why do people think My Bloody Valentine are good

musicmonky · 05-09-2008 10:47AM #1

After suffering moments of these tw Ats at the electric picnic.

it REALLY is just noise. why not put your head in a washing machine with stones in it . Words cannot express how crap they are.
So £$%AS$€%Q64AGHú96W$%W$£^Z...éfasds4563afdsa-^£4&`'|-eer
is what they are and what they sound like. Non sensical.

Loudness doesn't not = good. Cause if it did Ian Paisley would be the Gandhi.

according to this they play at around 132 db
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Bloody_Valentine

132db seriously dangerous
http://www.visordown.com/forum/forummessages/mps/utn/31204/v/1/cp/1/

S.I.R · 05-09-2008 10:51AM

same with nirvana, metallica, etc, except they dont have the retarded fan base they do or should i say did...

Irirsh people currently have a Very poor taste in music... U2 is bad enough but be'jasus its terrable.

though they are a cult'esk band... meh, i dont care for them as a band let alone humans.

SV · 05-09-2008 11:49AM

Why do people think they have any right to say what people should like or not?

People enjoy what they want.
If you don't like it then get the f**k over it.

Ye're probably the same type of people that go onto youtube videos of bands they don't like so they can comment on how 'crap these guys are'

John · 05-09-2008 12:11PM

musicmonky wrote: »

Loudness doesn't not = good.

That's true but luckily MBV make some of the most beautiful and enjoyable music that works really well at high volumes. You don't like them, grand but you have to accept the fact that they broke the mould at the time, have lasted the test of time and have had a huge influence on hundreds of bands.

musicmonky · 05-09-2008 12:55PM

ClioV6 wrote: »

Why do people think they have any right to say what people should like or not?

People enjoy what they want.
If you don't like it then get the f**k over it.

Ye're probably the same type of people that go onto youtube videos of bands they don't like so they can comment on how 'crap these guys are'

LOL. I was walking past them at the picnic and thought maybe War of the Worlds was happening. I just coundn't believe the amount of people that where into it. Thought it was a acquired taste. But it seems not.
I'll just listen to Napalm Death to do the ironing to now.

Its was the loudness that got to me. They are a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Or maybe the nuts that listen to it.
Over cooked and over done. Burnt music. So I'll send it back.
My opinion thats all.

lordgoat · 05-09-2008 01:27PM

musicmonky wrote: »

LOL. I was walking past them at the picnic and thought maybe War of the Worlds was happening. I just coundn't believe the amount of people that where into it. Thought it was a acquired taste. But it seems not.
I'll just listen to Napalm Death to do the ironing to now.

Its was the loudness that got to me. They are a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Or maybe the nuts that listen to it.
Over cooked and over done. Burnt music. So I'll send it back.
My opinion thats all.

LOL. People like them as they have sat and listened to them and found something there that they liked. Not walked past a tent at a festival. I walked past a tv before that had <insert any great film/tvshow> on and it was shi-te. Oh and the volume was way too high as well.

musicmonky · 05-09-2008 02:20PM

i could hear them for about 10 minutes walking around . I coundnt avoid hearing them. Would like to see your tv do 132db!

Loud tv is not as loud as a jet engine. BIG difference.
I thought music was about the Range of frequencies.
Prodigy's Firestarter at full volume is awesome and has depth.

I suppose i should lump them with all that crap rave as well with one beat for 4 hours. example Scooter.

Mindless , thoughtless and stupid.

Creamy Goodness · 05-09-2008 02:24PM

get the albums, i find if i see a rock band that i know none of the music they tend to just sound like a wall of noise.

i agree 100% with John though.

yeraulone · 05-09-2008 02:48PM

The guy walks past the tent and hears something for 10 minutes... he must know what he's talking about.

All those "tw Ats" attending every (sold out) MBV gig around the world, must be wrong.

