NTSA & Olympic Games

bunny shooter · 23-07-2008 10:40PM #1

How many NTSA shooters will be competing in China ?

rrpc · 23-07-2008 10:52PM

bunny shooter wrote: »

How many NTSA shooters will be competing in China ?

None. We had five shooters reach minimum qualifying score in the most recent Olympic cycle, but because of the new quota system we didn't get a quota place and no wild card entries either.

We haven't had anyone at the Olympics since Alan Lewis got a wild card for Sydney 2000.

Funny thing is that it's probably easier to win an Olympic medal in shooting then to win a quota place. To get a quota place you must win a World Cup event where you are up against an unlimited number of top shooters, whereas an Olympic Medal is won against a maximum of two from each country.

Countries like Germany, USA and most of the former Soviet States would have far more than two top shooters in their teams.

You can get a quota place if you're beaten in a World Cup by someone who has already got a quota place. That's why so many people compete in World Cups. The Munich World Cup regularly has over 140 entrants in Prone Rifle alone and has to run two elimination rounds before there's even a qualification round!

patbundy · 23-07-2008 10:55PM

rrpc thats a pity,lets hope we get some there next time around

bunny shooter · 23-07-2008 11:01PM

rrpc wrote: »

None. We had five shooters reach minimum qualifying score in the most recent Olympic cycle, but because of the new quota system we didn't get a quota place and no wild card entries either.

We haven't had anyone at the Olympics since Alan Lewis got a wild card for Sydney 2000.

Funny thing is that it's probably easier to win an Olympic medal in shooting then to win a quota place. To get a quota place you must win a World Cup event where you are up against an unlimited number of top shooters, whereas an Olympic Medal is won against a maximum of two from each country.

Countries like Germany, USA and most of the former Soviet States would have far more than two top shooters in their teams.

Is the NTSA the organisation that you'd have to be a member of to go to the olympics to shoot rifle ?

bunny shooter · 23-07-2008 11:04PM

Sparks wrote: »

........You'd have to ask the shotgun groups (the IFA, the NARGC, the ICPSA) as to why shotguns are still on the restriction though - they would have met with the DoJ as well on the matter.

Probably more of the domain of the practical boys ?

rrpc · 23-07-2008 11:10PM

bunny shooter wrote: »

Is the NTSA the organisation that you'd have to be a member of to go to the olympics to shoot rifle ?

Yes. You have to be entered in a World Cup by the NTSA based on selection criteria and then when you've won that

, the country gets a quota place which is then allocated by the NTSA not necessarily to the person who won it. :eek:

Sorry, I meant to add that a World championship medal will also get you a place, but there's not so many of them.

Sparks · 23-07-2008 11:11PM

bunny shooter wrote: »

Is the NTSA the organisation that you'd have to be a member of to go to the olympics to shoot rifle ?

Yes.

rrpc · 23-07-2008 11:14PM

While we're on the subject of the Olympic Games, has anyone had a look at the website yet?

It appears that athletes (yet again) are the least important part of the games seeing as there is as yet no link on the website to see who's representing who.

bunny shooter · 23-07-2008 11:14PM

Can you tell me how many members there are in the NTSA ?

rrpc · 23-07-2008 11:20PM

bunny shooter wrote: »

Can you tell me how many members there are in the NTSA ?

I couldn't tell you exectly because the clubs are members of the NTSA and their members are members if you follow me.

Ten clubs, some of them with over 50 members, plus the college clubs with around 300 to 400 each.

A good few

bunny shooter · 23-07-2008 11:21PM

Just trying to work out my chances of making the 2012 event as it's close to home

It wasn't me! · 23-07-2008 11:22PM

DURC has over 500 alone on the books.

rrpc · 23-07-2008 11:23PM

It wasn't me! wrote: »

DURC has over 500 alone on the books.

There you go then...

Hard luck bunny, I'm afraid it's going to be the other alternative....

Hard work.

bunny shooter · 23-07-2008 11:27PM

Googled NTSA and found web site. Hard work, thought you couldn't use four letter words here

rrpc · 23-07-2008 11:29PM

Speaking of hard work, Derek Burnett who is going to Beijing has attended 50 international events in the last ten years: 30 World Cups, 2 olympic games and a bunch of World and European championships.

These have been all over the world in Asia, America, Europe, Australasia and South America.

rrpc · 23-07-2008 11:34PM

bunny shooter wrote: »

Googled NTSA and found web site.

Enjoy

Hard work, thought you couldn't use four letter words here

I was surprised it didn't come up with asterisks myself..

IRLConor · 23-07-2008 11:40PM

Promoted to a thread of its own since it was kinda taking over the other one.

patbundy · 23-07-2008 11:41PM

rrpc wrote: »

Speaking of hard work, Derek Burnett who is going to Beijing has attended 50 international events in the last ten years: 30 World Cups, 2 olympic games and a bunch of World and European championships.

These have been all over the world in Asia, America, Europe, Australasia and South America.

i hope derek isnt paying for all that traveling himself

bunny shooter · 23-07-2008 11:45PM

IRLConor wrote: »

Promoted to a thread of its own since it was kinda taking over the other one.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ! I hijacked a thread on Ivan :eek:

Conor came to the rescue .......................... :P

Sparks · 24-07-2008 02:30AM

patbundy wrote: »

i hope derek isnt paying for all that traveling himself

Mostly he did up until the World Championships team gold medal in '02, and after that carding grants helped a bit; but even the top carding grant doesn't pay for everything. And it doesn't pay for the volunteer efforts of others like Kevin Kilty who support Derek in his training.
Basicly if Derek brings home a medal (and I think he's already en route to the staging camp), it'll be the best medal ever won on a cost-benefit basis...

Sparks · 24-07-2008 02:57AM

Moved to Target Shooting.

rrpc · 24-07-2008 08:41AM

Bunny and anyone else who's interested you can go here and see all the Irish shooters who have competed in ISSF sanctioned events up to Olympic Games level and their results.

I don't think its complete, as in it covers the last thirteen or fourteen years, but you get an idea of who's been involved and how they've done.

Interestingly, Derek Burnett turns out to be cross-dominant. Maybe there's hope for me yet

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