most of them in thier 40,s ) dont want to see thier inherritance spent on pills and doctors either off course

Got to hand it to you, you don't disappoint.

eirebhoy · 22-10-2008 11:30PM

Didn't think that many people had family members or friends over 70 earning €700 a week...

Caoimhín · 22-10-2008 11:48PM

Right, im seriously fooked off over this.

Am i mistaken about this but is it not a fact that 95% of the current over 70 yrs old recipients of medical cardholders will retain their cards?

Is the the new budget regulations not to stop millionaires or very wealthy people availing of free medical care? Imagine Tony O Reilly using his medical card to avail of free doctors visits or medicine?

Im Not having a go at the hard working people who are now retired and deserve free medical treatment. My issue is with the people who made a bloody fortune their working lives and now believe the rest of society owes them a favour through free medical care.

The people marching today seem to have to missed the point. If through means testing you are found to be unable to pay for medical care then their state should pay.

This is just more of the fookin grab all/i deserve it mentality that has this country fooked.
What really pisses me off is when the over 60's say "we created the Celtic Tiger". Did you fook, you dug spuds. It was the US multi-nationals and an international credit bubble combined with EU funds that led to this pissy wet rock of a country being able to build crap roads and shoity prefab over-priced houses and a cosy civil service.

Edit, i understand that people who have worked hard and earned good money and paid more than their fair share of tax should be entitled to be looked after, but considering our society is in a bit of a pickle, maybe the mé fein thinking should stop. Maybe FF should stop supporting their builder/developer buddies and look after our children and old people.

//sorry, rant over.//

22-10-2008 11:49PM

They raised the fees to 1,500. How many people will not go into third level education because of this?

If you want an education, you'll take out a student loan or work through college. There have been fees in the UK for years now and people get on with it without bitching and moaning. Maybe fees will weed out the many idiots who go to college because it's free/cheap and to put off getting a job. Only a handful of students from my course in Trinity ever bothered turning up to lectures and loads of people failed the exams through lack of work. When you're paying to be there, you appreciate your education a hell of a lot more. It's normal of course - if my college had been a free ride, I'd have probably spent it getting wasted as well.

andrew · 22-10-2008 11:54PM

I was wondering why the bus was full of old biddies this morning. Eejits the lot of 'em.

somethingwitty · 23-10-2008 12:01AM

My brother and I are both going to UCD next year, that's 3000 euro before we even start college. We both have to live in Dublin for it, thats about another 14000 plus. I don't think we can get much of a grant because my parents earn 1000 euro over the limit, yet they Ive heard that they dont take into accont siblings going to college at the same time. Therefore its like 25000 euro from one of my parents to put one of us through college... Basically like a single parent putting their kid through college, except we dont get FULL MAINTAINANCE...
I will ofcourse work through college but how easy do you think it will be to find a job with the way things are at the moment. Ive been trying for 2 months..
I dont want to have to take out a student loan as I dont want to be tied to something like that for the whole way through my 20s. Its pretty depressing to think about that actually. But i want a degree so it will probably have to end up like that.
Ive finally realised life is ****.

pretty-in-pink · 23-10-2008 12:11AM

phantom_lord wrote: »

i doubt anyone is gonna skip college just cause reg fees went up a few hundred,

College is very expensive, as it is, so yeah I reckon a lot of people will just not go. Now the little schnaks who get everything for free....they *might* go, and we can all just sit back and watch as the country implodes.

This budget has been a joke, and the sooner they realise that, and fix it, the better. Not all of us have the time to protest,so at least some people are going out there and doing it.

The level at which the powers that be decide on who gets free education, or who doesn't is a joke. If they want to bump fees, they will need to do something to chane the rules of entitlement. 1.5k a year, before all the other expenses is a lot. What if your job relocated you, and then looked for 1.5k, just cause you need to have your name put on some paper, and put in a drawer, and have a copy of the same details ut into a file on a computer?

Biffo and his bungle headed buddys have tried to shaft the lowest tax payers, forgetting that pensioners vote in their masses, and thst students will leave college, and get jobs. Whether they choose them here, or not depends on how they get treated here.

The education system has always worked pretty well here, why try and change it to mirror the education system in countries that have a poorer system?

She Devil · 23-10-2008 12:12AM

somethingwitty wrote: »

My brother and I are both going to UCD next year, that's 3000 euro before we even start college. We both have to live in Dublin for it, thats about another 14000 plus. I don't think we can get much of a grant because my parents earn 1000 euro over the limit, yet they Ive heard that they dont take into accont siblings going to college at the same time. Therefore its like 25000 euro from one of my parents to put one of us through college... Basically like a single parent putting their kid through college, except we dont get FULL MAINTAINANCE...
I will ofcourse work through college but how easy do you think it will be to find a job with the way things are at the moment. Ive been trying for 2 months..
I dont want to have to take out a student loan as I dont want to be tied to something like that for the whole way through my 20s. Its pretty depressing to think about that actually. But i want a degree so it will probably have to end up like that.
Ive finally realised life is ****.

Oh, it was always the way, the thick fcuker gets to be a priest, and the smart one gets to go to college! So what is it to be Dougal, what category do you fall into?

Crash · 23-10-2008 12:14AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Funny how people complain about the students being lazy, but it's only the students who are getting up and fighting for this.

Students are lazy. They haven't gotten up off their asses to protest the fall in the quality of university education, the underfunding crisis, ANY of these things, no matter how many attempts were made to highlight these issues directly.

Mention anything that might hit em in the pocket? You get 10,000 of them out. Don't believe for a second that student activism is alive and well, its pure and utter greed and little else. There are a small number who genuinely give a **** about the state of the third level education system in Ireland, and the rest of em just want their degree and to get the **** out.

phantom_lord · 23-10-2008 12:37AM

pretty-in-pink wrote: »

College is very expensive, as it is, so yeah I reckon a lot of people will just not go.

over an extra 600 or w/e it is? i really really doubt it. they could just quit smoking, cut back drinking or pick up a weekend job for a while to cover it. a few extra hundred for a college education is absolutely nothing.

pretty-in-pink wrote: »

This budget has been a joke

how so?

25,000 people protesting outside the Dail today...

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