You probably walked past the gig when they were doing their ear destroying feedback thing, in the middle of "You made me realise"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_po0RTKjsC8

Which lasted for 18mins. The other 1.5hrs was amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njqRt7PH-5I

jim o doom · 05-09-2008 02:51PM

musicmonky wrote: »

After suffering moments of these tw Ats at the electric picnic.

it REALLY is just noise. why not put your head in a washing machine with stones in it . Words cannot express how crap they are.
So £$%AS$€%Q64AGHú96W$%W$£^Z...éfasds4563afdsa-^£4&`'|-eer
is what they are and what they sound like. Non sensical.

Loudness doesn't not = good. Cause if it did Ian Paisley would be the Gandhi.

I would say it is because taste in most things is entirely subjective & the question is retarded - I don't even know the band - but the question is ridiculous.

cosmic · 05-09-2008 03:26PM

idiot

Soundman · 05-09-2008 04:26PM

musicmonky wrote: »

according to this they play at around 132 db
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Bloody_Valentine

132db seriously dangerous
http://www.visordown.com/forum/forummessages/mps/utn/31204/v/1/cp/1/

BULL!

Almost every venue and festival have legal Noise Restriction limits that they must adhere to. There is no way that they would have been allowed to reproduce 132dB of noise. Due to temporary threshold shift, after 2 minutes of listening at that level, you would be unable to hear pretty much anything. That is if your ears haven't started bleeding yet.

John · 05-09-2008 05:51PM

They do play that loud (or at the very least louder than any other band I've experienced and I've been to see Sunn O))), Merzbow, Neubauten, etc.). Part of their contract is that they play with no volume restriction or not at all. They were meant to be outdoors at EP but had to be put into a tent to contain some of the sound.

For those who think that MBV are just a load of mush, listen to the albums. Loveless is regarded as a masterpiece not only because the music is brilliant but because it is an example of a perfectly recorded and mastered album. Kevin Shields knows what he's doing when it comes to sound (and a physical feeling of music is what he's striving for).

musicmonky · 05-09-2008 11:01PM

John wrote: »

For those who think that MBV are just a load of mush, listen to the albums. Loveless is regarded as a masterpiece not only because the music is brilliant but because it is an example of a perfectly recorded and mastered album. Kevin Shields knows what he's doing when it comes to sound (and a physical feeling of music is what he's striving for).

John , you have sold me a bit on them now.
It think the question should have been ,
why spoil decent music with
complete and utter distorstion.

Im not a music snob by any means. I have not heard of MBV before that (ok, im a numpty then) and it was a bad introduction. After listening to there stuff on from the album. Not the live stuff. I get the smashing pumpkins,bits of the Cocteau Twins, and the awesome joy divison . A good well defined sound. Of its time , but good.

I didnt get this live at all. I would have listened more if I did. Its a shame they wish to blow the hell out of people, i think thats my point.

Its true to say the question is a daft question as all music is subjective. So i suppose i asked the wrong question. As I cant believe people dont like radiohead. :eek:

after a few listens of Loveless. fav song so far "I only said" then "sometimes"

John · 05-09-2008 11:34PM

The thing about Loveless is that it gets better the louder you play it (no joke, on low volumes it's a nice collection of songs, at higher volumes it's transcendental) which is why I think they blow the **** out of the audience live. Personally, I think it works well. I saw them in London and they handed out earplugs to everyone (I brought my own). The volume was too much with no earplugs but sounded great once you plugged up but could still feel the waves of sound vibrating your body. Who needs drugs?

TheBigLebowski · 06-09-2008 09:35PM

yeraulone wrote: »

The guy walks past the tent and hears something for 10 minutes... he must know what he's talking about.

All those "tw Ats" attending every (sold out) MBV gig around the world, must be wrong.

You probably walked past the gig when they were doing their ear destroying feedback thing, in the middle of "You made me realise"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_po0RTKjsC8

Which lasted for 18mins. The other 1.5hrs was amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njqRt7PH-5I

My hole. I was at this gig from the start and thought it was sh!te. The 18 mins of sh!te was just the final nail in the coffin for me and I left. The amount of people leaving during that 18 mins was unbelievable (although very understandable). Does it not occur to the band that people are leaving because they don't want to hear this sh!te and that maybe they should cut it short? Anyway, utter sh!te is my verdict.

chris d · 06-09-2008 09:52PM

I couldnt get near the tent for them. Was walking down from the mainstage area, but the whole hill was full of people all the way down. And then the mainstage crowd starting walking that way too, quite freaked me at the time. So i ran away and got some sausage and mash instead.

My only regret of the weekend.

John · 07-09-2008 01:54AM

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

My hole. I was at this gig from the start and thought it was sh!te. The 18 mins of sh!te was just the final nail in the coffin for me and I left. The amount of people leaving during that 18 mins was unbelievable (although very understandable). Does it not occur to the band that people are leaving because they don't want to hear this sh!te and that maybe they should cut it short? Anyway, utter sh!te is my verdict.

What about the people who stayed? When I saw them in London loads of people left during "You Made Me Realise" but they were all outside talking about how great the performance was. It might have just been too much for them, I like chocolate but I'd be hard pushed to eat a My Bloody Valentine of chocolate.

MrJones · 07-09-2008 11:06PM

I was there and really enjoyed it. I am a fan though.
I thought it would be louder coz i heard alot about how loud they are.
Pity they didnt play sometimes, prob my fav song ever!!
I will admit that i found the last 15 mins a bit much.
I was surprised how dedicated they are to it though, they stood up there and played it as hard as that for 90 mins..class.

Miguel_Sanchez · 08-09-2008 11:39AM

MrJones wrote: »

I was there and really enjoyed it. I am a fan though.
I thought it would be louder coz i heard alot about how loud they are.
Pity they didnt play sometimes, prob my fav song ever!!
I will admit that i found the last 15 mins a bit much.
I was surprised how dedicated they are to it though, they stood up there and played it as hard as that for 90 mins..class.

I don't think they've played Sometimes live since they reformed.

I'm a huge MBV fan and I left during the last bit too. Although when I saw them in Manchester they seemed much louder and I stayed for the full half hour that they played it and loved it - don't think I'd stay through it all too often though.

Earplugs are essential for an MBV gig though. At the Picnic there were a couple of Aussies beside me up the front who talked about not needing earplugs because they go to loads of festivals - by the end of the first song they were gone!

TheBigLebowski · 08-09-2008 08:26PM

Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »

At the Picnic there were a couple of Aussies beside me up the front who talked about not needing earplugs because they go to loads of festivals - by the end of the first song they were gone!

I'm going to take a guess and say they left, not because it was too loud, but because it was shlte.

John · 09-09-2008 02:24AM

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

I'm going to take a guess and say they left, not because it was too loud, but because it was shlte.

Did you ask them and present the data garnered from the survey as a bar chart? No? Then your hyposthesis has not been proven. See my post above about the London crowd.

TheBigLebowski · 09-09-2008 05:01AM

John wrote: »

Did you ask them and present the data garnered from the survey as a bar chart? No? Then your hyposthesis has not been proven. See my post above about the London crowd.

I don't think you understand the word 'guess'. I never claimed it was a proven fact, just my best guess.

Here you go:

Guess
v. guessed, guess·ing, guess·es
v.tr.
1.
a. To predict (a result or an event) without sufficient information.
b. To assume, presume, or assert (a fact) without sufficient information.
c. to arrive at a correct conclusion about by conjecture, chance, or intuition

You're welcome.

Call Me Jimmy · 09-09-2008 05:09AM

I've only heard one of their songs, it's in lost in translation and is pretty damn class. The distortion suits it perfect. I dunno about live though.

John · 09-09-2008 09:22AM

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

I don't think you understand the word 'guess'. I never claimed it was a proven fact, just my best guess.

Here you go:

Guess
v. guessed, guess·ing, guess·es
v.tr.
1.
a. To predict (a result or an event) without sufficient information.
b. To assume, presume, or assert (a fact) without sufficient information.
c. to arrive at a correct conclusion about by conjecture, chance, or intuition

You're welcome.

I do know what the word guess means and I also know what the word hypothesis means:

hy·poth·e·sis (hī-pŏth'ĭ-sĭs) pronunciation
n., pl. -ses (-sēz').

1. A tentative explanation for an observation, phenomenon, or scientific problem that can be tested by further investigation.
2. Something taken to be true for the purpose of argument or investigation; an assumption.
3. The antecedent of a conditional statement.

So you see, I never implied that you were stating a fact but indeed that you were hazarding a guess (I know you know what that means) and I was suggesting that perhaps with a little, tiny, teeny-weeny smidgen of thought you might realise that an exceptionally loud noise might be too much for people with earplugs who are otherwise enjoying the gig.

Miguel_Sanchez · 09-09-2008 10:23AM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

I've only heard one of their songs, it's in lost in translation and is pretty damn class. The distortion suits it perfect. I dunno about live though.

That's one of, if not the, quietest song that they have and I don't think they play it live at all. It is brilliant though.

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

I'm going to take a guess and say they left, not because it was too loud, but because it was shlte.

Touche Sir - your Wildean wit astounds me! Although I'd say you're completely wrong considering how they talked about how much they were looking forward to seeing MBV before they came on so they were clearly fans, they just completely underestimated how loud they were going to be.

the fnj · 09-09-2008 01:13PM

Some people like peanut butter, when I was a kid I didn't like it, now I think it's ok but some people still don't like it. The only people that are wrong are those that have never tried peanut butter but somehow still have an opinion on it.

Instead of criticising them based on hanging around outside the tent for their show, I would like to think any discerning music fan would know better than to do this but that's a different issue, maybe you should go back a few steps buy or borrow Loveless listen to it a couple of times and if you don't like it/ don't get it that's fine.

Personally I think Loveless is amazing, I don't really care for Isn't Anything but I often think that's because I had such high expectations for it after being so moved by Loveless. Saw them twice this summer and I love the wall of sound section. I was really sceptical/ worried about it after seeing youtube footage of people holding their ears but when you're in it the intensity is overwhelming.

However what is not a matter of opinion or taste is their huge influence on many bands and genres, you should at least consider that before calling them ****e. You mentioned Radiohead earlier, try and guess which 1991 shoegaze album had a big influence on the Radiohead sound?

TheBigLebowski · 09-09-2008 07:37PM

John wrote: »

I was suggesting that perhaps with a little, tiny, teeny-weeny smidgen of thought you might realise that an exceptionally loud noise might be too much for people with earplugs who are otherwise enjoying the gig.

Indeed that is one theory, but I, having been at the gig, was not concerned by the level of noise at all to be honest. I actually didn't think it was all that loud. I was more concerned with the quality of the noise and the 20 minutes or so of feedback crap I was hearing. I left along with hunderds of others who were not enjoying it. Taking all these things into consideration, I guessed that was why they left too.

Were you at the gig?

Miguel_Sanchez · 10-09-2008 11:40AM

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

Indeed that is one theory, but I, having been at the gig, was not concerned by the level of noise at all to be honest. I actually didn't think it was all that loud. I was more concerned with the quality of the noise and the 20 minutes or so of feedback crap I was hearing. I left along with hunderds of others who were not enjoying it. Taking all these things into consideration, I guessed that was why they left too.

Well if you're still talking about the Aussies beside me then they had left by the end of the first song so it wasn't the feedback that got to them, just the volume.

Anyway - this discussion is futile. You don't like MBV, other people do. Some people left the gig because it was too loud, some left because they didn't like it, some left because their bladders were full, some left because they realised they'd left the gas on, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Let's all just agree that The Kaiser Chiefs are ****e and be done with it.

Potcher · 10-09-2008 12:05PM

I only seen 4 songs as I wanted a good place in the crowd for The sex pistols. Have to say I really enjoyed them.

JLemmon · 10-09-2008 12:42PM

John wrote: »

That's true but luckily MBV make some of the most beautiful and enjoyable music that works really well at high volumes. You don't like them, grand but you have to accept the fact that they broke the mould at the time, have lasted the test of time and have had a huge influence on hundreds of bands.

Completely agree with you John.
The reason the rest of you guys HEAR noise is because your not listening!!! There is difference you know!

why do people think My Bloody Valentine are good

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